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I went through the same shit that he has gone through.
UPDATE to 1.5 years and Still Shudown
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Mr. Black said:872 is quite high. Good shitWhat did your other levels normalize at?(free test, prolactin, estradiol..) Also would you mind detailing your complete recovery process from weeks 1- x?
The process of recovery included a combination of 5000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri), 150 IU's HMG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED. Gradually, we decreased the dosages to 1500 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri), 150 iu's HMG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED. This was over the course of approximately 16 weeks. In addition, my condition was far more severe than the normal HTPA suppression encountered post cycle. There is usually no reason to use HMG or high and prolonged dosages of HCG.
I don't have my blood work results in front of me but everything is back to normal.
Jenetic
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JKurz1 said:
Blood work should be performed before begining the cycle in order to establish baseline values.
During cycle, use an aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin, femara and arimidex when using aromatizing AAS and an anti prolactin such as dostinex or bromocriptine when using nandrolones. Minimize these levels before starting PCT to avoid uncessary side effects and delay in recovery.
1000-1500 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri), 50-100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mg Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 2-3 weeks followed by blood work to evaluate recovery.
Jenetic
Hi there Jenetic. I read your recovery story after 1.5 years and I think that's great. Since you've been going through this for a while now , perhaps you can help someone w/ a similar problem......My name is John Interian and I am 31 years old. I found you on the web after doing a search for doctors that have treated steroid induced hypogonadism. I saw that you were successful in reversing the condition w/out having to resort to using lifelong TRT or HRT w/ many patients. You're the only doctor that I have found thus far that seems to specialize in this. I truly need your help if at all possible.
My story is as follows. Back around Oct. of 2005 I naively did 2 cycles back to back of Deca Durabolin (100 & 200) to help a bad pec tear. I was doing 1cc a week for the 1st month and then 2cc's a week for the remainder. My last shot was on Dec.23 of 2005. I waited about 2 weeks and then I did 1cc of HCG for 10 days. That was it. I did no Clomid or Nolva. Before this I have never done a cycle of any anabolic steroid.
As you could guess a few weeks later I noticed I had no libido and had trouble sestaining erections. I immedietly went to my primary physician and had bloodwork done. Bloodwork showed that I had VERY low test levels (a reading of 108) and low LH and FSH . I also had a high red blood cell count. I was told to wait about 8 weeks for a follow up.
Soon I started to feel very lethargic, moody, and I found that I would fatigue very easily following any type of physical exertion.
About a month after my last HCG shot I began to take Tomaxophine Citrate to try and help raise my test. I knew it was late in the game, but I thought it was worth a try.I was taking around 40mg 1st 2 weeks, and tapered down to 30mg, 20mg, etc. That lasted around 8 weeks. I'm not sure if it's a side of the Tamaxo , but I was getting hot flashes, blurry vision, and now 2 weeks since I've taken it I still feel dizzy and light headed following any physical exertion. I also feel slower mentally and physically. I truly do not know if this is a symptom of low test or a side from the Tomaxo.
I have a follow up blood test tommorrow w/ my primary physician and an endo appointment on May 1st.
Although I have these appointments I fear that my doctors may offer little help as far as helping to restart my own natural test. My primary physician flat out admitted that he had no experience w/ steroid induced hypogonadism. We'll see what happens w/ my endo, but more than likely he may resort to lifelong TRT or HRT and I am trying to avoid this if possible.
What do you suggest if bloodwork comes back w/ negative feedback ? Should I just give my body more time ? It's been months and I've only been feeling worse. This has been affecting my entire life, both personal and at work. I want to feel better , but fear the risk of long term TRT.
Do you have any advice or references to good endo's in my area (Miami, Florida) that could treat my particular situation? Perhaps some resources or leads ?
I see that you've found a good doctor who is open minded and willing to work w/ you on this. I've had a VERY hard time even finding anyone in Florida who is even remotely knowledgeable w/ helping someone w/ steroid induced hypogonadism get their own test back up and running. What state do you live in ? I was thinking that maybe I could contact your doctor and see if maybe he would be willing to help me or work w/ my doctor. Please get back to me and let me know what you think. I appreciate your time. Thankyou.
-John
My story is as follows. Back around Oct. of 2005 I naively did 2 cycles back to back of Deca Durabolin (100 & 200) to help a bad pec tear. I was doing 1cc a week for the 1st month and then 2cc's a week for the remainder. My last shot was on Dec.23 of 2005. I waited about 2 weeks and then I did 1cc of HCG for 10 days. That was it. I did no Clomid or Nolva. Before this I have never done a cycle of any anabolic steroid.
As you could guess a few weeks later I noticed I had no libido and had trouble sestaining erections. I immedietly went to my primary physician and had bloodwork done. Bloodwork showed that I had VERY low test levels (a reading of 108) and low LH and FSH . I also had a high red blood cell count. I was told to wait about 8 weeks for a follow up.
Soon I started to feel very lethargic, moody, and I found that I would fatigue very easily following any type of physical exertion.
About a month after my last HCG shot I began to take Tomaxophine Citrate to try and help raise my test. I knew it was late in the game, but I thought it was worth a try.I was taking around 40mg 1st 2 weeks, and tapered down to 30mg, 20mg, etc. That lasted around 8 weeks. I'm not sure if it's a side of the Tamaxo , but I was getting hot flashes, blurry vision, and now 2 weeks since I've taken it I still feel dizzy and light headed following any physical exertion. I also feel slower mentally and physically. I truly do not know if this is a symptom of low test or a side from the Tomaxo.
I have a follow up blood test tommorrow w/ my primary physician and an endo appointment on May 1st.
Although I have these appointments I fear that my doctors may offer little help as far as helping to restart my own natural test. My primary physician flat out admitted that he had no experience w/ steroid induced hypogonadism. We'll see what happens w/ my endo, but more than likely he may resort to lifelong TRT or HRT and I am trying to avoid this if possible.
What do you suggest if bloodwork comes back w/ negative feedback ? Should I just give my body more time ? It's been months and I've only been feeling worse. This has been affecting my entire life, both personal and at work. I want to feel better , but fear the risk of long term TRT.
Do you have any advice or references to good endo's in my area (Miami, Florida) that could treat my particular situation? Perhaps some resources or leads ?
I see that you've found a good doctor who is open minded and willing to work w/ you on this. I've had a VERY hard time even finding anyone in Florida who is even remotely knowledgeable w/ helping someone w/ steroid induced hypogonadism get their own test back up and running. What state do you live in ? I was thinking that maybe I could contact your doctor and see if maybe he would be willing to help me or work w/ my doctor. Please get back to me and let me know what you think. I appreciate your time. Thankyou.
-John
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Jenetic....brother was that a typo on the 50,000 IU HCG 3x week.?
Not 5,000 ?
Not 5,000 ?
