Ultimate Fighter, Season 2

[Kane Fan]

Well , firstly theyre not "Iron" anymore theyre Steel now - turns out the Excess Iron can poison/OD your Bloodstream and make you sick ... There Canvas Bags filled with everything from Rice>MungBeans>Sand>Stones>SteelShot>SteelBallBearings the movement of the material inside the bag makes for absorbing the shock , and the level of the Filler makes for the Conditioning Level . I personally never go past Steel Shot on any Bodypart except my shins and Forearms .

Fully Filled :
http://www.wle.com/products/tigerBags.html
http://www.wle.com//store/ironskills.html

Do-It-Yourself :
http://www.wle.com//products/m0811.html
http://www.wle.com//products/m0813.html

the First you can Tie to a Wooden Dummy to toughen the Impact beyond the level of Wood , the second can be used alone as a Wallbag for striking at different Levels .

thanks
it is for toughening the striking surfaces of the body or for improving power?

 

[Kane Fan]

I'm not against strikers(I'm one), but I just keep seeing great standup guys neutralized by high-level groud fighters.
Hughes has done it to some skilled boxers.
Franklin, I can't comment on until I've seen more of his fights(I only saw him fight Shamrock).
Liddell's standup was useless against Couture's takedowns in the first fight(Did you see the rematch? I didn't see it)
Arlovski has GREAT hands, but hasn't faced any takedown experts.
Silva definitely proves your point. He's a killer with strikes.(but I don't remember if he's faced any world class ground guys)
CroCop(another of my favorite strikers) eventually got taken down and submitted by Minotauro(world class groundfighter)
Fedor has more than just strikes.
Tito's hands were neutralized by Randy's takedowns.
Overall, I think we agree about great hands plus great takedown defense being a good thing. It's just the mechanics of it that always leaves a standup fighter vulnerable, if the ground guy is good enough.

the problem with your comparison is this
a strike specialist vs a ground specialist isn't any proof at all of striker vs grappler
it dosn't test that
it tests the grapplers take downs and the strikers take down defence
that's the problem with the comparison

 

[Kane Fan]

Yeah, I thoroughly respect well-rounded fighters.
If a guy had all the things you mentioned, barring a glass jaw or stamina issues, I bet he'd be champion for a heck of a long time.

I sure hope so cus I'm sure I don't have a glass jaw and that's how Im' beeing trained...

 

[Djimbe]

thanks
it is for toughening the striking surfaces of the body or for improving power?

Its not really about the SURFACE ....

It toughens the BONES , Ligaments and Tendons moreso than the Skin . the opnly thing that really Toughens the Skin is when you Scrape the bag from side to Side , and get a "Sandpaper" kind of action off of the Canvas . Oh itl happen , especially if you Train when youre Tired , you get Sloppy after a while , but the Skin is of Secondary Concern .

Really , its all about building up Bone and Muscular Density around the Joints and edges of the Bones . Over time they Calcify and thicken , and this makes it POSSIBLE for you to hit HARDER with the same arm without damaging it . At the same time , you develop a better Body Unity and Power .

 

[Kane Fan]

Density is good to
sounds all around good thanks for the link

 

[Djimbe]

Some times fighters do this to get the guy on the ground near their corner. It makes it easier for you to hear your corner and harder for him to hear his. I'm not sure if this is why Huges does it, but it is pretty common practice among the more experienced guys.

I didnt see this before ...

Yeah , I know what youre saying , but Ive seen him do it just to do it b4 . And AWAY from his corner .

 

[Djimbe]

The best fighter would probably have Boxing's punches, Muay Thai's knees and elbows and kicks, Greco + San Shou takedowns and BJJ + Sub Wrestling ground fighting.

Id take San Shous Kicking Game over Muay THai's . Watch the San Shou Vs Muay Thai series - it and the Throws are what keeps giving the Chinese the Advantage over the Thais . Most ppl presuime its JUST the Kuaijiao , but the kicks are even MORE Influential in the deciding of the Matches , wespecially from the Taiji , ansd Xingyi practitioners amongst the Chinese .

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I didnt see this before ...

Yeah , I know what youre saying , but Ive seen him do it just to do it b4 . And AWAY from his corner .

A good example is Quinto Jackson vs. Murillo Bustamante. Quinton carried him across the ring to bring him down near Team Oyama's corner.




-BRR

 

[Djimbe]

yeah , but Quinton =/= Hughes ... I mean , Quinton isnt the one that was talking all that excrement , then cheering when HIS guys were Showboating .

Im nto "Anti Showboating" im Anti-Hypocrite !

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Rashad took it to him! He looked pretty good on his feet, he could have been a little more agressive and followed up on some good shots.
His take down defense looked a little sloppy at times but it worked. The cross face was there all day and instead he opted to reach cross the guy's back instead of ripping his nose off with a forearm.
I did see Rashad get a little stupid and punch Whitehead on the elbows and on top of the head... With tiny 4oz gloves that is a great way to injure your own hand. Specially a guy his size throwing bombs, you can do some serious damage to your own hands by hitting a guy on those body parts.
Pretty good fight though.



-BRR