Ultimate Fighter, Season 2

[ass_face]

Yeah , as soon as I saw that he thought the Invisible Chair was a Joke my ears Perked Up , then when I saw himn using the Iron Bags and doin Chi Gung I was like "Heres their Sleeper !"

Snarling : Yeah , its the elbows . Too bad , thats the ONE rule I wish they would change in Pride , BUT it DOES keep the Fighters ready to go again fast .

If Elbows were legal, many of those tournaments would be impossible to do. Too much bleeding.

 

[theoak01]

^ exactly,ufc is now one fight not tourny style,and for multiple fights you would end up with who got lucky making it to the end not the best fighter. I like pride for what it is and ufc for what it is

 

[megamania500]

Anyone notice that the fights in UFC are starting to be more of stand-up striking, rather than groundwork? Do you think that's because of the evolution of fighting styles starting to learn more about defending against groundfighters? Or do you think that the Powers-That-Be behind the UFC are pushing for more fighters of the stand-up game to add more excitement to the current fights to pull in interest with this new tv audience?

 

[Snypr]

Anyone notice that the fights in UFC are starting to be more of stand-up striking, rather than groundwork? Do you think that's because of the evolution of fighting styles starting to learn more about defending against groundfighters? Or do you think that the Powers-That-Be behind the UFC are pushing for more fighters of the stand-up game to add more excitement to the current fights to pull in interest with this new tv audience?

I'd say the latter. When the UFC started having weight classes and guys were more evenly matched (physically), many people didn't want to watch, including some who had previously been fans; because no one could appreciate the sometimes subtle nature of groundfighting.
I could get excited watching one fighter try to maintain a guard while his opponent attempted to pass it, but to a lot of people, this would be boring.
A lot of people like watching standup.
I guess they want to attract more fans, but I think they shouldn't bring in guys who do 90% stand-up, like some of the newer fighters. An MMA fighter should be well-rounded, and I'm not seeing a lot of that, lately.

 

[Snypr]

A couple of questions I had that I'm sure can be easily answered. One thing I noticed elbows are not allowed, however you are allowed to stomp your opponent? This is not allowed in the UFC correct? Secondly, I noticed almost no blood the entire tournament whereas in the UFC, the mat is usually covered with blood after a few fights. Do the pride fighters have thicker padding over their fists than the UFC?

You can stomp or kick a downed opponent in Pride (you're right, not in the UFC). I can't remember the entire rule, but I think the guy has to be laying face up. Pridefc.com has the rules listed, I believe.
Good question about the gloves; I've never noticed.

 

[Snypr]

Do you think that's because of the evolution of fighting styles starting to learn more about defending against groundfighters?

From what I can tell, to be a striker attempting to defend against ground fighters will eventually prove futile.
If your striking is top-notch, and you have great take down defense, you keep SOME groundfighters at bay while you wear them down with punches, but I think if one guy's ground game matches the level of another guy's standup, the first guy will win.

 

[ass_face]

From what I can tell, to be a striker attempting to defend against ground fighters will eventually prove futile.
If your striking is top-notch, and you have great take down defense, you keep SOME groundfighters at bay while you wear them down with punches, but I think if one guy's ground game matches the level of another guy's standup, the first guy will win.

I am not sure about this... Think about the current Champs:
Hughes ( Ground Fighter)
Franklin (Striker)
Lidell (Striker)
Orlovsky (Striker)

3 out of four are predominantly strikers... I think a striker, who has great ground defense and enough ju jitsu to survive defensively and occasionally submit a guy, is the superior fighter.

Guys are getting so good at defending the ground game and fights are becoming more stand up... Even the best fighters in Pride are standup guys... Silva, CroCop, Fedor. Not to say a submission expert will have no success, but it seems like the top echelon are strikers with great ground defense.

 

[Yarg!]

To counter the dominant strikers in PRIDE, you have the ground fighters there too, like The Nog brothers, and Mario Sperry and anyone else from BTT basically. Renato Sobral from UFC is also a ground wizard.

 

[Kane Fan]

when is Renato Sobral fighting again?
I think of Fedor as a ground guy tho despite his striking abilitites

Djimbe what's the story on iron bags
are they bags of sand?

 

[Yarg!]

I don't know man, he just choked out Sonnen at the last UFC (WHICH SUCKED!) like a week ago, so could be a couple months.