UG vs. Established Labs

[pda321]

Obviously it's YMMV, but in general, how much of a difference is there between the efficacy of steroids from the UG labs vs. the established ones like British Dragon? And when we're talking straight test enth vs. more of a designer steroid, is there a difference in quality?

Incidentally, I was talking to a chem mjr today at my college, who says that in her free time she likes to cook up meth and LSD, and she told me that would be a simple matter to create any number of the various steroidal compounds I showed her. Is it that easy? Or do "impurities" and what not bite you in the balls?

So I guess my question is twofold: 1) established vs. UG labs, 2) safety of home-made stuff. gracias and karma to all who answer.

 

[Mr.X]

Obviously it's YMMV, but in general, how much of a difference is there between the efficacy of steroids from the UG labs vs. the established ones like British Dragon? And when we're talking straight test enth vs. more of a designer steroid, is there a difference in quality?

Incidentally, I was talking to a chem mjr today at my college, who says that in her free time she likes to cook up meth and LSD, and she told me that would be a simple matter to create any number of the various steroidal compounds I showed her. Is it that easy? Or do "impurities" and what not bite you in the balls?

So I guess my question is twofold: 1) established vs. UG labs, 2) safety of home-made stuff. gracias and karma to all who answer.

example #1)
Mr.X's UG lab

I set it up in my mom's basement, spend $4k on powders + supplies and sell it

example #2)
Mr.X's Established labs

I have a semi-real lab, invest about $50k into equipment, have employees and have a real chemist working out formulas

usually #2 is way more trustworthy; as you can tell the #1 type of labs are all over the place now, it's a shame to see all of them providing the same thing over and over.

 

[BOWTECH]

I would stay with companys that have a good rep on the boards. I am always leary of trying something that is new and isn't made by a company with a good reputation. If you stay with British Dragon, GTP etc you should have no problems at all

 

[Lars]

I actually belive in giving some UG`s a chanse..

British Dragon is just the world`s most famous UG lab

There are many ug labs that works fine

IP, BD, BL, TF...

 

[Retabolil2]

example #1)
Mr.X's UG lab

I set it up in my mom's basement, spend $4k on powders + supplies and sell it

example #2)
Mr.X's Established labs

I have a semi-real lab, invest about $50k into equipment, have employees and have a real chemist working out formulas

usually #2 is way more trustworthy; as you can tell the #1 type of labs are all over the place now, it's a shame to see all of them providing the same thing over and over.

I agree. Too many UG labs out there

 

[chefbone]

British Dragon is one of the more "respected" UG labs out there. But it is also a UG lab so keep that in mind. It's good shit, for sure, but Human Grade is always better!!!!!!
I wouldn't recommend using a guy that says he just brewed for the first time. When in doubt, PM a mod and ask for a secure e-mail. The mods on here are good bros!!!!!

 

[asianlover]

with an established lab at least u have a good idea about product quality. many people have used BD and other such labs and can give you their experience. you can expect consistancey with these labs. if you go with a no name lab that no one has ever heard of you dont know what to expect. you dont know the purity or the conditions that it was made in. i think if you get a product from Jonny Gearseller who makes it in his garage and sells it at the local gym you are setting yourself up for problems. i would use a product that the guys on here havent heard of.

 

[needsize]

key is finding a solid UG one, the one I use has actually been around longer than some of the "real" companies like QV

 

[satchboogie]

BD is a huge lab but it doesnt mean that they're 'better' than other UG labs.

the difference between a good lab and a bad one is the quality of powders (which ultimately comes down to the source providing the lab), the preciseness of the doses, and the lab conditions... a small lab can be more clean than a huge lab.. it comes down to how much money is spent and how clean the owner is.

 

[MassiveG300]

the difference between a good lab and a bad one is the quality of powders (which ultimately comes down to the source providing the lab), the preciseness of the doses, and the lab conditions... a small lab can be more clean than a huge lab.. it comes down to how much money is spent and how clean the owner is.

Good post. I would also add the quality of the components ie solvents oil and glassware method of sterilization etc. A pretty PACKAGE doesn't always mean a great product. Storage shipment and moisture ingress all effect the quality or purity of the powders somewhat if someone is running apiecemail operation. I saw photos a few years ago from a major vet company MEX, now out of business, and they were the 10 inch .2 um millipores and they were jet black after being used to filter or clarify batches.
Some UG labs will drop powder oil and excessive BA/BB in a vial bake or autoclave it and label it and boom off it goes.
If anyone remembers the photos of/from that ZENCALL bust a few months ago, the wesson oil, and the jam packed litttel room things were assembled in....well it is clear like MR X said above in type one of a UG lab.
I gave up years ago trying to keep up with every new LABEL out there on the scene made my head spin.

will this shit kill ya? Naw but for some thanks to Uncle Sammy that's all they got...so use common sense and refilter your gear when you can with syringe filters into fresh sterile bottles.
PEACE