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Generic MALE
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if you take orals...and if you take orals without getting bloodwork done...you better take Tylers.
black_stripe1658
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take tylers and alpha lipoic acid for liver protectant
dr0832
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well with var only cycle at 30mg ed. I am planning on taking milk thistle at 1000mg, R-ALA at 800mg, Calcium D-Glucarate at 500mg, and NAC at 600mg a day, QoC10 40mg every day. Will this be good enough to keep my liver healthy? What about if I had to run accutane if the acne becomes bad? Will my liver die? Should I wait until end of pct?
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Spartacus
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you're fools if you believe in this Tyler's snake oil
I can defend my position
and I will mention that awhile back a pharmacist or someone similarily knowledgeable,
took Tyler's to task
not only did he discredit Tyler's "Detoxication Factors",oh and I need to add with
"Phase I and II nutrients",
but he wisely cautioned that using herbal(e.g. milk thistle) and/or other supplemental
"buffers" against a "continious assault" against the liver was largely irrelavent...
I can defend my position
and I will mention that awhile back a pharmacist or someone similarily knowledgeable,
took Tyler's to task
not only did he discredit Tyler's "Detoxication Factors",oh and I need to add with
"Phase I and II nutrients",
but he wisely cautioned that using herbal(e.g. milk thistle) and/or other supplemental
"buffers" against a "continious assault" against the liver was largely irrelavent...
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Spartacus
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well hell,I did this a day ago,but I can't pull up my post
do you have a bottle of "Tyler's" in your posssesion?
get out a fuckin' magnifying glass,and use it in more than one way
E.G. Tyler's has 33.3 mg of "Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract"
say again? isn't is possible that if Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract had any measurable impact on liver function,than there would be more than a microscopic 33.3 mg's?
fuck if I just whipped up a batch of Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract and sold 'me to the public,I then could prepare my next batch of Tyler's w/o cleaning the bowl,because 33.3 mg's is sure as shit gonna be left over in the side of the bowl enough for me to make the claim that's its "in there"..I'll continue
do you have a bottle of "Tyler's" in your posssesion?
get out a fuckin' magnifying glass,and use it in more than one way
E.G. Tyler's has 33.3 mg of "Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract"
say again? isn't is possible that if Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract had any measurable impact on liver function,than there would be more than a microscopic 33.3 mg's?
fuck if I just whipped up a batch of Broccoli Aerial Parts Extract and sold 'me to the public,I then could prepare my next batch of Tyler's w/o cleaning the bowl,because 33.3 mg's is sure as shit gonna be left over in the side of the bowl enough for me to make the claim that's its "in there"..I'll continue
CLOMIDCLOWN
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if you dont take tylers, what sort of perscibed drugs are out there and what is their affect on muscle?
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Spartacus
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well until Dr.JMW can confirm me,
I'm gonna fool around and disect Tyler's for what it is,
starting with the smallest ingredients,because since their amounts comprise such a small percentage of the overall "formula",we need to examine the reason for thier inclusion
exhibit "A";
16.7mg of catalase,an enzyme,I surmise synergistically interacts with the ensuing ingredients
33.3mg(here begins what I refer to as the 33.3mg "phase") Superoxide Dismutase?
well hell when I did a search on that I got a whole lot of hits concerning molecular biophysics and shit like that,so I'll give you that 33.3mg of a molecular component is a lot.
does it matter?
well considering the next ingredient in the heirarchy is "grape seed extract" of which they try to camoflage the amount(which is 3.3mg,not 33.3),by listing it above the "biophysics component"
3.3mg's of grape seed extract?
why include it?
I say again 3.3mg's,am I supposed to believe that a mere 3.3mgs of grape seed extract is the magic ingredient that synegistically pulls all these ingredients together?
I can continue,but I'll clue you in,seems its common practice to list multiple ingredients in a product to better market it's appeal
perhaps then,I should start with the ingredients that compose the bulk of Tyler's
should I?
I'm gonna fool around and disect Tyler's for what it is,
starting with the smallest ingredients,because since their amounts comprise such a small percentage of the overall "formula",we need to examine the reason for thier inclusion
exhibit "A";
16.7mg of catalase,an enzyme,I surmise synergistically interacts with the ensuing ingredients
33.3mg(here begins what I refer to as the 33.3mg "phase") Superoxide Dismutase?
well hell when I did a search on that I got a whole lot of hits concerning molecular biophysics and shit like that,so I'll give you that 33.3mg of a molecular component is a lot.
does it matter?
well considering the next ingredient in the heirarchy is "grape seed extract" of which they try to camoflage the amount(which is 3.3mg,not 33.3),by listing it above the "biophysics component"
3.3mg's of grape seed extract?
why include it?
I say again 3.3mg's,am I supposed to believe that a mere 3.3mgs of grape seed extract is the magic ingredient that synegistically pulls all these ingredients together?
I can continue,but I'll clue you in,seems its common practice to list multiple ingredients in a product to better market it's appeal
perhaps then,I should start with the ingredients that compose the bulk of Tyler's
should I?
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Spartacus
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I haven't gotten to the 66.7mg "phase"
you cut me short
outside of the 6665 IU's of vitamin A,which represents 133% of the RDA(sufficient for my grandmother maybe,but a 17AA assaulted user?)
the measurements of the ingredients are either in mg or mcg.
I'd have to spend some time with mine magnifying glass to appropriately rank them.
I can say with certainy that calcium D-glucorate and milk thistle are not the main ingredients of Tyler's
66.7 mgs of CDG
and,get this
16.7mgs of milk thistle
WTF?
am I not swallowing enough milk thistle as it is?
I need that 16.7mgs
you cut me short
outside of the 6665 IU's of vitamin A,which represents 133% of the RDA(sufficient for my grandmother maybe,but a 17AA assaulted user?)
the measurements of the ingredients are either in mg or mcg.
I'd have to spend some time with mine magnifying glass to appropriately rank them.
I can say with certainy that calcium D-glucorate and milk thistle are not the main ingredients of Tyler's
66.7 mgs of CDG
and,get this
16.7mgs of milk thistle
WTF?
am I not swallowing enough milk thistle as it is?
I need that 16.7mgs
dr0832
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DIVISION you can buy those two ingredients separately for a lot cheaper, especially in powdered form and although some of the CDG products may be low quality its simply absurd to say all competeing products are low quality, like AF usually do. I am not putting them down, but its mostly cheaper because they use less fancy packaging, and is a powder.
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Spartacus
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bump
Acela
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good thread ressurection. people throw Tyler's name around alot and the product has interested me of late. i am running 600-800 mgs of milk thistle currently. this dosage range was recommended by several people on this sight, so like you said, unless there is something synergistic about Tyler's ingredients, its probably not that good.
Bump for more opinions on this. thanks SPARTACUS
Bump for more opinions on this. thanks SPARTACUS
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Spartacus
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I'd buy some bulk and/or powder calcium d-glucarate
and swallow plenty of r-ala daily too
maybe get some good quality bulk milk thistle too
and swallow plenty of r-ala daily too
maybe get some good quality bulk milk thistle too
daveyboy2345
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beyond a century for bulk powders
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Spartacus
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yupdaveyboy2345 said:
truckdaddy
Banned
what is everyone using these days
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Spartacus
Guest
crap
overpriced multi-vitamen with a small amounts of high profile liver protectants in the ingredient list
you know the game
put a buncha list in the ingredients for marketing
even if that small amt shit is in there
of what quality?
I made a thread years ago
I bought a bottle and had to employ a magnifying glass to list the ingredients and amounts
like 10mgs of such and such
miracle formula eh?
only available via doc
except for me here (not me) pushing this 25 dollar bottle crap
I'm I done?
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Spartacus
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I know where sparty like his Tylers.
spart doesn't change his colors
spart especially won't change his colors to make a buck
Barch
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For some other liver care product, take a look at Anabolic Xtreme's Perfect Cycle...
Per 2 capsule serving:
N-Acetyl-Cysteine - 1000 MG
Milk Thistle - 600 MG (80% standardized provides 480 mg Silymarin)
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 200 MG
Not too expensive, either. Protein Factory's Post Cycle is supposed to be good, too.
Per 2 capsule serving:
N-Acetyl-Cysteine - 1000 MG
Milk Thistle - 600 MG (80% standardized provides 480 mg Silymarin)
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 200 MG
Not too expensive, either. Protein Factory's Post Cycle is supposed to be good, too.
uh huh, sure.
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Spartacus
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I almost got banned by Ulter for that 2004 post
he was pissed
I almost get banned twice a year
he was pissed
I almost get banned twice a year
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Spartacus
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that's a good formula
can you be confident of the product?
liver protectants isn't the sort of product you hope to see if it works
or "feel it"
I think the prudent course of action to recommend
if you are going to do orals
limit it to 2-4 weeks and be modest
now knowing how well such advice is followed
do not continously assault your liver and/or bombardment it with 17aa
over weeks
you will compromise your liver function and impair it's ability to regenerate
the liver is a marvolous organ and can regenerate if not too damaged
please don't do it at 24
Barch
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Well, like any product, unless you get it lab tested, you can never be positive. However, I've been using it for a while and it did correspond with improved liver panels, so I'm sticking with it. A few guys here at EF use it also, I think Halfcenturian (I could be wrong) has been using it for a long time and recommends it. I just liked the fact that it has good dosages of the "big three" liver care compounds. Either way, I have no vested interest, just passing along info.
cobracock1979
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oK Bro's,
So what have we discovered - whats a reasonable source of liver protection while ON? I wanna know!
So what have we discovered - whats a reasonable source of liver protection while ON? I wanna know!
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