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Tren for size?

Tank87

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Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.
 
I think tren/test is money for size, what doses are you planning?

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I am thinking of 75mg eod if I get acetate, and maybe 300mg ew if enanthate. Test would be 750mg. By the way stats are 5'8 208 28 yo 13% bodyfat and 5 cycles under my belt. never used tren before and was thinking of trying it out in a bulking cycle.
 
I am thinking of 75mg eod if I get acetate, and maybe 300mg ew if enanthate. Test would be 750mg. By the way stats are 5'8 208 28 yo 13% bodyfat and 5 cycles under my belt. never used tren before and was thinking of trying it out in a bulking cycle.

You should gain an easy 20 lbs and drop some fat if diet is good and you train hard. I know this should be a given but I see people all the time on juice half assing training sesssions and eating like a bird. Then they wonder why they only gain a few lbs and there as strong as a school girl. Tren and test will make you a monster.

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Thanks joeblow. I appreciate the response. I was originally considering a high dose test only cycle and just eat and train like a mad man, but i have reconsidered and want to give tren a go along with the test.
 
You should theoretically have some size on you before starting a Tren cycle. Tren at 75 EOD is plenty and will keep your sides at a minimum as well. Tren will cut you down and take all the excess fat off of you and rip you up. I have never had the experience of adding any massive amounts of muscle while on tren and have only used it as a cutter.
 
Tren is good for strength n lean muscles gain.

Test is a way better for bulking then tren

Tren will help you dropping your bf still diet dependent.
 
A really good bulker.

Min 16weeks

40mg dbol 1 to 4
750mg of test 1 to 16
500mg of deca 1 to 14
500mg of eq 1 to 16
50mg eod of winny 13 to 16

U will put some descent solid muscles
Without to much water retention
 
you can definitely bulk w/ tren. Eat a ton and add a good compound to compliment it like test and you can have a real nice bulker.

Just plan plan plan. be ready to deal with the sides of tren and have all the necessary supps on hand.
 
DIET is key. tren kills my appetite.. I always want to eat a ton after my workouts, when i'm on tren i feel sick just looking at food after a workout.

best bet is drink a ton of water and force feed yourself .. yes tren does add mass and strength, but since food is so anabolic you won't get as much as you would like. thats why for pure bulking a npp/dbol/test cycle will give you the appetite of pregnant woman.
 
Good thread. I was thinking of running tren @ 300mg/wk and test @ 600/wk for my next run.

Be warned, tren really fucked up my sleeping habits, and I woke up in a pool of sweat everynight. The fat loss and strength gain were worth it all tho :)
 
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.

I ran a Sust/Tren cycle back in july for a bulker. I ran 9 weeks of Sust at 500mg and 5 1/2 weeks at 100 mg EOD of Tren Ace. I took in 3400 calories and put on 20 lbs in those 9 weeks. I really enjoyed my experience with Tren, and i dont really care if anyone believes me, but i had 0 sides whatsoever. Well, actually, the only sides i had from it were from not running any dostinex while on. Been off since October and every now and then i have issues with my soldier
 
I ran tren E 400mg wk with test E 500mg a week.

Tren 8 wks and test 10wks

Started at 202lbs 8-9% bf and finished 220lbs 8-9% bf my avatar pic is from a few weeks ago just finished cycle.

I lifted HEAVY increased protein intake.

Sides= serious night sweats and jacked up sleep, get some Parmi to help keep your prolactin levels in check
 
If you want to strictly see the scale go up, then no. Dbol, test, deca will be your friend.
if you want pure muscle gains while not getting fat then there is nothing like tren ace.
 
What ancills will counter/protect you from tren sides? Will forma on cycle be enough to protect against nasty tren sides?
 
Not to thread jack, but what difference can I expect from tren enan? Only ran ace before. Will sleep and sweat sides reduce? Any bloat associated?
 
75mg eod is a good place to start. But I strongly suggest you start with tren ace not enath. Some people get hit with tren sides like a freight train. Some dont. But if you get some undesired sides you can stop and its gone in 2-3 days as opposed to weeks.
Tren is nothing to take lightly. You may get one side, or all of them but real mild, or maybe none at all. I personally got hit with the angry side. You really need to be more aware of your temper. I also got really screaming hot about 20 minutes post meals.
As far as the numbers go you may do more recomp than actual gaining.(you will gain though) But you will look way bigger in the end. This is what matters right?:evil:
There are some advanced folks like Needto and Hayez that swear by Test/Tren/Deca. But you really have to know your body and how it is with alot of nandrolone before attempting something like this though.
I cant believe in a million years that you would be dissapointed with 500mg test wk and 75 or 100 mg tren ace eod.
 
Not to thread jack, but what difference can I expect from tren enan? Only ran ace before. Will sleep and sweat sides reduce? Any bloat associated?

Eventually u will see the same sides it's just a lot slower acting tren!! I u got the nuts and can actually find the real chit the go with tren hex!
 
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.

Bro, do yourself a huge a favor and run the ace if it's your first time running tren! Don't ever start on anything other than ace!! If the sides are hard on u the ace will be out in a few days... Try that first
 
yes i agree run ace for your first time. E is a longer ester more suited for those who want less injections and don't mind it sticking around longer in the body. if its your first run then you may not like the bad sides from tren and will want that stuff out of your body ASAP
 
Caber! Or another type of dopamine inhibitor

exactly.. its a must run with tren.

and caber will also boost sex drive and help you sleep (with most guys atleast)

i sleep like a baby on tren thanks to caber I believe (never ran tren without it so that is my guess) and you don't need much at all.. a very small bite of a .5 tab every 4 days will work.
 
exactly.. its a must run with tren.

and caber will also boost sex drive and help you sleep (with most guys atleast)

i sleep like a baby on tren thanks to caber I believe (never ran tren without it so that is my guess) and you don't need much at all.. a very small bite of a .5 tab every 4 days will work.

I understand that caber comes recommended for tren cycles but isn't prami the same thing?
And if not, what is the difference?
 
I understand that caber comes recommended for tren cycles but isn't prami the same thing?
And if not, what is the difference?

They're both dopamine inhibitors! I've been told prami has more sides tho...
 
Wow I am outta the tren loop. Used to run it often when ya pretty much had to make it yourself. Wth is Caber and how does it affect you?
 
Wow I am outta the tren loop. Used to run it often when ya pretty much had to make it yourself. Wth is Caber and how does it affect you?

Dopamine inhibitor bro! I think the google can explain it better than I can but... It's all in the progestin... It helps prevent the progestin overload which tren and Deca are capable of... Too much progestin and sever gyno and sides can come on... That's why u don't run nolva with tren or Deca also!
 
cabergoline will make you crazy horny, youll think about sex constantly, and the weird thing with cab is you will turn into don juan...also you can have sex, and do round two in less than 5 minutes. And sometimes not even stop between ...multiple O's....it also blocks the fear/risk taking part of your brain.

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I have done many cycles in my past. Mainly just trt and a cycle a year it so now. Anyway used both tren and deca multiple times with no bromo. In fact I quit all AI's years ago. Never had an issue. I think I'll run tren enan @300 and test cyp@600 next time around. Hopefully sooner than later!

That's for the help. Again, sorry to thread jack.
 
I have done many cycles in my past. Mainly just trt and a cycle a year it so now. Anyway used both tren and deca multiple times with no bromo. In fact I quit all AI's years ago. Never had an issue. I think I'll run tren enan @300 and test cyp@600 next time around. Hopefully sooner than later!

That's for the help. Again, sorry to thread jack.

I never run an AI either. never had a problem with estrogen. Or nandrolones for that matter. Just hold extra water. Definatley going to run it to keep water off this time.
 
cabergoline will make you crazy horny, youll think about sex constantly, and the weird thing with cab is you will turn into don juan...also you can have sex, and do round two in less than 5 minutes. And sometimes not even stop between ...multiple O's....it also blocks the fear/risk taking part of your brain.

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not the reason I run caber but yeah it will increase libido and help with sleep. which are great when running tren.
 
@blue_steel, this time last year I also ran sus, test, deca and anavar. By week 14 had gained a legit 20 lbs. Ran 2 bottles of tri-tren and had minimal to no sides. About to stock up and run it again.

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Ok thanks guys. My goal here is to add some solid muscle without much bloat and definitelty no moon face. From what it looks like, I can run test and tren and as long as I keep my cals up, should see some nice muscle gains along with maybe a little fat loss. Sounds good to me. I think I will go with this. Test E at 750mg EW and Tren Ace at 75mg EOD to start. This will be first time running Tren. I have 5 cycles under my belt and am looking for a good boost for some size gains. Diet is already in order.
 
So I believe the general thought here is Test/Tren will be a great bulker as long as food intake is what it needs to be? Like I said, the intention is to add some solid muscle. Some dont like Tren as a bulker which is why i was looking for your opinions on it when used for size gaining.
 
Ok thanks guys. My goal here is to add some solid muscle without much bloat and definitelty no moon face. From what it looks like, I can run test and tren and as long as I keep my cals up, should see some nice muscle gains along with maybe a little fat loss. Sounds good to me. I think I will go with this. Test E at 750mg EW and Tren Ace at 75mg EOD to start. This will be first time running Tren. I have 5 cycles under my belt and am looking for a good boost for some size gains. Diet is already in order.

Just remember this much; I had a hard time understanding this... If you're lookin to add mass, u need carbs and a lot of em... And to gain mass albeit lean mass u will still have to gain some fat. So keep that in mind and believe that chit bc if u believe everything u read or see then u may be disappointed. To get bigger u gotta put on weight
 
Buddy I have done plenty of cycles with tren. Even tren by it self.

Tren only leans you out and give you good strength n lean muscles.

There is no way you will put 20lb of muscles with tren.

I was doing 5000cal a day and still didn't put 20lb of muscles lol
 
I understand the diet part. So are you saying Test/Tren would not be a good choice for a bulk cycle? My goal here is to add as much quality muscle as i can. What do you recommend then for a good strong "quality" bulk cycle? Again I will give you my stats and cycle history to help you better recommend something. 5'8 208 13% bodyfat. 28 years old and 5 cycles under my belt. first cycle: test 500mg. 2nd cycle: test at 500mg. 3rd cycle: test 500mg and deca 400mg. 4th cycle: test 500mg eq 600mg and d-bol 30mg. 5th cycle: test alone at 500mg. My last cycle was somewhat dissapointing and my diet was pretty darn good. This is why i feel i'm ready to try something a little more potent you might say. If you believe test/tren is better sutied for cutting, then what would you recommend for a good bulk cycle without the bloatedness/moonface?
 
Dude, I understand u think ur diet is "down" but do u understand that a bulking diet and a cutting diet differ? If u are eating a cutting diet it doesn't really matter what bulking gear ur on u still won't get the most out of it! Your diet is what will determine what u gain really. U can go with tren as test but please don't expect to put on 20lbs of lean muscle... I'd recommend u run test,(1-16) eq (1-14) npp (1-8) tren a (8-16) var (10-16) that right there will be a beast of a cycle... Work on bulking up the first 10 wks and then use the last 6 to strip off the fats.
 
I understand the diet part. So are you saying Test/Tren would not be a good choice for a bulk cycle? My goal here is to add as much quality muscle as i can. What do you recommend then for a good strong "quality" bulk cycle? Again I will give you my stats and cycle history to help you better recommend something. 5'8 208 13% bodyfat. 28 years old and 5 cycles under my belt. first cycle: test 500mg. 2nd cycle: test at 500mg. 3rd cycle: test 500mg and deca 400mg. 4th cycle: test 500mg eq 600mg and d-bol 30mg. 5th cycle: test alone at 500mg. My last cycle was somewhat dissapointing and my diet was pretty darn good. This is why i feel i'm ready to try something a little more potent you might say. If you believe test/tren is better sutied for cutting, then what would you recommend for a good bulk cycle without the bloatedness/moonface?

As you said you want a quality muscles but still looking to bulk up.

IMO I would do 16week cycle

Dbols 1 to 4 40mg Ed

Test E 750mg 1 to 16 ...................or test prop 100mg Ed 1 to 16 for lean look less bloat

Eq 500mg 1 to 16
Remember to see descent results you have to cycle eq for bit longer and it will give you hard n vascular look after 10weeks

Tren E 200mg 1 to 8 weeks
This will help u put some lean muscle n strength

Stanzol 13 to 16 50mg e2d
It's will help u free you test so it can utilize more in muscle building n get off the bloat.

IMO by week 13 you would achieve a big vascular body.

Keep it in mind eat min 4000cal a day
And eat clean.

Muscle growth = 33% training 33% nutrition 33% rest

By the end of this cycle I would expect at least 15lb of solid muscle gain
 
Well my diet will be a "bulking" diet. I was actually trying to keep this cycle a little more simple than that. I was thinking more along the lines of 2 compounds with an oral added. So you would advise against tren when it comes to bulking then? I am looking for a strong yet relatively simple and cost effective bulking cycle. I think 4+ compounds is probably out of my range for the time being.
 
I understand the diet part. So are you saying Test/Tren would not be a good choice for a bulk cycle? My goal here is to add as much quality muscle as i can. What do you recommend then for a good strong "quality" bulk cycle? Again I will give you my stats and cycle history to help you better recommend something. 5'8 208 13% bodyfat. 28 years old and 5 cycles under my belt. first cycle: test 500mg. 2nd cycle: test at 500mg. 3rd cycle: test 500mg and deca 400mg. 4th cycle: test 500mg eq 600mg and d-bol 30mg. 5th cycle: test alone at 500mg. My last cycle was somewhat dissapointing and my diet was pretty darn good. This is why i feel i'm ready to try something a little more potent you might say. If you believe test/tren is better sutied for cutting, then what would you recommend for a good bulk cycle without the bloatedness/moonface?

I know opinions differ on bulk cycles. There are many different choices to run. The fact still remains that tren will do whatever you want it to do as long as diet and training are sufficient. I think tren is worth at least trying to find out for yourself. You have enough experience to run it if you choose to.

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Well my diet will be a "bulking" diet. I was actually trying to keep this cycle a little more simple than that. I was thinking more along the lines of 2 compounds with an oral added. So you would advise against tren when it comes to bulking then? I am looking for a strong yet relatively simple and cost effective bulking cycle. I think 4+ compounds is probably out of my range for the time being.

Wait and save up....... And do a proper bulking cycle. No hurry man

Or

Just Do a
Test prop n tren ace cycle for lean gains

You wont put much size on but you will get quality muscles it would be good n hard.

Either way it's your choice my friend
 
I am wanting to give tren a try but the opinions on its capabilities as a bulker seem mixed so it's hard to decide. As long as my diet is on point and i am getting enough calories to grow shouldn't a test/tren/d-bol cycle be plenty good for size gains? It seems like some are saying tren is good for size and some say it's better suited for leaning out. Hard to make a definite decision here. Just looking to grow.
 
tren is meant to put mass on. It works great to put mass on.

Yes it can be used to cut because it doesnt bloat.

Test/Tren is a great bulker.. so long as you are ready to deal w/ the sides of tren and so long as you are ready to take full 100% advantage of the tren.
 
I am wanting to give tren a try but the opinions on its capabilities as a bulker seem mixed so it's hard to decide. As long as my diet is on point and i am getting enough calories to grow shouldn't a test/tren/d-bol cycle be plenty good for size gains? It seems like some are saying tren is good for size and some say it's better suited for leaning out. Hard to make a definite decision here. Just looking to grow.

The point I think ur missing is tren is very versatile and can be used in any type of cycle desired. It can help put size on and it can lean u out. It just depends on the compounds accompanied with it and ur diet. I u eat big u will put on some mass. If u eat like a chicken then u will harden up and not gain much weight. I'd recommend u try the tren. But I'd rather see u run test / tren / eq. That's pretty simple.
 
As you said you want a quality muscles but still looking to bulk up.

IMO I would do 16week cycle

Dbols 1 to 4 40mg Ed

Test E 750mg 1 to 16 ...................or test prop 100mg Ed 1 to 16 for lean look less bloat

Eq 500mg 1 to 16
Remember to see descent results you have to cycle eq for bit longer and it will give you hard n vascular look after 10weeks

Tren E 200mg 1 to 8 weeks
This will help u put some lean muscle n strength

Stanzol 13 to 16 50mg e2d
It's will help u free you test so it can utilize more in muscle building n get off the bloat.

IMO by week 13 you would achieve a big vascular body.

Keep it in mind eat min 4000cal a day
And eat clean.

Muscle growth = 33% training 33% nutrition 33% rest

By the end of this cycle I would expect at least 15lb of solid muscle gain

G/J- I agree with ur cycle above except for 1 thing. I'd cut the eq short of the test by a week or maybe 2. U always want the test to run a lil further than the other compounds IMO.
 
tren is meant to put mass on. It works great to put mass on.

Yes it can be used to cut because it doesnt bloat.

Test/Tren is a great bulker.. so long as you are ready to deal w/ the sides of tren and so long as you are ready to take full 100% advantage of the tren.
What ancills protect you fro tren sides on cycle??

Forma?
 
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.

Size is alot about DIET. You can certainly gain size and mass with TREN if your eating big too.
 
Ok guys test/tren it is. What do you think the benefits of adding eq would be to this cycle? And what about d-bol the first 4 weeks?
 
Ok guys test/tren it is. What do you think the benefits of adding eq would be to this cycle? And what about d-bol the first 4 weeks?

Eq can add nitrogen retention stamina and increased hunger in some. My eq run I had serious stamina and crazy pumps around week 10
 
Ok guys test/tren it is. What do you think the benefits of adding eq would be to this cycle? And what about d-bol the first 4 weeks?

Give us some description about dosages and how long you running your cycle for.

As I said to see any benefit
From eq. You have to run it for ablest 16 weeks.
 
cabergoline will make you crazy horny, youll think about sex constantly, and the weird thing with cab is you will turn into don juan...also you can have sex, and do round two in less than 5 minutes. And sometimes not even stop between ...multiple O's....it also blocks the fear/risk taking part of your brain.

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caber made me an emotional little bitch :mix:....it was bad I had to stop and finished my cycle with no libido issues, did everything else u listed tho
 
Thats wild, havent heard of cab sides like that. It should have lowered any prolactin, and I would think that wouldnt cause those sides? Guess you could always feed it to someone elses rat if you dont react well with it.

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Thats wild, havent heard of cab sides like that. It should have lowered any prolactin, and I would think that wouldnt cause those sides? Guess you could always feed it to someone elses rat if you dont react well with it.

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yeah i'm 99% sure it was the caber, I dropped it and felt better within a week. It could have been anxiety from the eq but I was only running 400mg/week and I didn't have any troubles after dropping the caber at week 4. Stuff like that takes a while to notice but after a few weeks of this :mix: then something is going wrong lol. It's crazy cause I just had to drop t3 after a week and a half because of sides and that isn't known to give sides either......but I can eat clen like pez go figure :rolleyes:
 
caber made me an emotional little bitch :mix:....it was bad I had to stop and finished my cycle with no libido issues, did everything else u listed tho
Caber kind of gives me a bit of a high. I take it before bed so this way it doesn't affect me throughout the day. I did notice since I started tren and caber, I've been all lovey dovey with my wife. I text her every 10 minutes telling her how beautiful she is and how much I love her. I even took a day off of work (haven't done that in years) just to go to the mall with her and take her shopping. I just thought about it and something is up with me lol. But last time I ran tren, I wound up proposing to her...so yeah I think tren in general just makes me very loving and protective to my girl. I get road rage whether I'm on or off cycle. Just when I'm on cycle I might tend to be a bit more confrontational but it might just be because I am bigger and stronger and thus more confident.
 
I had this same dilemma so I'm actually incorporating it in with the famous mass stack. I'll be running dbol/sust/deca/tren e. Can't flipin wait!
 
I'm all for it man. I'll be running the Dbols at 40 mg Ed. I will also be running my test at 750 a week too. When are you starting?
 
I will be starting this cycle in 30 days time. Test E 750mg EW, Tren Ace 50mg EOD to start, and D-bol at 30mg ED. I have never run Tren, so if I handle it ok, I will bump it. I will definitely keep everyone posted as to how the cycle goes. I will be using Dymatize Elite Mass throughout the cycle for extra calories, protein, and carbs. Going to be using Creatine monohydrate as well and eating 6 meals a day. Hopefully I will add some decent size from this.
 
I will be starting this cycle in 30 days time. Test E 750mg EW, Tren Ace 50mg EOD to start, and D-bol at 30mg ED. I have never run Tren, so if I handle it ok, I will bump it. I will definitely keep everyone posted as to how the cycle goes. I will be using Dymatize Elite Mass throughout the cycle for extra calories, protein, and carbs. Going to be using Creatine monohydrate as well and eating 6 meals a day. Hopefully I will add some decent size from this.
yeah if your diet and training is on point that'll be money
 
I will be starting this cycle in 30 days time. Test E 750mg EW, Tren Ace 50mg EOD to start, and D-bol at 30mg ED. I have never run Tren, so if I handle it ok, I will bump it. I will definitely keep everyone posted as to how the cycle goes. I will be using Dymatize Elite Mass throughout the cycle for extra calories, protein, and carbs. Going to be using Creatine monohydrate as well and eating 6 meals a day. Hopefully I will add some decent size from this.

Do 5*5 training for maximum mass IMO
 
Test and Tren are by far the best mass building cycle Ive done. Even better than test and deca. (Mind you, this year I ran a test/tren and deca cycle and it was even more great).

When I cycled with test and tren I cycled at 1g of test prop and 1g of tren per week for 10 weeks.
 
This is the best post in this thread...


Yes^^^^ I'm on 700 test, 450 tren. and my diet has been....well, suspect this time around (i love cookie crisp and donuts) It's identical to a test, eq and katana cycle I've done in the past. I cleaned my diet up for 5 days and it was a transformation. diet is everything, especially and more so on aas.

I slept better on the test/eq/katana cycle but tren is a force to be reckoned with.
 
Test and Tren are by far the best mass building cycle Ive done. Even better than test and deca. (Mind you, this year I ran a test/tren and deca cycle and it was even more great).

When I cycled with test and tren I cycled at 1g of test prop and 1g of tren per week for 10 weeks.

Just wondering what's your stats bro.
After taking almost 2g of gear a week.
 
Since this thread involves Tren I am wondering if anyone has feedback for me on my current cycle:
Test Cyp 750 mgs ew
Tren Enth 400 mgs ew
Anadrol 50 mgs ed
Deca 200 mgs ew

Deca for the joints
Anadrol 4-5 weeks
Tren for 10 weeks
Cyp 16 weeks
After 10 weeks Anavar for a bit

I am 6'6" 240 lbs
16% bf

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June 4, 2012 I'll be running Test-E @ 750mg and Tren-E @ 500mg. Winny 50mg ED my last 5 weeks of the cycle.

Diet: All I am going to eat is Eggs and Oatmeal in the morning and fish throughout the day whether it be Salmon, Tilapia, Shrimp or Tuna. I will eat 1 red meat meal EOD such as steak, ground beef or bison just to keep the muscles full. I will also be carb cycling for fat loss.
 
Since this thread involves Tren I am wondering if anyone has feedback for me on my current cycle:
Test Cyp 750 mgs ew
Tren Enth 400 mgs ew
Anadrol 50 mgs ed
Deca 200 mgs ew

Deca for the joints
Anadrol 4-5 weeks
Tren for 10 weeks
Cyp 16 weeks
After 10 weeks Anavar for a bit

I am 6'6" 240 lbs
16% bf

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So you have no pct? An anavar bridge doesn't count as pct. Also your running deca and tren in the same cycle. While most will disagree with this due to the increased chances of prolactin issues, I am not against it. But, if you don't run a progesterone antagonist then chances are your screwed. So you have some home work to do. Once you have a thorough understanding of proper cycling then start your own thread.


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