I am thinking of 75mg eod if I get acetate, and maybe 300mg ew if enanthate. Test would be 750mg. By the way stats are 5'8 208 28 yo 13% bodyfat and 5 cycles under my belt. never used tren before and was thinking of trying it out in a bulking cycle.
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.
What ancills will counter/protect you from tren sides? Will forma on cycle be enough to protect against nasty tren sides?
Not to thread jack, but what difference can I expect from tren enan? Only ran ace before. Will sleep and sweat sides reduce? Any bloat associated?
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.
Caber! Or another type of dopamine inhibitor
exactly.. its a must run with tren.
and caber will also boost sex drive and help you sleep (with most guys atleast)
i sleep like a baby on tren thanks to caber I believe (never ran tren without it so that is my guess) and you don't need much at all.. a very small bite of a .5 tab every 4 days will work.
I understand that caber comes recommended for tren cycles but isn't prami the same thing?
And if not, what is the difference?
Wow I am outta the tren loop. Used to run it often when ya pretty much had to make it yourself. Wth is Caber and how does it affect you?
I have done many cycles in my past. Mainly just trt and a cycle a year it so now. Anyway used both tren and deca multiple times with no bromo. In fact I quit all AI's years ago. Never had an issue. I think I'll run tren enan @300 and test cyp@600 next time around. Hopefully sooner than later!
That's for the help. Again, sorry to thread jack.
cabergoline will make you crazy horny, youll think about sex constantly, and the weird thing with cab is you will turn into don juan...also you can have sex, and do round two in less than 5 minutes. And sometimes not even stop between ...multiple O's....it also blocks the fear/risk taking part of your brain.
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Ok thanks guys. My goal here is to add some solid muscle without much bloat and definitelty no moon face. From what it looks like, I can run test and tren and as long as I keep my cals up, should see some nice muscle gains along with maybe a little fat loss. Sounds good to me. I think I will go with this. Test E at 750mg EW and Tren Ace at 75mg EOD to start. This will be first time running Tren. I have 5 cycles under my belt and am looking for a good boost for some size gains. Diet is already in order.
I understand the diet part. So are you saying Test/Tren would not be a good choice for a bulk cycle? My goal here is to add as much quality muscle as i can. What do you recommend then for a good strong "quality" bulk cycle? Again I will give you my stats and cycle history to help you better recommend something. 5'8 208 13% bodyfat. 28 years old and 5 cycles under my belt. first cycle: test 500mg. 2nd cycle: test at 500mg. 3rd cycle: test 500mg and deca 400mg. 4th cycle: test 500mg eq 600mg and d-bol 30mg. 5th cycle: test alone at 500mg. My last cycle was somewhat dissapointing and my diet was pretty darn good. This is why i feel i'm ready to try something a little more potent you might say. If you believe test/tren is better sutied for cutting, then what would you recommend for a good bulk cycle without the bloatedness/moonface?
I understand the diet part. So are you saying Test/Tren would not be a good choice for a bulk cycle? My goal here is to add as much quality muscle as i can. What do you recommend then for a good strong "quality" bulk cycle? Again I will give you my stats and cycle history to help you better recommend something. 5'8 208 13% bodyfat. 28 years old and 5 cycles under my belt. first cycle: test 500mg. 2nd cycle: test at 500mg. 3rd cycle: test 500mg and deca 400mg. 4th cycle: test 500mg eq 600mg and d-bol 30mg. 5th cycle: test alone at 500mg. My last cycle was somewhat dissapointing and my diet was pretty darn good. This is why i feel i'm ready to try something a little more potent you might say. If you believe test/tren is better sutied for cutting, then what would you recommend for a good bulk cycle without the bloatedness/moonface?
Well my diet will be a "bulking" diet. I was actually trying to keep this cycle a little more simple than that. I was thinking more along the lines of 2 compounds with an oral added. So you would advise against tren when it comes to bulking then? I am looking for a strong yet relatively simple and cost effective bulking cycle. I think 4+ compounds is probably out of my range for the time being.
I am wanting to give tren a try but the opinions on its capabilities as a bulker seem mixed so it's hard to decide. As long as my diet is on point and i am getting enough calories to grow shouldn't a test/tren/d-bol cycle be plenty good for size gains? It seems like some are saying tren is good for size and some say it's better suited for leaning out. Hard to make a definite decision here. Just looking to grow.
As you said you want a quality muscles but still looking to bulk up.
IMO I would do 16week cycle
Dbols 1 to 4 40mg Ed
Test E 750mg 1 to 16 ...................or test prop 100mg Ed 1 to 16 for lean look less bloat
Eq 500mg 1 to 16
Remember to see descent results you have to cycle eq for bit longer and it will give you hard n vascular look after 10weeks
Tren E 200mg 1 to 8 weeks
This will help u put some lean muscle n strength
Stanzol 13 to 16 50mg e2d
It's will help u free you test so it can utilize more in muscle building n get off the bloat.
IMO by week 13 you would achieve a big vascular body.
Keep it in mind eat min 4000cal a day
And eat clean.
Muscle growth = 33% training 33% nutrition 33% rest
By the end of this cycle I would expect at least 15lb of solid muscle gain
What ancills protect you fro tren sides on cycle??tren is meant to put mass on. It works great to put mass on.
Yes it can be used to cut because it doesnt bloat.
Test/Tren is a great bulker.. so long as you are ready to deal w/ the sides of tren and so long as you are ready to take full 100% advantage of the tren.
Hey guys I was hoping you could tell me a bit about your experiences with tren when using it to build mass. I read a lot of articles about Tren being better suited for cutting but of course is diet dependant. For size gains, how would you rate a test/tren cycle? Thanks.
Ok guys test/tren it is. What do you think the benefits of adding eq would be to this cycle? And what about d-bol the first 4 weeks?
What ancills protect you fro tren sides on cycle??
Forma?
Ok guys test/tren it is. What do you think the benefits of adding eq would be to this cycle? And what about d-bol the first 4 weeks?
caber made me an emotional little bitchcabergoline will make you crazy horny, youll think about sex constantly, and the weird thing with cab is you will turn into don juan...also you can have sex, and do round two in less than 5 minutes. And sometimes not even stop between ...multiple O's....it also blocks the fear/risk taking part of your brain.
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....it was bad I had to stop and finished my cycle with no libido issues, did everything else u listed thoyeah i'm 99% sure it was the caber, I dropped it and felt better within a week. It could have been anxiety from the eq but I was only running 400mg/week and I didn't have any troubles after dropping the caber at week 4. Stuff like that takes a while to notice but after a few weeks of thisThats wild, havent heard of cab sides like that. It should have lowered any prolactin, and I would think that wouldnt cause those sides? Guess you could always feed it to someone elses rat if you dont react well with it.
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then something is going wrong lol. It's crazy cause I just had to drop t3 after a week and a half because of sides and that isn't known to give sides either......but I can eat clen like pez go figure Caber kind of gives me a bit of a high. I take it before bed so this way it doesn't affect me throughout the day. I did notice since I started tren and caber, I've been all lovey dovey with my wife. I text her every 10 minutes telling her how beautiful she is and how much I love her. I even took a day off of work (haven't done that in years) just to go to the mall with her and take her shopping. I just thought about it and something is up with me lol. But last time I ran tren, I wound up proposing to her...so yeah I think tren in general just makes me very loving and protective to my girl. I get road rage whether I'm on or off cycle. Just when I'm on cycle I might tend to be a bit more confrontational but it might just be because I am bigger and stronger and thus more confident.caber made me an emotional little bitch....it was bad I had to stop and finished my cycle with no libido issues, did everything else u listed tho
why not? 30mg a day and get swole....just run n2guard with itDoses would be test at 750mg EW and Tren ace at 50mg eod to start. Should I add d-bol first 4 weeks?
i'm started my cycle a couple weeks ago.....I'm all for it man. I'll be running the Dbols at 40 mg Ed. I will also be running my test at 750 a week too. When are you starting?
yeah if your diet and training is on point that'll be moneyI will be starting this cycle in 30 days time. Test E 750mg EW, Tren Ace 50mg EOD to start, and D-bol at 30mg ED. I have never run Tren, so if I handle it ok, I will bump it. I will definitely keep everyone posted as to how the cycle goes. I will be using Dymatize Elite Mass throughout the cycle for extra calories, protein, and carbs. Going to be using Creatine monohydrate as well and eating 6 meals a day. Hopefully I will add some decent size from this.
Size is alot about DIET. You can certainly gain size and mass with TREN if your eating big too.
I will be starting this cycle in 30 days time. Test E 750mg EW, Tren Ace 50mg EOD to start, and D-bol at 30mg ED. I have never run Tren, so if I handle it ok, I will bump it. I will definitely keep everyone posted as to how the cycle goes. I will be using Dymatize Elite Mass throughout the cycle for extra calories, protein, and carbs. Going to be using Creatine monohydrate as well and eating 6 meals a day. Hopefully I will add some decent size from this.
What ancills protect you fro tren sides on cycle??
Forma?
This is the best post in this thread...
Test and Tren are by far the best mass building cycle Ive done. Even better than test and deca. (Mind you, this year I ran a test/tren and deca cycle and it was even more great).
When I cycled with test and tren I cycled at 1g of test prop and 1g of tren per week for 10 weeks.
Since this thread involves Tren I am wondering if anyone has feedback for me on my current cycle:
Test Cyp 750 mgs ew
Tren Enth 400 mgs ew
Anadrol 50 mgs ed
Deca 200 mgs ew
Deca for the joints
Anadrol 4-5 weeks
Tren for 10 weeks
Cyp 16 weeks
After 10 weeks Anavar for a bit
I am 6'6" 240 lbs
16% bf
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