tren (finasol) and hypocaloric keto

[ncsports]

been reading this board for about 6-8 months and recently joined ~mo. ago. zero cycles. i have read a lot on the boards here and elsewhere but wanted opinions on this.
currently 185lbs 15% 5'10" 30yr ecto-frame. ultimate goal 200lbs 8%. my best is 190lbs 8%

i have recently been laid off so my diet and training have been bad for about 6 weeks. since i was going to be hypocaloric anyway i decided to go keto and lose some bf.

w.o. is:
30-40 min 65% aerobic ED
S - HIIT aerobic
M - chest
T - back
W - HIIT aerobic
R - legs + delts
F - arms
Sa - HIIT

wght train days are 12-15 reps w/30-45 sec. rest.

?? anyone have an idea of how tren would interact with this diet (hypocaloric keto) and w.o.?

since i have not done a cycle of anything yet (virgin) should i wait until a couple of natural bulking cycles and then introduce AAS?

 

[Him1]

If I read right, there are 2 questions.

1. How does Tren Interact w/ low calorie dieting.

Well, right now, I'm between 2300 and 2500 cal's a day cutting, taking 75 mg tren/day, .5 mg Liquidex/day, 600-1000 mg ala/day and eca stack. I'm about 2 weeks in, I have dropped one pound(I walk 10 min after my w/o cuz I just don't seem to need much cardio when dieting, cuz, I usually don't try to drop lower than 7% bf.) but, I'm definitely leaning out. I haven't had my bf checked yet, but, I'd say that I've lost app. 3-4 lb's fat and maybe gained 2-3 lb's of muscle so far. I'm very happy thus far w/ the tren.

2. Should you wait to use as?

Thats up to you buddy, you're 30 yrs old. How long have you been training?

 

[ncsports]

you are right, i did kind of have 2 ?s.

would using tren now on hypocaloric keto diet possibly affect results of AS bulking diet 8-9 mos from now?

and

how effective would the tren be on this type of diet?

i have been training for about 6-7 yrs but the last 3 or so have been more off than on. no excuses!

i have good training habits and eating habits when i am training but often undereat and lose wght when not.

i am no where near my genetic potential but i am not sure i will be patient enough to get back in the shape i want to be in. i am thinking about doing 1 - 2 natural bulking cycles prior to AS. everyone has their own opinion on whether to use AS to break past genetic limit or to get there and beyond faster. my thought is to get there faster.

thanks for your input

 

[Him1]

Well, I just noticed that you said Finasol. You have to inject it, there is no other option.

Last cutting cycle I did, I did drug free, I did use eca and stuff like that, but, I will admit that I lost 2-3 lb's of muscle, and w/ the tren, so far I have gained muscle. And, yes, I am on a low-carb diet, between 150-175 now(some people like to go lower, but, mine come from post w/o carbs and mrp's amd ketchup, and it works for me.

Also, maybe you should wait till you get back into shape;I don't know what you know about muscle memory, but, it'll get you back where you were. Also, it's just ultimately your desicion, man. Maybe wait till you know you'll be able to give training and diet the atention it needs.

 

[ncsports]

thanks him1

i guess i have just grown impatient with my flabby/skinny self. i will most likely wait for AS until Jan or so after i bulk a couple of times naturally again. my muscle memory seems to work well and after about 3 weeks of natural training and good diet i see good gains comeback.

i think once i am back to the employed world and can really eat hardy again most will come back naturally and i will get more out of my 1st AS.

thanks for your input him1