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the more i research tren the more responses i see like " dude , i ate like shit and put on 15 pounds of muscle and got lean as hell , vascular as hell , and strong as hell!" ... what's the deal with this guys? is tren an exception to the rule of having ur diet in check?
 
bigpimpin25 said:
the more i research tren the more responses i see like " dude , i ate like shit and put on 15 pounds of muscle and got lean as hell , vascular as hell , and strong as hell!" ... what's the deal with this guys? is tren an exception to the rule of having ur diet in check?
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No idea, no experience, but I don't believe...

Hopefully anyone even considering Tren thinks "eating like shit" = BK 2-3 times / week tops. Or else they were nowhere near their potential without it and never had a good diet in the first place...

Well lets hear the vets talk about "eating like shit" I guess :)
 
This is my take on it

1. Young ectomorphs (that's the tall and/or slender ones) can really benefit from getting as many calories down thier neck as possible, from whatever source.

One small problem with this, eating a less than healthy diet does develop bad eating patterns, and what you can 'get away with' when you are 16-30 ish isn't what you can get away with for the rest of your life.

2. When people want 'insta' muscle, they do focus on the short term gains and 'brag' about them.

Is this approach going to work in the long term?

Probably not.

3. If you rely on the drugs to make up for shortcomings in your diet and training, you really are shooting yourself in the foot.

You may not be able to juice for life, there are more reasons that health. Even if you avoid the legal aspects of it, there are a number of professional occupations that would frown severely on any drug use (even alcohol), as some professionals are responsible for the well-being of others, and anything that could alter their mental faculties would just be irresponsible and reckless.
 
Tatyana said:
This is my take on it

1. Young ectomorphs (that's the tall and/or slender ones) can really benefit from getting as many calories down thier neck as possible, from whatever source.

One small problem with this, eating a less than healthy diet does develop bad eating patterns, and what you can 'get away with' when you are 16-30 ish isn't what you can get away with for the rest of your life.

2. When people want 'insta' muscle, they do focus on the short term gains and 'brag' about them.

Is this approach going to work in the long term?

Probably not.

3. If you rely on the drugs to make up for shortcomings in your diet and training, you really are shooting yourself in the foot.

You may not be able to juice for life, there are more reasons that health. Even if you avoid the legal aspects of it, there are a number of professional occupations that would frown severely on any drug use (even alcohol), as some professionals are responsible for the well-being of others, and anything that could alter their mental faculties would just be irresponsible and reckless.
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+1

Any REAL bodybuilder knows that a solid "spot-on" diet is
the key to success. This is a marathon, not a sprint. EAT RIGHT!
 
Excellent post! Diet is key.

Tatyana said:
This is my take on it

1. Young ectomorphs (that's the tall and/or slender ones) can really benefit from getting as many calories down thier neck as possible, from whatever source.

One small problem with this, eating a less than healthy diet does develop bad eating patterns, and what you can 'get away with' when you are 16-30 ish isn't what you can get away with for the rest of your life.

2. When people want 'insta' muscle, they do focus on the short term gains and 'brag' about them.

Is this approach going to work in the long term?

Probably not.

3. If you rely on the drugs to make up for shortcomings in your diet and training, you really are shooting yourself in the foot.

You may not be able to juice for life, there are more reasons that health. Even if you avoid the legal aspects of it, there are a number of professional occupations that would frown severely on any drug use (even alcohol), as some professionals are responsible for the well-being of others, and anything that could alter their mental faculties would just be irresponsible and reckless.
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GUARDIAN said:
Excellent post! Diet is key.
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and excellent doner DNA (like yours) doesn't hurt either.....but yeh, DIET is the key for all body types. :artist:
 
the classic tren/mast/prop is supposed to really work effective together. im def giving that one a try in the future
 
I had run tren a year ago with no changes to my bulking diet (basicly east everything) and I did infact lean out while gaining muscle (since my weight never changed much but i lost fat I had to have replaced the fat weight with muscle weight)
 
mr.nitro said:
I had run tren a year ago with no changes to my bulking diet (basicly east everything) and I did infact lean out while gaining muscle (since my weight never changed much but i lost fat I had to have replaced the fat weight with muscle weight)
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obviously diet is key to maximising your gains, but posts like this one by mr.nitro here lead me to believe that when ur on tren you are going to lean out . .tren is the shit ! :evil:
 
P4D2A022 said:
trying it tomorrow or thurs along with prop. cant wait
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Your in for a great transformation. I have run tren three times now and absolutely love it. However, I have not used it with prop; only enth and cyp.
 
thanks bro. ur getting me too hyper man lol. just hope im one of the lucky guys who doesnt get too many sides from it and can continue to take it for the great benefits
 
vascularity is not always a a result of lower body fat.
many steroids increase blood volume and can make one think they are leaner becuase they appear more pumped up in the biceps, forarms or the inner quads.

Tren can cuase bloat . I have witnessed first hand guys running tren I hang out with them and know they eat like shit ( big mac and fries ). Sure enough lean arms and legs from tren then a bloated face and bloated abs.

So eating like shit on tren will still cuase stomach bloat and facial bloat.
eating clean on tren will result in quality muscle gains with out the bloating side effects
 
im on tren eth 400mg and test eth 500mg eat like a horse but eat alot of meat try to do carbs during the day but i pig out alot at night and weekend on total junkfood and im so lean now abs are there vains all over the place strong as a ox body totaley changed traps and shoulders are cut and huge just turned into and new body im on week 5 and have 5 weeks to go cant wait to see my body change more ive done d-bol,deca,winny and now tren and for the first time i look like i juice
 
thanks for the feedback chazk. i wont forget ur advise. i dont want to get any more bloated. my face is already kinda round so ill be keeping it clean, for the most part
 
bigpimpin25 said:
the more i research tren the more responses i see like " dude , i ate like shit and put on 15 pounds of muscle and got lean as hell , vascular as hell , and strong as hell!" ... what's the deal with this guys? is tren an exception to the rule of having ur diet in check?
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I am definitely guilty of poor diet. And yes, Tren IS the exception. Even if your diet sucks you will still notice the results from Tren albeit not as good if you had followed a good diet.
 
thats because the benefits from diet are long term and benefits from tren start at short term. You can have a shitty diet for the first couple years you work out and still gain muscle, maybe even lose weight because your body is still having trouble adapting, but eventually, you will plateau forever unless your diet changes. And guess what? you can never take back all those years of eating like shit and you will be that far behind.
 
Very good post.


Tatyana said:
This is my take on it

1. Young ectomorphs (that's the tall and/or slender ones) can really benefit from getting as many calories down thier neck as possible, from whatever source.

One small problem with this, eating a less than healthy diet does develop bad eating patterns, and what you can 'get away with' when you are 16-30 ish isn't what you can get away with for the rest of your life.

2. When people want 'insta' muscle, they do focus on the short term gains and 'brag' about them.

Is this approach going to work in the long term?

Probably not.

3. If you rely on the drugs to make up for shortcomings in your diet and training, you really are shooting yourself in the foot.

You may not be able to juice for life, there are more reasons that health. Even if you avoid the legal aspects of it, there are a number of professional occupations that would frown severely on any drug use (even alcohol), as some professionals are responsible for the well-being of others, and anything that could alter their mental faculties would just be irresponsible and reckless.
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my recent experience with tren is great. It is my new best friend!!! I am doing 50 eod with 100testp eod. I put on abou 10 lbs of muscle so far give or take a few.

When I say my diet is not on I mean I am not counting protien, carbs and fat. I am not dealing with macro nutrients. I just eat. I eat beef, chicken and fish among other things. My cals range from 2000-3000/day. My diet is not on point. I eat hot dogs at work for lunch one day then a salad toped with all kinds of shit the next and so on. i am very very very happy with my gains.


Keep in mind tht if you are not at a point in your trainng where you have busted your ass natty and ate right on or off cycle ever then your heart is not in lifting. You need to do the basics then try some tren. I would never do it as a 1-5th cycle. Use test. Youll do great on test alone.
 
Tren is amazing stuff. It will allow you to eat not so clean and get away with it, however if you do eat clean the results are unbelievable. Tren is the only AAS I'm aware of that you can still gain muscle while dieting as long as you keep a relatively high protein intake of about 2 g/lb LBM/ED. I have used it several times and love the results with my only side, sweating like a pig when I eat, but beware for some the sides are unbearable.
 
im on my second week of tren,prop enanthate.so far not much.and im getting ready for a show in june.yea im getting leaner but its diet and cardio.this is my first time on tren and so far not too impressed.maybe a week or two more.im waiting.
 
theblondebomber said:
im on my second week of tren,prop enanthate.so far not much.and im getting ready for a show in june.yea im getting leaner but its diet and cardio.this is my first time on tren and so far not too impressed.maybe a week or two more.im waiting.
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Dude if been taking Trend for the last 8 weeks and am not getting sides at all
its only 200mg's per week but its great. it takes about 5 weeks to kick in. So hang on and enjoy.
 
i think he mean test enth when he says "enanthate". tren ace should take quicker than 5wks to kick in bro. i hear abround 3wks
 
P4D2A022 said:
i think he mean test enth when he says "enanthate". tren ace should take quicker than 5wks to kick in bro. i hear abround 3wks
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yea sorry,i was talking abount test.enanthate.whats so funny i just posed in front of the mirrow and didnt recognize myself.ive never been this lean and big before.granted ive been smaller and lean.i am on high fat high fats and zero carbs.4 weeks into diet ive only lost 7 lb but my weight goes up every few days.mabe its kickin
 
not for me. but with a good diet, i am noticing drastic changes quickly. maybe with a crappy diet and staying on it for a year might still lean you out. but i am going the healthy route. cardio and diet are still what you need to keep spot on, and the results will come before you know it. sometimes it seems long, but it's then you look and it's only been two weeks. hehe. what can you expect to see in two weeks. alot on tren and good diet and cardio is the point
 
P4D2A022 said:
nothing yet? no night sweats or sides? is it def legit?
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The way to tell if your tren is legit...right after injecting if you have a funny taste like a mediciney taste in your mouth then it's the real deal. Also the shit should be a very dark brown like cola syrup before it's diluted with water. If you don't experience that then it may be bunk.
 
I take it you are running tren a, thus the 50mg every other day?

Pat_McCrotch said:
my recent experience with tren is great. It is my new best friend!!! I am doing 50 eod with 100testp eod. I put on abou 10 lbs of muscle so far give or take a few.

When I say my diet is not on I mean I am not counting protien, carbs and fat. I am not dealing with macro nutrients. I just eat. I eat beef, chicken and fish among other things. My cals range from 2000-3000/day. My diet is not on point. I eat hot dogs at work for lunch one day then a salad toped with all kinds of shit the next and so on. i am very very very happy with my gains.


Keep in mind tht if you are not at a point in your trainng where you have busted your ass natty and ate right on or off cycle ever then your heart is not in lifting. You need to do the basics then try some tren. I would never do it as a 1-5th cycle. Use test. Youll do great on test alone.
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i was asking theblondebomber if it was legit. im injecting a little later today. but yeah, im starting out at 50mg eod. hopefully i have a low tolerence!
 
As much as I hate to admit it, you can slack off on your diet (whether intentional or not) and tren will still work its magic... of course, the better the diet, the better the magic.

My avatar pic is of me about a month or so after my last tren ace & prop run... my diet wasn't stellar throughout, as it usually is... I still managed to tighten up though considering my diet at the time, I was only really looking to put on some quality mass, not cut up (but no complaints). Tren still remains one of my favorites!
 
McD's 5 times a week and bring on the ice cream - tren will add 40-50lbs of lean muscle without even training, and you'll be benching your 1RM for 10 in a week of using it.

Honest :p
 
I have used tren many times. I did several cycles before I touched it. And when I did I made the best gains I have ever made. Hard, dry muscle. My diet wasn't precontest good but it wasn't bad. I was stacking it with test enth. I don't understand why one would eat like shit while on a cycle but there are lots of dumbasses out there. If your friend made such great gains eating shitty think about what would have been possilbe if he ate clean. Also, note that just like any other aas I have used, tren made the biggest differnece the first time I used it. I ran 50mg/day, now precontest I run 100mg/day. Some say that is high, and it is, but my body handles it well. I would not reccomend taking over 50mg/day for the first time. It is a harsh drug. Also, I would not take it for a first cycle, I would say one should have a few cycles under their belt before touching it. Some people have a very hard time with it.
 
I have run tren a couple of times always acetate. My diet was always good and it is amazing it will lean you up and make you strong as hell. Only problem with me is that it killed my wind.
 
Tatyana said:
This is my take on it

1. Young ectomorphs (that's the tall and/or slender ones) can really benefit from getting as many calories down thier neck as possible, from whatever source.

One small problem with this, eating a less than healthy diet does develop bad eating patterns, and what you can 'get away with' when you are 16-30 ish isn't what you can get away with for the rest of your life.

2. When people want 'insta' muscle, they do focus on the short term gains and 'brag' about them.

Is this approach going to work in the long term?

Probably not.

3. If you rely on the drugs to make up for shortcomings in your diet and training, you really are shooting yourself in the foot.

You may not be able to juice for life, there are more reasons that health. Even if you avoid the legal aspects of it, there are a number of professional occupations that would frown severely on any drug use (even alcohol), as some professionals are responsible for the well-being of others, and anything that could alter their mental faculties would just be irresponsible and reckless.
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+1
 
Tweakle said:
McD's 5 times a week and bring on the ice cream - tren will add 40-50lbs of lean muscle without even training, and you'll be benching your 1RM for 10 in a week of using it.

Honest :p
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hahaahahah!
 
I been on a tri tren/ prop cyle one week - seriously it kscked in BIG TIME in 5 days.

I know its legit. Often when I burp in the moring I get the tast of cough mixture (the good tasting stuff!). Think this is the taste other bro's were talking of
 
yeah that what i got yesterday (started on thur). didnt get the cough tho, but im SCARED SHITLESS when i inject in my quads on monday and wed
 
IronmanLV said:
The way to tell if your tren is legit...right after injecting if you have a funny taste like a mediciney taste in your mouth then it's the real deal. Also the shit should be a very dark brown like cola syrup before it's diluted with water. If you don't experience that then it may be bunk.
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My tren is legit and I dont get that taste at all. Everyone has different sides and experiences with it
 
yourmomgoestocollege said:
I take it you are running tren a, thus the 50mg every other day?
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Yea with test p.
 
IronmanLV said:
The way to tell if your tren is legit...right after injecting if you have a funny taste like a mediciney taste in your mouth then it's the real deal. Also the shit should be a very dark brown like cola syrup before it's diluted with water. If you don't experience that then it may be bunk.
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What's the deal with diluting with water?
 
338lapua said:
Never had tren cough or funny taste in my mouth either and I no it was legit all of it.
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That's kind of strange...Most everyone I know who has had real Tren have at least experienced the mediciny taste and most the cough immediately after injecting. Are you sure it was the real deal? A lot of time scammers will use test suspension and color it because it's cheaper (about 1/4 the cost) than tren but the user gets something out of using it just not the same as with tren. This is an old scammer's trick.
 
i got alot leaner with tren but i also got a shitload of anxiety too had to stop not for me i guess i`ll stick to test and eq winny for now
 
tried the 20ml and strength and aggression went through the roof. Was doing dumbell shoulder presses with the 100's 12 reps and lovin it. was doing 100mg eod, had to back off to 75mg cause it was too damn strong. Felt like a animal. And this was without stacking, only did about 15 shots. Next time will probally start off at 50mg.
If you ask me not for the novice, the aggression could get you in trouble
 
I have never ran Tren or any other AAS for that matter, but I have seen first hand what Tren can do. My good bro ran Test C and Tren A for 6 months straight last year. He went from the 198 pound class the the 242 pound class and was ripped to shreds. This dude lives off Taco Bell and Dr Pepper. His bench went from the upper 400s to the Mid 600s (shirted or course). His PCT was Clomid for three weeks. Nothing else. He crashed hard of course, but he stayed at around a lean 230. Unbelievable.
 
H.I.T.MAN07 said:
tried the 20ml and strength and aggression went through the roof. Was doing dumbell shoulder presses with the 100's 12 reps and lovin it. was doing 100mg eod, had to back off to 75mg cause it was too damn strong. Felt like a animal. And this was without stacking, only did about 15 shots. Next time will probally start off at 50mg.
If you ask me not for the novice, the aggression could get you in trouble
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was this ur first run w tren? i just bumped mine up to 75mg eod today. today is day 7. after reading ur post im starting to think if i should drop it down to 50mg eod
 
SouthernLord said:
I have never ran Tren or any other AAS for that matter, but I have seen first hand what Tren can do. My good bro ran Test C and Tren A for 6 months straight last year. He went from the 198 pound class the the 242 pound class and was ripped to shreds. This dude lives off Taco Bell and Dr Pepper. His bench went from the upper 400s to the Mid 600s (shirted or course). His PCT was Clomid for three weeks. Nothing else. He crashed hard of course, but he stayed at around a lean 230. Unbelievable.
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thats insane dude. i can only imagine what hed look like on a good diet. and im sure he wondered that too haha
 
My 2 Cents:

This is my second run on Tren. Tren is not a miracle drug. First time, I really didn't eat like I was supposed to. Results: Bigger, but not leaner. Stayed at 17-18% BF.

Bottom line is: you don't eat right, you're wastin' your time and money. I'm stickin' to a fairly strict eating regimen this time and I'll post results mid June!
 
TheGooch said:
My 2 Cents:

This is my second run on Tren. Tren is not a miracle drug. First time, I really didn't eat like I was supposed to. Results: Bigger, but not leaner. Stayed at 17-18% BF.

Bottom line is: you don't eat right, you're wastin' your time and money. I'm stickin' to a fairly strict eating regimen this time and I'll post results mid June!
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gotcha. what about strength gains?
 
IronmanLV said:
That's kind of strange...Most everyone I know who has had real Tren have at least experienced the mediciny taste and most the cough immediately after injecting. Are you sure it was the real deal? A lot of time scammers will use test suspension and color it because it's cheaper (about 1/4 the cost) than tren but the user gets something out of using it just not the same as with tren. This is an old scammer's trick.
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I have done tren quite a few times. I know it was real because I made it myself. Ive never experienced tren cough or a medicine taste either.
 
the elite addict said:
I have done tren quite a few times. I know it was real because I made it myself. Ive never experienced tren cough or a medicine taste either.
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thats awesome. i hope im that lucky... when u get the medicine taste tho, do u automatically get the cough right after? or can u just get medicine taste w out the cough?
 
P4D2A022 said:
was this ur first run w tren? i just bumped mine up to 75mg eod today. today is day 7. after reading ur post im starting to think if i should drop it down to 50mg eod
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This was not first time with Tren. Ran it a few years ago for a couple of months. That was QV 75mgs/ml did that eod,and it was good. This last time it seemed to be alot stronger, and I could feel it about 1/2 hr after shot. If you feel ok at 75 stay with that,if not go down to 50. Everyone is different. The other thing I would change for next time, I would do a pre cycle cutting phase to get even better gains
 
P4D2A022 said:
what do u mean a pre cycle cutting phase hitman? honestly never heard of it before
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Pre-Cycle cutting phase is when you get rid of extra body fat before a cycle to optimize gains as well as cuts. With the lower body fat you will decrease your chances of converting to progestrone w/ tren or estrogen w/test. Overall the quality of gains is improved, vs starting with a higher b/f
 
TheGooch said:
My 2 Cents:

This is my second run on Tren. Tren is not a miracle drug. First time, I really didn't eat like I was supposed to. Results: Bigger, but not leaner. Stayed at 17-18% BF.

Bottom line is: you don't eat right, you're wastin' your time and money. I'm stickin' to a fairly strict eating regimen this time and I'll post results mid June!
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Gooch,

When you say your gonna eat right do you mean low carns/ high protein/ moderate fat? WIm nearly 2 weeks in a tren/ prop/ winny cycle. How many grams carbs a day/ calories you lookin at?
 
H.I.T.MAN07 said:
Pre-Cycle cutting phase is when you get rid of extra body fat before a cycle to optimize gains as well as cuts. With the lower body fat you will decrease your chances of converting to progestrone w/ tren or estrogen w/test. Overall the quality of gains is improved, vs starting with a higher b/f
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oh ok. that def sounds like a good idea. im considering that before my next cut cycle now. thanks man
 
I actually did that this time, and lost a lot of weight before I started... I was coming off a shoulder injury which didnt allow me to workout for about 8 months. I started gettin a little extra body fat so for a month I went on a serious diet cutting out carbs and fat and lost about ten lbs of fat.. and got down to the lowest weight Ive been in about 8 years probably.. and Im 5'6 so without being able to workout and dropping all that weight i was light. I worked out natty for 2 months and gained back that ten lbs in muscle, and bf% was lower, now that im starting the tren cycle, the lean gains should be quality.
 
Everyones talking about running tren ace and test prop to get lean, Does test prop not make you retain water and get all bloded?????????
 
squatmonkey said:
Im sorry I cant spell worth shit I meant bloated.
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LOL

Yeah I cant spell either, not with my laptop in this awkward position!

Im on the same cycle dude - running maintenance dose aromasin (10mged) which keeps me dry + lean keto diet - high fat/ high protein/ no carbs. Im leaning up nicely
 
Yea man..runnin tren with 500mg sust and 400mg eq.. and an AI...no water retention whatsoever. Weight gain hasnt been that dramatic, but who cares...strength going up like crazy so im lifting more, and leaning out at the same time. My whole body structure has changed already, cant wait for the next few weeks.
 
body fat perc has absolutely nothing to do with chances of convert to e or prog.

H.I.T.MAN07 said:
Pre-Cycle cutting phase is when you get rid of extra body fat before a cycle to optimize gains as well as cuts. With the lower body fat you will decrease your chances of converting to progestrone w/ tren or estrogen w/test. Overall the quality of gains is improved, vs starting with a higher b/f
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P4D2A022 said:
thats awesome. i hope im that lucky... when u get the medicine taste tho, do u automatically get the cough right after? or can u just get medicine taste w out the cough?
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I get that medicine taste almost everytime I hit the glute. This morning immediately after dose I got like a sharpness in lungs for second time almost like a cough but then went away... Then this afternoon freaking pounded back in teh gym. :D
 
Dumbest thing to do is eat junk. So I'm not saying this is right. However I did eat junk on tren. Iate healthy meats, fast food, protein shakes, just everything. Tren has a way of taking a lot of what comes in and emphasizing the protein aspect. I cut and lost fat and it was great, however just imagine if diet is spot on. That would be truly beast mode.

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