Tren A, Pros and Cons

[2ndfirehawk]

Hey guys i've read alot on Tren A, and I hear alot of mixed feelings. Some say its POISON, and some say its a gift from god, so Please give me your input, It'd be greatly appreciated. Pros and Cons welcome!

Thanks guys

 

[CRXsiR29]

i did tren A over the summer, i was like u couldnt find any info on it so ill tell u my story.


i ran it for 6 weeks at 300mg a week , i was also on 800mg of test enanthate.

im 22 5'9 i was 187lbs and it made me so lean and unnaturally shredded i thought it was awesome.
Ironically my gf hated the look. my strength shot up i close gripped 225 6x one week , than 16x the following week for an example.

But i didnt sleep at night ever , it made me somewhat psychotic , had the werided dreams made me think about such weird shit u just dont wanna dream or think about.

I had a shaved in summer , when i grew my hair back i have very noticable hairloss on the topback part of my head , it thinned out.

Also it gave me the worst acne ever , on my chest shoulders and back , which started clearing up as soon as i stopped using tren.

I also went up to 195 after i came off tren and stayed on test.


i def looked like a "freak" on it but i wouldnt wanan take my shirt off cause of the acne.

im my opinon it wasent worth it , id say dont do it

 

[elgenyo]

just to contrast I'll give you my experience with Tren:

I'm currently on week 6 of a 8 week cycle of Tren A75, Tesp P100. I experienced the night sweats, and I've had tren cough once. I have not experienced erectile dysfunction however I have noticed a decrease in desire until I added the Test. I have become noticeably more vascular however my bf around my midsection hasn't changed. I have not noticed any incredible strength gains however I have experienced endurance gains. I'm skeptical that my Tren A was legit or dosed accurately. The only reason I feel otherwise is the night sweats and tren cough. It is possible that my body doesn't respond to Tren like others do. Considering my experience with this batch from a credible source I would say I will not be trying Tren again. For the amount of possible side effects and the difficulty of diagnosing estrogen gyno vs. prolactin gyno I'd say for me it's just not worth it.

 

[2ndfirehawk]

I experienced somewhat the same gains. I am 21, 5/9 and started off at 165 lbs..I did 75mg EOD for 5 weeks. Thats all i took, no test. My strength went through the roof, by the last week my bench was 315 for sets of 8, felt great.

All i experienced in the terms of side effects was weird dreams as well, not insomnia, just weird dreams like you said. Also my cardio went to hell, almost couldnt breathe at all after a hard set. Didnt have any acne as issues but i did feel light headed after a hard workout. Almost like i had low blood sugar, like the shakes. Haven't had anything like that since i cycled off.

i did tren A over the summer, i was like u couldnt find any info on it so ill tell u my story.


i ran it for 6 weeks at 300mg a week , i was also on 800mg of test enanthate.

im 22 5'9 i was 187lbs and it made me so lean and unnaturally shredded i thought it was awesome.
Ironically my gf hated the look. my strength shot up i close gripped 225 6x one week , than 16x the following week for an example.

But i didnt sleep at night ever , it made me somewhat psychotic , had the werided dreams made me think about such weird shit u just dont wanna dream or think about.

I had a shaved in summer , when i grew my hair back i have very noticable hairloss on the topback part of my head , it thinned out.

Also it gave me the worst acne ever , on my chest shoulders and back , which started clearing up as soon as i stopped using tren.

I also went up to 195 after i came off tren and stayed on test.


i def looked like a "freak" on it but i wouldnt wanan take my shirt off cause of the acne.

im my opinon it wasent worth it , id say dont do it

 

[2ndfirehawk]

Hmm, interesting. I was a sweaty mess too, while working out that is. Drank at least 3X the amount of water while on as i would normally. That was my problem, I dont know if the suppliers around here are legit or not, so i brewed up my own batch. Relatively easy i must say.

Any more opinions as to health reasons not to use Tren A?

Thanks guys, much appreciated

just to contrast I'll give you my experience with Tren:

I'm currently on week 6 of a 8 week cycle of Tren A75, Tesp P100. I experienced the night sweats, and I've had tren cough once. I have not experienced erectile dysfunction however I have noticed a decrease in desire until I added the Test. I have become noticeably more vascular however my bf around my midsection hasn't changed. I have not noticed any incredible strength gains however I have experienced endurance gains. I'm skeptical that my Tren A was legit or dosed accurately. The only reason I feel otherwise is the night sweats and tren cough. It is possible that my body doesn't respond to Tren like others do. Considering my experience with this batch from a credible source I would say I will not be trying Tren again. For the amount of possible side effects and the difficulty of diagnosing estrogen gyno vs. prolactin gyno I'd say for me it's just not worth it.

 

[downunder hunter]

I am a fan of tren ace personally, ive ran it twice, currently i'm on 75mg eod with 175mg prop eod and winny 50mg ed. When it first kicked in i got a bit of acne on my back, shoulders and chest. I bought some benzyl peroxide 10% cream and started using that after the 2-3 showers i have a day and it cleared up. I had insomnia and night sweats also but i started taking sleeping tablets and i would sleep like a baby, i havent taken them for weeks now and i sleep fine maybe my body has normalised itself. It did increase my prolactin aboce average so i started taking 2.5mg of bromo daily and that fixed that problem quick smart too One more thing with tren is it made me a bit agitated some of the time, id get a weird edgy feeling and i would have no patience but that was only from time to time far from roid rage. Other side effects were huge strength gains, drop in bf and a more hard defined look.

 

[CRXsiR29]

yea i would honestly just stick to Test then maybe in a few years do some growth with the test , tren has to many side effects for something thats just gonna ware off when ur done with it anything , i went back and forth wondering if it should do it or not , and now i wish ijust never did it

 

[CRXsiR29]

also i felt like a wasent big or lean at all on that stuff it just messed with your head , ill post a picture of what i looked like if u want and ull see that i was clearly not thinkin correctly

 

[ALIN]

Hey guys i've read alot on Tren A, and I hear alot of mixed feelings. Some say its POISON, and some say its a gift from god, so Please give me your input, It'd be greatly appreciated. Pros and Cons welcome!

Thanks guys

When used correctly one of the best,,strongest AAS
ever created. Definitely not for everyone. More for the advanced
level athlete IMO.

 

[EZ_E]

I have run Tren A twice and I LOVED it and will be running it again...

Along with prop/mast tren a gave me the lean, vascular look I want to have...

Pinning slowwwwwly elminates tren cough and I can deal with the insomnia....night sweats and shortness of breath weren't an issue (knock wood) and I wasn't irritable (maybe from the euphoric feeling I got from the mast)

And for what it's worth, Tren E gave me some bad irritability sides, so I stick with Tren A now....

To sum up, I love me some Tren A

~EZ

~EZ

 

[tbone1966]

love the tren a pinin the morning sleep at nite pin late in the day no sleep.weird dreams but i kind of like it freaky shit.pimple one or two a week could be the test.my gains are amazing.hope i can come off.like the others say not for every one.

 

[Therealdeal06555]

Tren is the best by far...add test and masteron Oh my..the ultimate cycle IMO and many others...Yes there are some harsher sides compared to other aas..but no pain no game..and the worse the sides..the better the gear..
Took Tren ace with prop and mast 300mgs/wk for 12 weeks...Couldnt ask for anything more..veins, strength, hard looking muscles...What else do you want? Thats what were all looking for right?
Every summer cycle from now will be Tren/mast/test....trying Ena blends this summer..hope its powerful shit..

 

[UK_Chemical_Enhancement]

Interesting responses here after reading through the thread, is Tren worth attempting for a second cycle? (my last was just a basic 10 week Test E), I want to keep my cycles as 'lean' as possible and I found test bloated me out a lot (even with an AI).

 

[2ndfirehawk]

also i felt like a wasent big or lean at all on that stuff it just messed with your head , ill post a picture of what i looked like if u want and ull see that i was clearly not thinkin correctly

Sure thatd be great!

 

[2ndfirehawk]

I have run Tren A twice and I LOVED it and will be running it again...

Along with prop/mast tren a gave me the lean, vascular look I want to have...

Pinning slowwwwwly elminates tren cough and I can deal with the insomnia....night sweats and shortness of breath weren't an issue (knock wood) and I wasn't irritable (maybe from the euphoric feeling I got from the mast)

And for what it's worth, Tren E gave me some bad irritability sides, so I stick with Tren A now....

To sum up, I love me some Tren A

~EZ

~EZ

Thats great, sounds like it somewhat agrees with you.

What do you use for your PCT?

I actually finished my cycle about a month ago and was just taking Tren A 75mg EOD. Had nice results, strength gains through the roof and noticeable size gains.

 

[joe d]

Hey guys i've read alot on Tren A, and I hear alot of mixed feelings. Some say its POISON, and some say its a gift from god, so Please give me your input, It'd be greatly appreciated. Pros and Cons welcome!

Thanks guys

tren is a verry strong steroid. it will give great results. it is also extremely bad for you. it is verry hard on your body. those that chose to ignore this or not beleive it do not suffer any less.

i dont understand why i was so stupid to run it but i did. after facing the reality of its effects i will never touch it again. nothing is more impoetant than your health. without it all of your other goals are impossible to reach.

 

[glennds]

this forum ought to have a sticky about the drawbacks of tren by now, because there is a new thread about it every week.

you young bucks probably think you are immune to the negative effects of elevated bloodwork, but us not-so-young-bucks take that kinda thing seriously. tren fucks up your liver enzymes, BP, and BAD cholestrol levels signifcantly. it causes night sweats: unless you have woken up in the middle of the nigth with your sheets soaking wet (in winter!) you cant appreciate how unpleasant it is.

ya ya ya i know not eveyrone will experience these same sides...and they will go away if you stop using. still, not worth it. i never had these issues with other
AAS.

 

[2ndfirehawk]

Tren is the best by far...add test and masteron Oh my..the ultimate cycle IMO and many others...Yes there are some harsher sides compared to other aas..but no pain no game..<b>and the worse the sides..the better the gear..</b>
Took Tren ace with prop and mast 300mgs/wk for 12 weeks...Couldnt ask for anything more..veins, strength, hard looking muscles...What else do you want? Thats what were all looking for right?
Every summer cycle from now will be Tren/mast/test....trying Ena blends this summer..hope its powerful shit..

see thats what im trying to stay away from..I want to use this stuff healthy...I would also like to make it past 35 without my blood pressure permeantly through the roof and my liver so fuked the doctors think i have been an alcoholic since i was 5.

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[downunder hunter]

Since my first post my thoughts on tren have changed a bit, I dont know if its the bromo or the tren, or the combination of the two but i have felt run down and very short of energy for almost the entire length i have been using it. Im pretty over it by now, i guess i ignored it because of the results i was getting but i miss the euphoric feeling i get off test, the tren/bromo combo has ruines that for me, i will reconsider using it again just for this reason

 

[glennds]

Since my first post my thoughts on tren have changed a bit, I dont know if its the bromo or the tren, or the combination of the two but i have felt run down and very short of energy for almost the entire length i have been using it. Im pretty over it by now, i guess i ignored it because of the results i was getting but i miss the euphoric feeling i get off test, the tren/bromo combo has ruines that for me, i will reconsider using it again just for this reason

i though i knew all the popular AAS but no nothing about bromo. will have to read up on that one. any input appreciated.

 

[downunder hunter]

i though i knew all the popular AAS but no nothing about bromo. will have to read up on that one. any input appreciated.

Its not an AAS its a prescription med to lower prolactin levels, bromocriptine. Cabergoline is a better option i have heard but it is unavailable in Australia. Deca and tren will be left out of my cycles in the near future as i feel like crap. Tren is also known to leave you felling run down and i think the combination of the two just sucks. Test E, Dbol, Eq will be my next

 

[BlackIron220]

Its not an AAS its a prescription med to lower prolactin levels, bromocriptine. Cabergoline is a better option i have heard but it is unavailable in Australia. Deca and tren will be left out of my cycles in the near future as i feel like crap. Tren is also known to leave you felling run down and i think the combination of the two just sucks. Test E, Dbol, Eq will be my next

when u say run down, u mean lethargic right? if so, that is how i felt

 

[downunder hunter]

when u say run down, u mean lethargic right? if so, that is how i felt

Yep lethargic most of the time!

 

[BlackIron220]

i know what u mean then. freakin zombie

 

[Morichi]

I have cycled Tren A 5 different times over the years. It works so well for me that I cycle it alone. I experience great strength gains and always gain 25 to 30 pounds. the most noticeable side effects are workout and night sweats and some acne which are manageable. The one side effect that will most likely sideline my tren use is the hair loss! Every time my hair recedes a bit more and it is now to the point where I cant take any more loss . Those who dont have male patterned boldness in their family may not experience it. I believe its the best aas out there.

 

[EZ_E]

Thats great, sounds like it somewhat agrees with you.

What do you use for your PCT?

I actually finished my cycle about a month ago and was just taking Tren A 75mg EOD. Had nice results, strength gains through the roof and noticeable size gains.

No Test?

On that cycle I ran, HCG for the last couple of weeks. Then Unleashed and Suatain.

I have since replaced the HCG with HCGenerate from NTBM.com

 

[bblazer]

It is interesting to note that those who have posted their size are relatively small dudes looking at taking the biggest kid on the block when it comes to AAS. IF you are 5'9" and not even close to 200 lbs and thinking of using tren something is wrong. You aren't even close to your potential yet. But you still want to use what many would call the most poisonous AAS there is?

And I love the comment about the harsher the sides the better the juice. Are you off your friggin rocker? Seriously.

AAS is not a game. Sides are not a game. This shit can and will kill you. Or you can end up like me and have a non functioning pituitary gland.

I am in no way against the use of anabolics. But I just cringe when I read some of this stuff. But hey, who am I to stop you from looking all ripped and jacked this summer while cruising the Jersey shore? Guys like me, joe d, and RADAR are just a bunch of old dudes who just don't get it.

Please, please, please think about what you are doing, and what the long term effects on your body will be. Do you REALLY need something like tren? Does your pro BBing career depend on it?

B-

 

[RADAR]

Thanks bblazer ,you said it as well as i could,you young bucks just keep it up and one day you're going to find yourself with the sex drive of a 70 tr old.

Arnold didn't use Tren and look at him.

RADAR

 

[njmuscleguy]

Here are my thoughts (and this is coming from somsone who's tried tren a number of times)

1) 21 and 22-yr olds using tren.... or ANY other AAS for that matter.... ENOUGH SAID! (sheesh!)

2) Yes, tren does have its sides... it's proported to be one of the harshest AAS out there (up there with a-bombs and d-bol)... but that's because on the flip-side, it's also one of the strongest AAS out there

3) Regarding tren sides... yes, it can cause all of the sides mentioned already (affect lipids, liver enzymes, night sweats, acne, hair loss, etc)...but I have news for you, ALL AAS have these sides to some varying degree... so don't say to yourself "Man, I'm gonna stay away from Tren cuz it has THOSE side effects, so instead I'll run test and deca or d-bol" - you're only kidding yourself

 

[BlackIron220]

njmg - i agree wit ya. 100%

 

[addict]

Pros
Vascularity- this one shits on EQ
Aggression- feel like u can eat a dumbell
Fat loss- people are gonna say tren doesn't burn fat blah blah, directly or indirectly if you change nothing else but add this, BFP will drop guaranteed
Fast- Tren Ace works fast as hell and body fat composition changes within 2 weeks
Freaky- no other steroid will make u look this freaky, (poor mans GH)

Cons
Night sweats- uncomfortable
Insomnia- be going to the gym feeling like u came off a bender
Aggression- you will not believe how short your fuse gets
Pain- I've had pains in my organs, Kidneys ect
Possible fina cough- Hold on cause ur not sure if you gonna have a heart attack
Mood swings- happiness, depression, You'll just be angry and won't know why .......cuz you look great
Fina Dick- possible

In conclusion,
If you run short moderate doses it will be pretty safe but you will not experience its truest potentional (for me at 6 weeks comes freakiness). If you stay on long enough to see what it can really do 8 weeks+, you'll be killing yourself. Overall its not worth it. But yet i keep finding it in my cycles. Once you try it everything else is garbage in comparision. Stay Away!!!!!!!!

 

[BlackIron220]

addict great post. have u run tren a past 8 weeks? i hear after 5 weeks it gets insane. havent been able to run it past 3 weeks. going to start with a really low dose and work up next time

 

[addict]

Have run it from 8-16 weeks on many different occasions. Its always been homebrew. Ran it for 16 weeks twice. DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!! This defines abuse!!! I got away with it the first time but the second long run like that caused major recovery issues besides being insane. Start with a low dose like you said. Every time I've used I gotten great results....even at the lower doses!!!!

 

[BlackIron220]

Have run it from 8-16 weeks on many different occasions. Its always been homebrew. Ran it for 16 weeks twice. DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!! This defines abuse!!! I got away with it the first time but the second long run like that caused major recovery issues besides being insane. Start with a low dose like you said. Every time I've used I gotten great results....even at the lower doses!!!!

What kind of recovery issues exactly? fina dick? shrinkage?

 

[addict]

Finished last shot at the end of July. Now I can't attribute specifically to the length of the fina because i ran fina and eq, but where would you put ur money? Anyway the seeming only side effect was non-existent libido. Attraction was not %100 with the girl i was with so it took me a minute to question it. Erections were at %70 to %80 percent. I knew somethin was up. Got bloodwork done late november......4 months later. Test levels came back at 239...extremely low.

 

[BlackIron220]

gotcha. fina actually made my libido go up. weird. i was only on for 3 weeks so maybe after that it might have gone down?? idk

 

[perryscoon]

I love tren. I pretty much stay on a low dose of tren all the time. I've been on 250mg of tren/week for over a year. But I don't run the ace any more. Its too much of a pain in the ass(no pun intended) to pin every fucking day or even eod. Get the enth version dude. Same results, less pinning.

 

[Varga]

Tren is not for everybody!
I persoanlly dont run past 6 weeks cycles at moderate dosdages of 100mg EOD. My libido increases on it but i also take test with it.
I dont really get the high BP, elevated liver enzymes or sleepness as many mentioned.I sweat on it but not too bad.
The only bad thing i get is that it takes about 2 months to get back to normal after tren. And what I mean by that is my sexual desire is lower and my dick acts weird..lol
But when Im on it is all good is mostly after that I get it
i'd say if you want to use it sparigly is a great steroid but in no way this is for beginners with 2 cycles or so under their belt.

 

[BlackIron220]

increases my libido too... tons of sides for me. lethargy sucks even on 350mg a week

 

[showcaseshowdown]

I love tren. I pretty much stay on a low dose of tren all the time. I've been on 250mg of tren/week for over a year. But I don't run the ace any more. Its too much of a pain in the ass(no pun intended) to pin every fucking day or even eod. Get the enth version dude. Same results, less pinning.

You have been on tren for over a year with no break. Have you ever done a long dose of tren like that before and if so how was your recovery and what did you use pct?

 

[perryscoon]

You have been on tren for over a year with no break. Have you ever done a long dose of tren like that before and if so how was your recovery and what did you use pct?

I took a couple of little breaks. 1 month off for Christmas since I had family stuff to do. Wanted to feel normal. And another week or so in the summer. I'm very use to tren so i can handle it pretty well at work, home, etc. I've had no dick issues this year at that low dose but in the past i have with higher doses. i dont' run pct. I just come completely off for a month then hop back on.

 

[showcaseshowdown]

Perryscoon thats unreal. I love tren and have been on it for about six months at like 350mgs a week. I am going to run pct next month. I too get no sides other than shedding hair, but recently jumped on rogaine foam. I was concerned about pct or rebounding negatively from this; however, after reading you post I have new found hope...

 

[myophil]

tren can be very nasty unless your a steer or heifer. stick with test deca and add some winstrol for extra cut.

 

[glennds]

tren can be very nasty unless your a steer or heifer. stick with test deca and add some winstrol for extra cut.

agreed test/deca is a classic cycle for a reason. too many average juicers way overcomplicate their cycles. test/deca relatively safe too. i get the bloodwork to back up this claim.

i never did winstrol, i am not looking to cut any more. but i am looking for advice to bring up mass with a test/deca cycle.

i am on 500mg cyp/week & NPP EOD). will increasing the test give me more mass? any advice adding another compound to exponentiate results? input appreciated. (btw i can only eat so much food, it goes right thru me . not sure if increasiung the calories will make a difference)

 

[BlackIron220]

adding more test will always give more mass imho bro. npp is also good for mass too. not as much water as deca either. just about everyone i know prefers npp over deca

 

[glennds]

adding more test will always give more mass imho bro. npp is also good for mass too. not as much water as deca either. just about everyone i know prefers npp over deca

thanks blackiron. i love NPP. have used deca. i understand it is virtually the same thing except the esters but i have grown way more than my time on deca.

doesnt it get to the point of the law of diminishing returns if you increase test dosage? will upping to 750mg from 500mg really make a difference, or am i wasting my test?

 

[bblazer]

thanks blackiron. i love NPP. have used deca. i understand it is virtually the same thing except the esters but i have grown way more than my time on deca.

doesnt it get to the point of the law of diminishing returns if you increase test dosage? will upping to 750mg from 500mg really make a difference, or am i wasting my test?

Generally speaking, yes. Ask most guys who have run up to a gram of test, and they say that when you get to the higher levels, it doesn't really offer much more.

B-

 

[brandonp005]

thanks blackiron. i love NPP. have used deca. i understand it is virtually the same thing except the esters but i have grown way more than my time on deca.

doesnt it get to the point of the law of diminishing returns if you increase test dosage? will upping to 750mg from 500mg really make a difference, or am i wasting my test?

It did for me. But I've always heard that once you go over
750/wk, it really isn't worth it. Everyone is going to be a little different though, so you just have to find your sweet spot.

 

[BlackIron220]

its all about "the sweet spot" lol

 

[glennds]

good answers. when you bump to 750mg do you simply inject 2cc vs 1cc? or maybe 1.5cc each inject?

 

[brandonp005]

good answers. when you bump to 750mg do you simply inject 2cc vs 1cc? or maybe 1.5cc each inject?

Mon/Thursday 1.5cc each inject

 

[b fold the truth]

Generally speaking, yes. Ask most guys who have run up to a gram of test, and they say that when you get to the higher levels, it doesn't really offer much more.

B-

I think that most of my friends know that I have some fairly serious health issues and over the last few years my Dr and I have worked with a lot of different substances to see what would benefit my immune system, anemia, fight off muscle wasting, help repair a lot of inner bleeding, and do as little damage to my body as possible.

When we went by "the book" I found that some suggestions nearly gave me a heart attack. When we did large doses of test...I felt like a giant ball of poop and could not even train. We combined 2 things to increase my red blood count and to help fight blood loss and anemia and I thought I would have a heart attack.

In the end...absolutely minimal everything and a tight diet has given me MUCH more gains than HUGE doses ever did. If you are dead or feel like death...you can't train anyway.

 

[glennds]

It did for me. But I've always heard that once you go over
750/wk, it really isn't worth it. Everyone is going to be a little different though, so you just have to find your sweet spot.

i have decided to bite the bullet and up my dosage to 750mg/week from 500mg. i been juicing for few a years now... 500mg was always the ceiling in my mind for test use when stacking. i will upping the test while continuing NPP EOD .

when ui thought about it it really is not that much more AAS . some of the guys here might do 500mg test but combined with three or four other compounds bringint theuir weekly mg into the thousands anyhow.

cycling involves trial and error. i got enough experience under my belt to know you gotta find what works for MY goals. if it doesnt work, you change it or stop.

 

[bobbymack]

Hey guys i've read alot on Tren A, and I hear alot of mixed feelings. Some say its POISON, and some say its a gift from god, so Please give me your input, It'd be greatly appreciated. Pros and Cons welcome!

Thanks guys

im on a tren ace 75mg eod and 25mg winny 25mg proviron cycle this is my 7th day and so far so good got my first decent pump on day three. managed to put on an extra 22lbs on my skullcrushers today and feel good the only side effect i have so far is strange dreams and i woke up with a little sweat last nite my endurance is definatly up 2hr 20min in the gym seems like an hour.
i know for a fact that most of the horrible tren side effects are from adding test to the cycle if you want to do tren without the nasty side effects dont add test the estrogen from test creates the progestorone and that causes the side effects.

i feel happy energised and in great mood with a vary small amount of juice this is gonna be for 6 wks

 

[Bawstin]

It's poison but damn it's good poison.

 

[joe d]

every time i read these post i feal horrible that i used to come in here arguing that high doses are better. i was running so much fucking gear that i nearly killed myself. my heart looked like a streched pile a slime. the fact is you need to keep healthy aswell to grow. being on 3g and being out of breath just from standing up or being part of a conversation is no more supportive of muscle mass than being on a few hundred mg and being healthy. the proof.

me last year- 5'5'' 278lbs 20% bf 2g test susp 1g tren susp ew 8-9k cal diet praying to live
me now- 5'5'' 231lbs 6%bf (contest prep trial i stay under under 12% always) 250mg test e and a light eca stack, 5k super clean cals healthier than i have ever been and able to run a mile.
the difference is my health.

what a dumbass i was to think i needed all that shit. i needed more to support the muscle that my deminishing health was wasting. if you keep your number 1 focus on health you will need less gear. less is definately more.

and i say screw tren all together that stuff is poison

 

[Bawstin]

every time i read these post i feal horrible that i used to come in here arguing that high doses are better. i was running so much fucking gear that i nearly killed myself. my heart looked like a streched pile a slime. the fact is you need to keep healthy aswell to grow. being on 3g and being out of breath just from standing up or being part of a conversation is no more supportive of muscle mass than being on a few hundred mg and being healthy. the proof.

me last year- 5'5'' 278lbs 20% bf 2g test susp 1g tren susp ew 8-9k cal diet praying to live
me now- 5'5'' 231lbs 6%bf (contest prep trial i stay under under 12% always) 250mg test e and a light eca stack, 5k super clean cals healthier than i have ever been and able to run a mile.
the difference is my health.

what a dumbass i was to think i needed all that shit. i needed more to support the muscle that my deminishing health was wasting. if you keep your number 1 focus on health you will need less gear. less is definately more.

and i say screw tren all together that stuff is poison

It takes a big man to admit he's wrong. Good for you that you're healthier. 3g is a wee bit crazy

 

[2ndfirehawk]

i know what u mean then. freakin zombie

Yup same here, even made get the shakes everyonce in awhile..shakes meaning it felt my blood sugar was low..so I'd drink some OJ real quick and perk up

 

[glennds]

i never got the whole low blood sugar thing. you feel different when you have low blood sugar?

 

[2ndfirehawk]

It is interesting to note that those who have posted their size are relatively small dudes looking at taking the biggest kid on the block when it comes to AAS. IF you are 5'9" and not even close to 200 lbs and thinking of using tren something is wrong. You aren't even close to your potential yet. But you still want to use what many would call the most poisonous AAS there is?

And I love the comment about the harsher the sides the better the juice. Are you off your friggin rocker? Seriously.

AAS is not a game. Sides are not a game. This shit can and will kill you. Or you can end up like me and have a non functioning pituitary gland.

I am in no way against the use of anabolics. But I just cringe when I read some of this stuff. But hey, who am I to stop you from looking all ripped and jacked this summer while cruising the Jersey shore? Guys like me, joe d, and RADAR are just a bunch of old dudes who just don't get it.

Please, please, please think about what you are doing, and what the long term effects on your body will be. Do you REALLY need something like tren? Does your pro BBing career depend on it?

B-

You hit the nail on the head man..you really did. This is why i made the thread for. Here is my perdiciment though...My local supplier dried up so i resorted to home brewing my own tren A..and i felt weird while on cycle. I did my research and wanted to ask first hand what ppl really think of Tren A.. My supplier dried up and all i can do is home brew....

 

[2ndfirehawk]

i never got the whole low blood sugar thing. you feel different when you have low blood sugar?

Yeah man very different. I got blurred vision and my hands were shaking real bad. not noticable to anyone looking at me but i knew something wasn't right. I'd hurry up and eat something or drink down some oj. real bad feeling

 

[2ndfirehawk]

every time i read these post i feal horrible that i used to come in here arguing that high doses are better. i was running so much fucking gear that i nearly killed myself. my heart looked like a streched pile a slime. the fact is you need to keep healthy aswell to grow. being on 3g and being out of breath just from standing up or being part of a conversation is no more supportive of muscle mass than being on a few hundred mg and being healthy. the proof.

me last year- 5'5'' 278lbs 20% bf 2g test susp 1g tren susp ew 8-9k cal diet praying to live
me now- 5'5'' 231lbs 6%bf (contest prep trial i stay under under 12% always) 250mg test e and a light eca stack, 5k super clean cals healthier than i have ever been and able to run a mile.
the difference is my health.

what a dumbass i was to think i needed all that shit. i needed more to support the muscle that my deminishing health was wasting. if you keep your number 1 focus on health you will need less gear. less is definately more.

and i say screw tren all together that stuff is poison

Wow, man that's insane. I am in a predicament though. I would not use tren but my local supplier dried up...

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I only read the first two pages...

I will share my experience.. It's with Parabolan (trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) quite a bit longer acting than acetate...

I was only taking 100mgs a week, with my andropen 275 (like sus) ...

I have to say.. even that dose fucked with me a little bit.. I didn't know much about tren then.. I didn't have insomnia or odd dreams, perhaps the dose was too low for that.. I did sweat quite a bit more when sleeping.. and I ran out of breath walking up stairs..

Mass strength and a little fat loss were great though.. I felt "weird" the whole time using it though.. like my head wasn't right.. more aggressive etc..

I will use tren again, but at a lower dose than most do.. and only for shorter periods at a time..

A lot of you are calling it out for being harsh on your cholesterol.. but I'd be more worried about the shortness of breath, insomnia and such that came from it...

...seeing as most of you use winstrol...which ruins your cholesterol at 6mgs/day...

 

[Varga]

Perryscoon thats unreal. I love tren and have been on it for about six months at like 350mgs a week. I am going to run pct next month. I too get no sides other than shedding hair, but recently jumped on rogaine foam. I was concerned about pct or rebounding negatively from this; however, after reading you post I have new found hope...

You are going to have a hard time recovering unfortunately...6 months on tren is way too long to recover from.

 

[Varga]

I agree more is not always better. As a I got older I got smarter and learned my limits or sweet spot as some call it.
I really dont venture past 1gr of gear any more. Is either 1gr by itself or combined but is 1gr or less regardless.
350mg of tren is sufficient for a cycle along with 500mg of test you taking 850mg of juice. If you cant grow on that then you need to check source, diet or exercise.
I wouldnt run tren more than 6 weeks maybe 8weeks at most. Honestly if you think you need more gear to grow then is time to hit IGF and Growth. Once you do these 2 comounds for 6 months to 1 year on/off then a minimal amount of test will blow you up past you old gains. In other words you pretty much blew up whatever muscle cells you had and it's time to grow new ones.

 

[glennds]

I agree more is not always better. As a I got older I got smarter and learned my limits or sweet spot as some call it.
.

i have been on this board several years now. the term "sweet spot" keeps coming up. it is a great term actually. your sweet spot is particular to only you.

it takes years of trial and error, and experience to find what works best for you . start small, you dont have to rush into a huge cycle and stack. in my experience less is more .

 

[BlackIron220]

cons for me are shitty sleep now. aggression isnt too bad

 

[Varga]

i have been on this board several years now. the term "sweet spot" keeps coming up. it is a great term actually. your sweet spot is particular to only you.

it takes years of trial and error, and experience to find what works best for you . start small, you dont have to rush into a huge cycle and stack. in my experience less is more .

True,
There are many variables that dictate dosage, just because someone takes boat load of gear doesnt necessarely mean you will gain more weight than taking less gear but using it in a smarter way.

 

[d_ant11]

I just did my first gear cycle ever. 0.5 cc of Tren every other day for 4 weeks. I didn't stack with anything else.

I experienced a very low libido (wife wasn't too happy bout that), couldn't sleep til I was absolutely exhausted, sore/hard nipples, and I was irritable/short fuse.

I noticed a big strength/endurance difference my first wkout to my last. With a little rest between sets I could lift all day with the same weight as previous set. My pump was better than anything I've ever experience in my lifetime. It's been 2 weeks since I have been off tren, I stopped lifting because of a weeks worth of rest then I took a week vacation with my wife and 5 kids and I still have the gains I made.....size wise. My sexual desires are back to normal, I can sleep, and i'm in a much better mood. I didn't do any PCT either. BTW - I'm 36yrs, 5'9", 212lbs, and my BF% is probably 22-25%. Most of the BF is my gut and spare tire and I am somewhat defined everywhere else????? The reason I am using gear is because whenever I try to better my diet and do cardio to lose weight I end up losing way too much muscle and not much of my midsection. I have a complex about being skinny again. I had two different workouts and did one on Monday/Thursday and the other Tues/Fri. Didn't do any cardio because I was worried about not gaining muscle while on gear.

I plan on doing another cycle of tren after 6 weeks off. I would like to stack with Clen and T3 and maybe mix in cardio this time around. I'm wondering if I need to look into PCT????

 

[h.m]

I just did my first gear cycle ever. 0.5 cc of Tren every other day for 4 weeks. I didn't stack with anything else.

I experienced a very low libido (wife wasn't too happy bout that), couldn't sleep til I was absolutely exhausted, sore/hard nipples, and I was irritable/short fuse.

I noticed a big strength/endurance difference my first wkout to my last. With a little rest between sets I could lift all day with the same weight as previous set. My pump was better than anything I've ever experience in my lifetime. It's been 2 weeks since I have been off tren, I stopped lifting because of a weeks worth of rest then I took a week vacation with my wife and 5 kids and I still have the gains I made.....size wise. My sexual desires are back to normal, I can sleep, and i'm in a much better mood. I didn't do any PCT either. BTW - I'm 36yrs, 5'9", 212lbs, and my BF% is probably 22-25%. Most of the BF is my gut and spare tire and I am somewhat defined everywhere else????? The reason I am using gear is because whenever I try to better my diet and do cardio to lose weight I end up losing way too much muscle and not much of my midsection. I have a complex about being skinny again. I had two different workouts and did one on Monday/Thursday and the other Tues/Fri. Didn't do any cardio because I was worried about not gaining muscle while on gear.

I plan on doing another cycle of tren after 6 weeks off. I would like to stack with Clen and T3 and maybe mix in cardio this time around. I'm wondering if I need to look into PCT????

if your goal is to only keep muscle while dieting, use a low dose of test or something like that.. or maby some anavar.. tren was a pretty bad choice. especially since your a little up in the age..
use an AI with test and you wont experience any bloat.

 

[d_ant11]

if your goal is to only keep muscle while dieting, use a low dose of test or something like that.. or maby some anavar.. tren was a pretty bad choice. especially since your a little up in the age..
use an AI with test and you wont experience any bloat.

Thanks h.m.! I definitely need to add muscle too. I would like to know details on why Tren was a bad choice if you wouldn't mind explaining. I feel that would really help in my learning process.

Originally I had it in my mind that I needed to add muscle before I tried to lose fat. I guess I still feel that way and I was very happy with my gains on tren. I was 205 when I started tren and after 4 weeks I am 212 but I look quite a bit slimmer in the mid section.

So, test or anavar with an AI. With low dose do I need to do a PCT?

 

[h.m]

already talked to you on tren on PM, so I guess thats all good?

So, test or anavar with an AI. With low dose do I need to do a PCT?

Anavar i would personally not run any AI. or anti-e at all. you may need it if you are extremely prone to gyno.

low dose on test will still shut you down. if you run it longer than 6 weeks I would recommend to use hcg.
I have not tried need2's products, but I hear a lot of good thing about it. try it, if you can get it. remember blood work this time for next cycle. compare, before an after. some do mid cycle too. whatever you want to do, a minimum should be to test your blood pressure before cycle.

read the pct sticky on how to use hcg

 

[d_ant11]

already talked to you on tren on pm, so i guess thats all good?


anavar i would personally not run any ai. Or anti-e at all. You may need it if you are extremely prone to gyno.

Low dose on test will still shut you down. If you run it longer than 6 weeks i would recommend to use hcg.
I have not tried need2's products, but i hear a lot of good thing about it. Try it, if you can get it. Remember blood work this time for next cycle. Compare, before an after. Some do mid cycle too. Whatever you want to do, a minimum should be to test your blood pressure before cycle.

Read the pct sticky on how to use hcg

very helpful info. Thanks much!