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Top Reasons Why Testosterone is a Bad Choice!!

I have never tried Deca so I can't say anything positive or negative on it but I LOVE TEST, I love the way I feel on it, I love the sex drive, and I love the size :D
2Thick, I gotta know, what is your back routine ?

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I would have to agree that test is superior to deca, but deca is a close second and has it's place.

Test is good shit: Gains are faster, more impressive, it's a faster gradification than deca, sex drive through the roof, mentally you feel like a champ...ect ect.

But test has it's drawbacks too: Bloating, larger loss of gains due to water retention, more acne, BAD for prostate (there's always conflicting studies but it's general knowledge that test/dht are the main culprits in BPH as well as (which brings me to my main pont) Male pattern baldness)!

This I think is deca's main advantage...it will not accelerate MPB like other roids (especially test!), and to me this is a HUGE thing. May not be for some guys but I dread going bald, and if you are predisposed to mpb and using test (with or without finasteride) you WILL go bald faster.

Part of the reason we juice is to LOOK BETTER. To me hair is a huge part of looking good, and I would much rather be small than bald.

If it weren't for deca I would have no way to put on mass without comprimising the hair. Deca does a pretty decent job at putting on noticeable mass but you have to be more responsible with diet, where test you can be lazier.

Deca's drawbacks (IMO): Being as I use it by itself the number one problem I have with deca is that it makes me angry/depressed/anxiety ridden, like no other. I now know what it feels like to be a chick with PMS everyday! Compared to test mentally deca sux.

I think you gain more fat with deca because on deca you have to eat bad to get the needed calories and protien. I think it's almost impossible to eat clean and still get the needed calories and protien. So now I'm stuck with higher BF and a slight gut whcih I have to work off somehow later.

2thick,

how the hell can i fight off the irratibility and anger that i get? would RU486 help? do you have the same problem?

If it weren't for fucken MPB I would be a test maniac, but for now i'm stuck with nandralone so it's better than nothing, a lot better.

My hope is that they will cure mpb and I can use test again like i used to.
 
Well, I have to risk getting flamed here somewhat by supporting 2 Thick. I believe deca has gotten a really bad rap as of late, withy the excessive hysteria over progestogeneic sides and such. Personally, I've used both test and deca and on a mg for mg basis I know test is more effective at building muscle due to it's superior anabolic effect. On the other hand, I feel deca is far superior to just about any other mild or moderately androgenic androgen out there at promoting muscle gains and strength. Is it as anabolic as test, tren or orals like D-bol and anadrol? No. But as far as the benefits to costs are concerned, I'd always opt for nandrolone instead of test. If one were to not use any anti-estrogens with test, you would most likely hold a shitload more fluid than deca and have a higher risk of acquiring gyno. Plus test has the tendency to be harsh on the hair as well as the skin and finasteride doesn't have much of an effect on type 1 DHT which affects the skin and leads to acne and boddy hair formation. With deca, I and no one I've ever known has ever had a problem with acne and personally I've never suffered from the overly stereotyped 'deca dick,' even without simulataneous use with test. And if you add winstrol, due to it's anti-progestogenic effects (and winny is very effective at blocking progesterone as far as I'm concerned) one most likely does not have to worry about falling victim to decreased libido or gyno, and nandrolone is not hard on the hair either, so nothing has to be added to inhibit hair loss with its use. With test, if you're prone to hair loss, you must take either a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor such as finasteride or azleic acid and it would also be wise to throw in other compounds such as the anti-androgen spirinolactone and nizoral, etc... Cause nothing is more detrimental to the hairline than test without something to block DHT conversion. Kind of a hassle if you ask me. And muscle and strength gains from deca are far superior on a mg for mg basis compared to EQ (which is sooooooo overrated) and primo (which is a good anabolic with minimal side effects, but is relatively pretty weak and usually impractical due to its cost). Plus deca is not hard on the system either, although test also is pretty easy on the body, but may have detrimental effects on the prostate with excessive use. So all I'm saying is deca is a very worthwhile compound that does have possible side effects, but they can easily be controlled. But I will concur that nandrolone used by itself (without either winstrol and\or at least test) sucks and is just asking for trouble, whereas test can be very effective on it's own. So I'm not trying to argue that it's a more effective androgen than test, but if you want to keep certain superficial side effects to a minimum and don't want to spend extra cash on all kinds of supplementary products (DHT blockers, inhibitors and anti-estrogens) then nandrolone is the better choice. But if you want more bang for your buck (more muscle gained) and don't give a shit about possibly losing hair, getting severe acne and excessive body hair growth and increased water retention (all which can be controlled, but again can get quite expensive) then test is for you. I've done mass cycles with and without test thrown in and I've had success either way, so test is not the must have base androgen in every mass cycle like some people would like you to beleive. You can definitely substitute other highly androgenic compounds in its place such as D-bol or trenbolone and get great results. Everyone is different in how they react to androgens and what side effects they are prone to, as well as what their overall goals are. You want to be a model or a pretty boy? Go with deca. If you want to be a freak at all costs then I'd say test as a base for the majority of your cycles is most likely mandatory or at the very least very practical due to the results it usually gives its users and the relatively low price of it. My .02 cents.
 
BigJay81 said:
:google:
Test Is Cheaper!!!!!!:D

LMAO - I love your input Jay - simple and straight forward...test is cheaper so who cares about the deca crap...

(not flaming 2thick, though - made a good case, but lost...)
 
alternative to deca and test

I really think that test (if not overused) is a very good choice for all AS users. But if you're scared about it, and want a good stack without sides and good results, try this :
EQ for anabolic effects instead of deca
masteron instead of test
add some anavar if you want great progress in strength, too.
No testicular shrinkage, no gyno, no liver toxicity; It could only enlarge your prostate and accelerate baldness.
Up the EQ for mass, or masteron for cutting.
I'm currently on this stack for the end of my cycle (began w. sust/EQ/winnie) and I plan to use it again (bigger doses) for the next one.
 
OK, time to shoot down the TEST club......

Usual BS arguments aside:

1. Deca has LESS SIDES than test.
2. IT HAS A HIGHER ANABOLIC ACTIVITY


(This OF COURSE is when Deca is ADDED to
mifepristone(RU-486) and Test is added to
anastrozole.)

Your whole argument is flawed because you're
comparing TEST STACKED(I repeat STACKED)
with anastrozole while Deca isn't
stacked with anything. Its by itself.

How would test fare by ITSELF? Lets see.....

1. 20-30% of users using would get Gyno
Have you ever heard of someone getting
gyno from 400-600mg of Deca/week???????
I can assure you its less than the number of fingers
on my hand.

2. Your hair would fall out in tatters.....
Test converts to DHT QUITE READILY
What about nandrolone?
It converts to Di-hydro Nadrolone(DHN)
which is FAR, FAR, FAR less nasty
on the hairline.

3. What about anabolic activity?

Would you gain the same amount of muscle from
400mgs/week Test as 400mgs/week Deca???

The answer is A BIG FAT NO. With the Deca you'd gain quality
lean mass, while with the test you'd get some fat+
muscle + LOTS of water.

NO CONTEST.

BY itself Deca far out-shines Test. I STRESS by itself.

BTW, 2Thick, Chemically speaking, Andy13 is right.
"natural test" and "synthetic" test are molecularly
and iso-morphically exactly the same.
(iso-morphically=spatial orientation of the molecules btw.
(in case you're wondering))

Godspeed
 
I like both

but I agree with Fonz. When not stacked Deca has less ugly sides for most.

It is personal preference really. It comes down to what you want and what you can live with. If you gain well from deca and don't get any nasty sides like deca dick (or if the sides just plain don't matter because you don't currently have a girlfriend...hehe) then deca is great. If you just like to be big and strong, water weight or not, and are not susceptible to hairloss or acne then test is great too.

While deca is easier on the hairline for most, it can accelerate baldness in those susceptible.

If only I could stack test and deca I would.:(
 
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