To Deca or Not to Deca

[ryno9000]

I'm gonna be honest, I've never used it. Never been interested, but for some reason lately I'm thinking it would add some much needed anabolism to my next run. I've used NPP, and wasn't all that impressed. Honestly if I could afford Primo I would, but Deca is more in the budget for the anabolism I am looking for - MASS. Anyway...tough debate I know. Some swear by it others won't touch it. The only nandrolone I like is Tren - because it's the only one that the benefits seem to be worth the side effects/suppression. I'm open to argument.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

NPP is deca lol..
If you want a good deca experience, you need to dose over 400mg a week and eat tons of carbs on top of your proteins .

 

[stevesmi]

deca is awesome if you want mass. I would keep the cycle 8 weeks and run a very aggressive PCT. VERY AGGRESSIVE.

also i definately would run hcg during the cycle starting weeks 4 or 5.

 

[gymjunkie09]

i'm on test e/deca/dbol cycle now and up 18lbs in 4 weeks......Not the cleanest gains but i'm gaining mass like crazy. Just be sure to run test a couple weeks past the deca to help prevent libido issues

 

[Gamer2Be08]

The only reason you get libido issues on deca is if your prolactin gets out of control. Which has nothing to do with being on test lol.. Caber is the key .

 

[stevesmi]

deca esthers are 5 weeks.. test long esthers go 3 weeks. hence its a good idea to keep running test 2 weeks after your last deca injection or you will feel a massive crash.

I honestly did not notice a difference in sex drive running cabaser on deca. what i did notice was after deca cycle was over I crashed pretty hard and had to run a very aggressive PCT. but if you want to run deca you need to realize that is the chance you take. my gains were completely worth it but I wouldn't run many deca cycles. maybe 1 every 2 years at the maximum.

 

[ryno9000]

NPP is deca lol..
If you want a good deca experience, you need to dose over 400mg a week and eat tons of carbs on top of your proteins .

Well - yes and no. "Deca" is the common name for nandrolone but is actually just the ester. It would be like saying Enanthate when you really mean test. What I meant to say, just to clarify, was that I have used NPP in small-moderate dose before and didn't think it was that spectacular. THIS time around, I am considering the longer version nandrolone - DECA - in a higher dose in a cycle. So, no reason to LOL, since I know a little about what I'm talking about

 

[ryno9000]

deca esthers are 5 weeks.. test long esthers go 3 weeks. hence its a good idea to keep running test 2 weeks after your last deca injection or you will feel a massive crash.

I honestly did not notice a difference in sex drive running cabaser on deca. what i did notice was after deca cycle was over I crashed pretty hard and had to run a very aggressive PCT. but if you want to run deca you need to realize that is the chance you take. my gains were completely worth it but I wouldn't run many deca cycles. maybe 1 every 2 years at the maximum.

What do you consider an aggressive PCT?

 

[gymjunkie09]

The only reason you get libido issues on deca is if your prolactin gets out of control. Which has nothing to do with being on test lol.. Caber is the key .

ok well you run deca at 300-400mg/week with no test and let me know how that works out for you lol

 

[stevesmi]

What do you consider an aggressive PCT?

I posted a thread a while back on a PCT i tried with deca.

an aggressive PCT would entail hard doses of HCG, finishing with HMG, and then running a low dose SERM of your choice.

IMO and I have no research to back this up. I am a believer that deca doesn't necessarily shut you down any harder then other AAS, but I do believe it shuts you down LONGER simply because the esthers are very stubborn and stick around a while. until those esthers clear your body won't start producing test on its own.

also i saw you wanted to compete, if that is true then deca is a poor choice. my bf% went from 7% to 17% running 2 deca cycles over the course of 1 year. but my mass gains were so tremendous that my head looks small on my body now and my strength gains were incredible too adding 70 pounds to my max bench.

 

[RADAR]

I posted a thread a while back on a PCT i tried with deca.

an aggressive PCT would entail hard doses of HCG, finishing with HMG, and then running a low dose SERM of your choice.

IMO and I have no research to back this up. I am a believer that deca doesn't necessarily shut you down any harder then other AAS, but I do believe it shuts you down LONGER simply because the esthers are very stubborn and stick around a while. until those esthers clear your body won't start producing test on its own.

also i saw you wanted to compete, if that is true then deca is a poor choice. my bf% went from 7% to 17% running 2 deca cycles over the course of 1 year. but my mass gains were so tremendous that my head looks small on my body now and my strength gains were incredible too adding 70 pounds to my max bench.

Have to agree with steve about the long esters hanging around and an agressive PCT ,Some love a deca only cycle ,with no problems, I hate deca ,however i just started taking it at 100mg a wk due to an aggrivating pain in my right side that won't go away,anyway i have notice some degree of painless thanks to deca.

My first experience with Deca i put on more mass that i ever expected ,however due to my diet it was lean shreadded mass ,so i'm tempted to do another deca cycle this spring!

 

[Unrest]

I rekon 8 weeks @300-400mg is a great addition to test,
didn't have any recovery issues on that

 

[Unrest]

depends what your goals are

if your looking for anabolism, you emntioned tren already

personly id go for the tren if your willing to, it kicks decas arse in every department of muscle building properties, strength gains and fat burning abilities

but if your not ready for tren then go deca,

OR IMO if your looking for more anabolism the simplest, most effective and best muscle building option is more testerone

more test = more muscle, less fat, more strength as the rule goes, and this rule seems to hold constant even as high as 3-5 thousand milligrams, NOT SAYING go that high lol, just pointing out that you can simply just run testerone doses higher

Agree 100 percent with this!
Although never used Tren so no comment on that
Test will always be King

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i run it low... but its a great compound

 

[Deltoid_87]

There's absolutely no need to run Test above 500mg a week. Add another compound! A compound more anabolic and androgenic. Test has an anabolic rating of 100 and an andro rating of 100. Deca is slightly more anabolic but less than half as androgenic as Test... Tren has a rating of 500/500 and will of course smash both Deca and Test for tissue building, strength, and also fat burning properties as it will not aromatise. So Ryno u may be disappointed with Deca if u have used Tren. Tren is King. I believe the only injectable steroid more powerful than Tren is MENT (Trestolone acetate)

 

[Deltoid_87]

man state that this is ur OPINION

in all fairness im sure many people including myself will argue that testerone up to 1000mgs is amazing

Notice I said no need... Shit u can run 2 gram of test a week if u like but whats the fuckin point bro gains wont be 4x as amazing only sides will be I know more people will agree with me on this one... I've knocked my Test up to 750mg before and only difference I saw was more hair growth, acne, and raging sex drive. Whatever dose u Want to run is up to u I won't bash anyone for this i'm just saying there's simply no real need especially for us who aren't at a professional level.

 

[ledhead]

There's absolutely no need to run Test above 500mg a week. Add another compound! A compound more anabolic and androgenic. Test has an anabolic rating of 100 and an andro rating of 100. Deca is slightly more anabolic but less than half as androgenic as Test... Tren has a rating of 500/500 and will of course smash both Deca and Test for tissue building, strength, and also fat burning properties as it will not aromatise. So Ryno u may be disappointed with Deca if u have used Tren. Tren is King. I believe the only injectable steroid more powerful than Tren is MENT (Trestolone acetate)

Good Post....Dude! Tren is king, and no need to run test above 500mgs unless you're training for the
Nationals, and then maybe!

 

[ryno9000]

For the record - I love tren, and seeing as I listened to your arguments I guess there is no reason for me to use Deca, I've always been very conservative with tren, doing 50mg/EOD. I will try it at 50mg ED next go around. I have my newest cycle in my sites - getting stoked

 

[Arabian]

i'm on test e/deca/dbol cycle now and up 18lbs in 4 weeks......Not the cleanest gains but i'm gaining mass like crazy. Just be sure to run test a couple weeks past the deca to help prevent libido issues

What are your doses of the Test and Deca? thanks

Im thinking of running my next cycle of
300 per week Deca
500 per week Test
400 of EQ

 

[Essie]

What are your doses of the Test and Deca? thanks

Im thinking of running my next cycle of
300 per week Deca
500 per week Test
400 of EQ

For how long are you planning on running this cycle? It looks good though.

 

[RADAR]

Arabian is no longer here.

 

[gymjunkie09]

For how long are you planning on running this cycle? It looks good though.

I ran this exasct cycle, except 400mg of deca and kicked with anadrol and ran beast at the back end.I put on something like 25 lbs but half of it was fat and water lol....still gained a good amount of muscle, I also did a 5x5 with no cardio...if I could have it back i'd def go about it differently

 

[dvoted]

NPP > Deca .. Limit to speculation and perception amongst uses..
NPP is a short ester deca basically. As mentioned before Deca is great for mass and also smoothing out joints, needed if lifted heavy!
400mgs + for good results good luck and keep us posted!

 

[Essie]

Arabian is no longer here.

FRLOL!!!!! I only checked the date that post was made NOW ... Don't I feel like a TIT now for making that rookie mistake and bumping an old thread.