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drrman

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First off, i don't condone G to anyone, i myself choose to use it and take every precaution to use it very responsibly. Anyways, something in another thread reminded me of this. As you know real G is GHB-Na or sodium G. another form is GHB-K or potassium G. Others include 1,4. Lots of people take straight GBL, which is basically one of two ingredients in GHB. Well, i myself have get mine from a local supplier who i know and trust. I stole some ph strips from my chem lab at school and i decided to test the Ph of my G. It came up 7.5. which is right on target for G. I then took my papers to a club saturday night, and tested some other's G. Believe it or not, three out of the four bottles i tested came up with a ph of 13+, thats almost pure basic, like swallowing pure lye. I just want to tell everyone who has this or buys it to go to a chem shop and purchase a three dollar pack of ph strips and check out their own stuff, just to be safe. If you do happen to have a bottle off high ph G, just get some vinegar and add till the ph checks at or close to 7 which is neutral.
 
I have never used GHB, but want to use it in my next cycle with GH. Why does the ph level make a difference?
 
Thank you for the info, i have a question though, If one has disk cleaner aka 1;4 butandiol, will adding vinegar to it bring the ph down to normal tahnk you so much for your help.
 
I just like to add, for those of you who like to drink but can't cuZ you are on a cycle, ghb is a great alternative.
 
im not that up to date on the precursors such as 1,4, i know i have taken it and it doesn't even compare to good sodium GHB. As for Ph, it is an acidity level test. water is Ph 7, which is neutral. The scale goes from 1 to 14. 1 being most acidic and 14 being most basic. For example, baking soda is a strong base, ph 12 or so, hydrochloric acid ph 1. If the Ph is too high it can burn also. Meaning you can receive internal organ damage by a high or low ph substance. And its easy to be off on ph when making G, for example in a simple recipe, one gram too much sodium hydroxide will make the ph as high as 13 or so. Its really a critical number and should be watched. And el cubano, yes, its definitely the best alternative to drinking in my oppinion also.
 
Just posted in the news

Bodybuilding Drug GBL Linked to Severe Withdrawal

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - People who use bodybuilding supplements containing gamma
butyrolactone (GBL) risk prolonged and potentially life-threatening withdrawal symptoms once they stop taking them, according to researchers.

Lead author Dr. Marco L. A. Sivilotti and colleagues from the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester and Harvard Medical School (news - web sites) in Boston, evaluated five patients during a 6-month period who experienced severe withdrawal after abrupt discontinuation of GBL. All of the patients required the aid of pentobarbital to ease withdrawal symptoms.

``To our knowledge, this is the first detailed report of a withdrawal syndrome attributable to GBL,'' Sivilotti and colleagues write.

Patients who used GBL experienced withdrawal symptoms 1 to 6 hours after their last dose, with symptoms lasting up to 14 days, the researchers report in the December issue of the Annals of

Emergency Medicine.

Urine and blood tests ruled out the possibility that the patients were abusing other types of drugs. The patients ranged in age from 23 to 33 and most were bodybuilders. They had been taking the drug for anywhere from 2 to 9 months. The patients developed anxiety, insomnia, paranoid delusions, tremors, rapid heartbeat and high blood pressure when they stopped taking GBL.

Withdrawal symptoms were so severe, we found that the typical first line of treatment,
benzodiazepines, was not effective,'' said Sivilotti in a prepared statement. ``We had to turn to a stronger drug...to sedate patients and get their vital signs under control.

More than a year ago, the US Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) began warning consumers of the potential dangers of gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) and its chemical cousins, GBL and 1,4 butanediol (BD). These substances are known to suppress the central nervous system and cause vomiting, seizures and coma, but they have not previously been associated with a withdrawal
syndrome.

SOURCE: Annals of Emergency Medicine 2001;38:660-665.
 
Adaptek said:
I have never used GHB, but want to use it in my next cycle with GH. Why does the ph level make a difference?
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If the pH is too high or too low it will burn your insides up.....renal and intestinal damage.

Neither are a cool thing to have.
 
hey DRRman, how much is G going for where you are? here its around 100 bucks for a 16 oz bottle. in clubs people buy it for 5 bucks a "capful."
 
Immortal Juicer said:
hey DRRman, how much is G going for where you are? here its around 100 bucks for a 16 oz bottle. in clubs people buy it for 5 bucks a "capful."
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Where I'm from if you get the Salt, it's $90 for 12oz. (that is if your lucky enuff to find it) The 1-4 Powerade goes for $100 for 32 oz.
 
depends on how much you purchase, but yeh, around 100 bucks for a 16oz bottle is average. thats for a good quality sodium G, theres also some stuff going around here that is what some have labled "chemical" G. It is horrible tasing, about like kerosene and makes everyone get a quick buzz then sick as hell. It checked for a ph of 14 also, probably the reason everyone was getting sick.
 
I posted this also above in the sticky, but can someone who has this disk cleaner 1,4 test its PH and let everyone know? I'm sure you would get mad karma for it, lots of people really want to know. Thanks to whoever does.



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beer and wine are also addictive. why is it that everytime someone sees a ghb post they have to tell you it's addictive? and why don't they post that drinking is addictive when someone posts if they can drink during a cycle?

alcohol is one of the most addictive drugs in the world! ghb can be used responsibly just like alcohol.
 
i think the most addicting thing about g is that there are no negative sides like alcohol. you dont get a hangover, there are no calories, its not toxic, you cant blow for a dui (a very dangerous advantage), and it gives you a little buzz. after taking at night for a while, you get home from a workout, you're bored....why not? lets do some g. thats some addictive shit. at least if you go out and get hammered, you have to pay the next day and you never want to drink again.

drrman - i was in charlotte this summer and there was plenty of g going around. were you just walking around clubs with ph sticks asking people if you could test their g? its a fun city. we went to time, menthos, and some nice two story club....all of them were pretty cool.
 
XXXL said:
beer and wine are also addictive. why is it that everytime someone sees a ghb post they have to tell you it's addictive? and why don't they post that drinking is addictive when someone posts if they can drink during a cycle?

alcohol is one of the most addictive drugs in the world! ghb can be used responsibly just like alcohol.
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GHB is a nasty drug. I have used it and I have used most evry drug there is and ghb caused me the most problems of any drug. Throw in the fact that withdrawals from ghb are worse then opiate withdrawal and I can see no good reason to use it.
If you are on a cycle and you want to go out and have some drinks it is not going to kill you. People get much to paranoid. Just because you are on a cycle does not mean you can't go out and have a few drinks. There is never a good reason to go get shit faced but a few beers or whatever is not going to damage your liver. You are much better off then taking ghb if you must do something.
 
guys i hear what you're sayingIjust find it funny that they always over look the alcohol posts.

anyone who would go home and do a cap just because they have nothing better to do are the same ppl that would sit home and get drunk because there is nothing better to do.

the worst and most deadly detox there is, alcohol.

and YES, you can die from an over dose of G or when mixing it with something you shouldn't. but doesn't that hold true with alcohol? ? ? ? ?

everybody is here to learn. so it's good that bro's post their .02 on the subject. i'm sure there are many on this board that didn't know it's addictive. but like i said. i just find it a little funny/hypocrtical that they don't jump in when there's a post about alcohol.

i hope you guys didn't take that as a flame. just an observation that i found kind of funny. :)
 
im with xxxl, i think g is an ok drug if used appropriately. If you know you have a very addictive personality, then stay away from it. You are the one abusing the G, its not the G's fault.
Immortal, yeh, i know everyone one in charlotte, and yeh, i just took some ph strips and tested a few bottles, amazing the results. And yes, its a cool city, but too many people been busted and too many fucking rats now. Mythos is a cool place, real sketchy now, the two story club you went it was either underground(old midnite til 6) or connections. Or could have been amos's. If you ever come back, hit me up. As for testing ph on 1,4 if its pure 1,4 its probably ok, since everyone here has been taking it for some time. The ph can be off due to the person combining the chemicals in real GHB. Real G is just a combination of an acid(gamma butrylactone), water, and a base(sodium hydroxide). If too much of one is there, the ph is off.
 
I hate to repeat myself but...YOU ARE A WEAK WILLED, EMOTIONALLY UNSOUND INDIVIDUAL, IF YOU LET ANY DRUG CONTROL YOUR LIFE! I laugh histerically whenever I hear of someone addicted to GHB. If anyone should have experienced GHB withdrawls it was me about a month ago while I was in Vegas. I used it virtually around the clock for 6 days straight. Guess what? No withdrawls whatsoever. And afterwards I went back to my normal once every week or so usage. Like XXXL said, if you abuse one drug you'd probably abuse others as well. Alcohol is the nastiest, dirtiest drug out there. GHB is the perfect alternative for those who don't want to blame their own problems on it...
 
bambam said:
If I buy the powder, what is the powder to liquid conversion ratio?
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You can basically make it any dilution you want. Mix 100G with 100ml of water and it's 1G/per ml. You do the math...
 
I agree with you about alcohol. It is really no better then any other drug. Actually weed is much easier on the body then alcohol. I just think people got in trouble, and still are getting in trouble, with ghb because for so long is was portrayed as harmless. And their are still some who cling to the idea that ghb is harmless. I have seen an old girlfrien go through ghb withdrawal and it was not a nice sight. You would have sworn she was a heroin junkie for years.
 
Daeo said:
I hate to repeat myself but...YOU ARE A WEAK WILLED, EMOTIONALLY UNSOUND INDIVIDUAL, IF YOU LET ANY DRUG CONTROL YOUR LIFE! I laugh histerically whenever I hear of someone addicted to GHB. If anyone should have experienced GHB withdrawls it was me about a month ago while I was in Vegas. I used it virtually around the clock for 6 days straight. Guess what? No withdrawls whatsoever. And afterwards I went back to my normal once every week or so usage. Like XXXL said, if you abuse one drug you'd probably abuse others as well. Alcohol is the nastiest, dirtiest drug out there. GHB is the perfect alternative for those who don't want to blame their own problems on it...
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I do not believe 6 days of any drug at any dose is long enough to cause withdrawal symptoms. It takes about 3 weeks of consistent dosing in order for ones body to become accommodated to a substance enough to cause withdrawal upon cessation of that substance. If you kept it up another two weeks you would have felt some withdrawal although it still probably would not have been that severe. The severity of withdrawal is more dependant on length of time on a substance the amount of the substance used. When I talk about physical withdrawal I am talking about someone who has used a substance consistently for months or years not weeks and certainly not days.
 
TRUST ME YOU CAN BE ADDICTED TO GHB JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DRUG INCLUDING ALCOHOL.

I use take G all the time.. It started back in the day when there were products like Invigorate and Jolt on the market.. I liked it so much I would never drink when I went out, I would only take G.. Then after it was made illegal I started taking the real G, only to find that when I stopped taking it I had SERIOUS SERIOUS withdrawl symptoms.. I mean I was all paranoid and nervous, rapid heartbeat, panic attacks.. and previous to this I never had a symptom like that in MY ENTIRE LIFE. i had to go on ZOLOFT for 6 months, finally I am off that shit as well and am all back to normal.

Not too mention I KNOW for a fact that I took G in which the PH was WAY TOO high, I think it did some irreversable damage to my kidneys or bladder, I ALWAYS have bags under my eyes now, I piss many many times a day and my doc has no idea what is wrong with me.

The moral of my story - DON'T TAKE 1,4 it plainly is not good for you. If you do manage to get your hands on real G, do as the others have said and test the PH.. Don't buy from someone you don't know - let me tell you these guys that are making this shit most likely don't have a chemisty degree and probably got the recipe off the internet!!.. As well as the chemicals they need to make the stuff! Who is to say there two base chemicals of GBL and NAOH are pure to begin with?

You are all so concerned about taking dirty gear, they why in the hell won't you think twice about taking dirty GHB? I know why.. because you liked getting fucked up off it!!

Guys just learn from my mistakes take a bros advice..

Gman
 
I've got severe insomnia for which I take trazadone, about 4 months ago I started adding GBL to the mix. 2cc's before bed, wake up 3.5 hours later and eat a bunch of peanut toast and a protein shake then take 2 more cc's and back to bed. My gains have been the best they have ever been on current cycle. I am probably adicted at this point but don't really care. It's not like it's interfering with my daily life and I never take it at any other time - ever, only for sleep.
 
Just another note, you guys better know your supplier for GBL.. If you are consuming anything less than 99.9% pure GBL you're an idiot.. For industrial purposes they make GBL that is 95-98% pure.. but that IS NOT suitable for human consumption. Rather than think of your GBL being pure think of it being impure. If you are comsuming 96% GBL than 4% is impure. The issue is what chemicals compose the 'dirty' part of the lactone. Some chemicals like acetone may make a normally healthy person ill over a short period of time.. and if the chemical is something like benzene ,tolene, xylene you could face serious problems quite rapidly. I seriously doubt these guys that are selling this GBL underground care about your health!! Sure they market it as 99.9% pure but do you want to take chances? It's your life!!

Gman
 
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