BobbyJenious said:
Have you infact tried dbol at this dose by itself, or know someone who has and had zero results?? You may be correct, 10-15mgs a day could be a waste, just as long as you know that your body produces human growth hormone/testosterone, not "hormone". And the supression level accompanying a dose that low would be quite minimal.
These guys need more knowledge on one of the most powerful steroids ever created before making such comments....Here ya go bro...this is from a diary of a pro back in the day....dbol only man...read it!!! If you are only looking for 3-5lbs and shedding bf....then dbol alone at 15mg daily can do it of course I vote for russians over the others, but that's just me!!! So many have gotten into the heavy dosaging that they don't really know how little it really takes to gain!!
"Why was Dianabol in particular, and steroids in general, so seductive? I started training in 1962, at age 11-12. No John Grimek, naturally, at the end of seventh grade I weighed all of 105 pounds. After some 15 years of regular training, I was able to get my lifts up to a 420- lb. bench press and 375-lb. clean and jerk -- all naturally. Progress was slow, as it is biologically ordained to be.
To put this in perspective, it took me 4 years to go from a 300 lb. high school senior bench press at 195 lbs. bodyweight, to a 420-lb. college senior bench press, at 260 lbs. body weight, naturally. And then, because I didn't gain any weight (in fact, I lost about 20 lbs. of water weight), from about age 21 to age 27, my bench press never moved beyond 425 lbs. (and that was with six years of painstakingly, regular hard work).
Then, after watching lifters I used to trounce start passing me by, I did a 6-week cycle of Dianabol. The first 3 weeks, I used 10 mg. a day. The second 3 weeks I used 15 mg. per day. My bench press moved to from 420 to 460 lbs. in that six-week period.
My body weight increased 5-10 lbs. I stayed off the drugs for 7 weeks and then I began a second cycle that lasted 7 weeks. The first 4 weeks, I used 15 mg. a day and the last 3 weeks I used 25 mg. a day. My bench press leapt from 460 to 500 pounds. My weight was up another 10 lbs. On two short cycles, I went from 420 to 500 lbs. I could identify no side effects except being in a much better mood, having more energy, transient liver enzyme changes, bigger armpit stretch marks, better recovery and growing out of my shirts.
Breaking it down, from a high school senior to a college senior, over a space of four years, training on protein, milk and filet, I gained some 60 lbs. in body weight and raised my bench press 100 lbs. Then, over a six-year period, without any weight gain, I moved my bench press up about 500 lbs (showing how an increase in strength after a while is most dependent upon body weight increases).
Comparably, on two short cycles of minimal Dianabol use, 15-25 mg./day, in effect, over 13 weeks, my bench press went up 80 pounds! So, 11 years of training natural moved me from a 300-lb. to a 420-lb. bench press and 13 weeks on Dianabol moved me from 420 lbs. to 500 lbs.
Look at it another way. I ultimately bench pressed 580 lbs. in the gym and 556 lbs. earlier in competition at 280 lbs. body weight. In my last workout preparing for a contest, 600-lbs. bench attempt, I unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be) tore my right pectoral badly--thereby ending my bench press insanity. That was back in 1987.
I figure it this way, at the same body weight, if I had never used steroids, I would have probably bench pressed about 460 lbs. allowing myself that 20-lb. weight gain. So, steroids gave me 20% plus, over my active duration of use."
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