This post really opened up my eyes (SRS)

[ibigboy]

Taken from different forum.
The topic was discussing whether year round or Cycling was the best for test.

I DID NOT WRITE THIS -- sorry i wasn't clear. Moreover, everyone has there own opinions ; on the other forum there were plenty of good responses arguing this post.

"This response could be really long winded on my part so I appologize in advance. I AM the guy who was on for long periods of time and unfortunately, I also suffered some pretty nasty and long term consequences. Gyno surgery (twice) nice little semi circular scars under both areolas, ECHO showed I have LVH of the heart (resolved a little on f/u but not much), BP was through the roof 160's/100's (for years). The nose bleeds and the fact I turned almost purple with the pump should have been a wakeup call. Metoprolol XT and cozar every day plus the very real risk of a stroke if I didn't get it down. It's down now thank god. BPH or benign prostatic hypertrophy evident by both blood test and "the finger", oh and did I mention that my sperm count was so low that my wife and I had to resort to IVF with ICSI...not going to go into it. Search my name for former post, AND FOR WHAT!!? I simply don't have the genetics to be a professional BB...I realize that, I understand it, I accept it! Putting your HPTA, liver, kidneys, heart, pancrease (slin users beware), prostate etc. to win a local contest? Please! WAKE UP!
As a father now struggling to provide my daughter with everything she needs to make it in this fucked up and overly competitive world, I simply had no choice but to kick my insecurities to the curb and GROW UP!
AAS are there for really sick people...that was/is their intended use.
Now I'm not about to preech here so before I get flamed let me quell the haters by simply asking everyone here a few simple questions...why do you use AAS and does it make you a better person, father, husband, uncle? Could you be the same individual without them? Are you prepared to deal with the change in body comp/image when you finally come off? Would you rather be a healthy grandfather (I firmly feel HRT is a good thing BTW as long as your Doc is on top of things) or an unhealthy, depressed, burt out, single, x-bodybuilder still trying to hold on to some semblance of their youth chassing women half your age with an artificial erection?

I'm 38 now...I consider that young. I asked myself these questions a few years ago and never looked back. It was clear to ME what I needed to do to be healthier/happier. Not just for me but for everyone around me. I lost alot of muscle and I won't deny that I miss the looks/comments.
I'm no longer on BP meds, I surf, dive, play with my daughter and have a social/professional life outside the gym again. I don't plan out my meals a week in advance anymore, carry a cooler wherever I go or put off going hiking because I've got legs to do later in the day. I don't hide my needles, syringes and raw materials all around the house. I no longer look over my shoulder when picking the mail up for fear of a sting.

If you don't have the genetic potential then why do it? But how do you know if you have the potential unless you do dedicate your life/health to this sport/hobby/lifestyle? I've come full circle so it comes down to personal choices. Whatever you decide make sure you have the support of family and friends. This thing we call bodybuilding can make you lie, cheat, steal and lose site of what's really important in life. What that is is ultimately up to you."

 

[tbone1966]

how long were you on.what did your cycles look like.i do 300 to 750 for the last 5 years dont know what pct is.i feel the best i ever have.i was a meth user for years.that is when i lied , stole cheated,hated waking up every day.now jump upeat right look forward to lifting.i have no kids so i understand for yourself.but as far as me i am willing to take the chance.i wish you and your family the best.

 

[HAYEZ]

Taken from different forum.
The topic was discussing whether year round or Cycling was the best for test.

"This response could be really long winded on my part so I appologize in advance. I AM the guy who was on for long periods of time and unfortunately, I also suffered some pretty nasty and long term consequences. Gyno surgery (twice) nice little semi circular scars under both areolas, ECHO showed I have LVH of the heart (resolved a little on f/u but not much), BP was through the roof 160's/100's (for years). The nose bleeds and the fact I turned almost purple with the pump should have been a wakeup call. Metoprolol XT and cozar every day plus the very real risk of a stroke if I didn't get it down. It's down now thank god. BPH or benign prostatic hypertrophy evident by both blood test and "the finger", oh and did I mention that my sperm count was so low that my wife and I had to resort to IVF with ICSI...not going to go into it. Search my name for former post, AND FOR WHAT!!? I simply don't have the genetics to be a professional BB...I realize that, I understand it, I accept it! Putting your HPTA, liver, kidneys, heart, pancrease (slin users beware), prostate etc. to win a local contest? Please! WAKE UP!
As a father now struggling to provide my daughter with everything she needs to make it in this fucked up and overly competitive world, I simply had no choice but to kick my insecurities to the curb and GROW UP!
AAS are there for really sick people...that was/is their intended use.
Now I'm not about to preech here so before I get flamed let me quell the haters by simply asking everyone here a few simple questions...why do you use AAS and does it make you a better person, father, husband, uncle? Could you be the same individual without them? Are you prepared to deal with the change in body comp/image when you finally come off? Would you rather be a healthy grandfather (I firmly feel HRT is a good thing BTW as long as your Doc is on top of things) or an unhealthy, depressed, burt out, single, x-bodybuilder still trying to hold on to some semblance of their youth chassing women half your age with an artificial erection?

I'm 38 now...I consider that young. I asked myself these questions a few years ago and never looked back. It was clear to ME what I needed to do to be healthier/happier. Not just for me but for everyone around me. I lost alot of muscle and I won't deny that I miss the looks/comments.
I'm no longer on BP meds, I surf, dive, play with my daughter and have a social/professional life outside the gym again. I don't plan out my meals a week in advance anymore, carry a cooler wherever I go or put off going hiking because I've got legs to do later in the day. I don't hide my needles, syringes and raw materials all around the house. I no longer look over my shoulder when picking the mail up for fear of a sting.

If you don't have the genetic potential then why do it? But how do you know if you have the potential unless you do dedicate your life/health to this sport/hobby/lifestyle? I've come full circle so it comes down to personal choices. Whatever you decide make sure you have the support of family and friends. This thing we call bodybuilding can make you lie, cheat, steal and lose site of what's really important in life. What that is is ultimately up to you."

so point of the story is if you dont hve pro genetics throw in the towel and give up and look like shit with a bad diet..

just because you cant handle yourself doesnt mean the rest of the people cant..

 

[burnthiscorpse]

again.....what kind of cycles, drugs, ect did you use for what durations and what doses?? these are all really big factors in how fucked up one can become. Did you ever go to the doctor? get regular blood work? I dont aspire to be a pro BB'r at all. I also take metoprolol like you stated. not because of aas but because I can be a bit of a hot head sometimes. my BP is actually lower while on cycle. But I dont use large doses in comparison to some either. I hadnt cycles in 8 years til this march when I did 8 weeks. took 9 off and did another 8, cruised on 150mg for 8 weeks and am 2 weeks into another 10 wk cycle. Yeah it will be 6 months total this run before I come of for 4-6 months. Wasnt my intention at the start but i also take care of myself, get blood work and dont mega dose. Sure it will take me a bit longer to get my natural HPTA back after this run. But it will come back.
I dunno what doses you ran, but years worth of 160/100 is inexcusable and irresponsible on your part. How could you ignore that? I'm on 500mg of sust wk and 400mg deca wk and no AI and my resting BP average is around 125/73. My cholesterol is 155 and my try's are 120's. The only issue I have ever had is current elevated kidney creatinine NOT from AAS but from regular post surgery celebrex use for 3 months.
If my BP was sky high with meds or cholesterol was whacked, or tryglycerides were through the roof. I think I personally would stop. Wait... no....I would STOP. with or without pct. fuck the muscles, life comes first. Why didnt you think of that during a few years of 160/100???
Not everyone who uses sane amounts of orals with liver protection is going to have liver problems. Not everyone who uses "sane" amounts of slin for "sane" durations is going to have pancreas issues.
I'm sorry you had alot of problems bro, and I hope they are all G2G for you now. But it sounds like alot of it could have been prevented by you yourself. It also sounds like there was a little neglect in there too.

 

[ceo]

sounds like this was a copy/paste from another board, and NOT the personal experience of the OP.

Sounds like the individual in the story was pretty reckless with their use/abuse of AAS and other compounds. I wouldn't put it past many on here to be the same way either. Of course not many (if any) would admit it though.

There are some very good points to the story. As you get older you will all realize that no one really will have cared that you were huge, or that you could bench/squat/dead a bunch of weight. Huge people (big bodybuilders) are freaks to the general population. 99% of people don't admire those physiques the way we do. When you have a family and kids, you will want to be around for a long time and will want to be able to do things, like run with your kid, play football, basketball, hike, bike, etc. You won't want to be the dad that is "too huge" to be active with your kids. Another point is that 99.99% of you don't have the genetics to turn pro anyway, so don't be absurd in your use of drugs to try to get there.

The story is just a reminder to all of us to stay healthy in our pursuits of vanity. Take from it what you will and if it offers you nothing, then good for you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

In a nutshell, abuse is bad.

 

[mrplunkey]

1) Abuse of just about anything is bad. Steriods are no different.

2) So if in 20 years (you'd be 58) you develop a bad hip, are you going to forego the hip replacement procedure because lifelong healthy hip joints isn't in your genetics? Have fun with that genetics argument.