This just in, new news on steroids

[Bulldog_10]

This whole issue does not only concern steroids. My whole point with this is how many people take the things they here on TV as the word of god. It seems that more and more people are failing to keep open minds about things. I just don't see people thinking objectively about things in general and that is frightening. People are just content to let their rights go to hell because of something they heard on TV. This is becoming a society of fear. The press and TV plays on fear for ratings and this inturns causes politicians to prey on fear to get votes. To me I would rather risk my life than lose my freedoms. What good is living if you can't do it how you see fit. This is the principle our forfathers died for and the reason the United States was founded. All I can say is "Lemmings to the sea".

Peace out

I agree with what you're saying...except the last couple of statements...our forefathers did the same shit we're doing now. It's all about money. Sounds to me you've taken the word of US history books as the word of god...which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[bicepts101]

That doesn't mean he's about this issue...just because he can get steroids (supposedly) doesn't change the fact that this is wrong. That's like a rich guy saying he doesn't give a shit about the poor because he has all the money he needs, and can buy whatever he wants...egocentricity in its truest form.

ok...when i said, "he points people in the right direction," i didnt mean he shows everyone to a good source or whatever. i was speaking of the information and knowlege he contributes to this board, thats all.

 

[bigp3]

I agree with what you're saying...except the last couple of statements...our forefathers did the same shit we're doing now. It's all about money. Sounds to me you've taken the word of US history books as the word of god...which couldn't be further from the truth.

I agree Bulldog half the shit in the history books is just there to paint a pretty picture. My whole point is stand up for what you believe in, even if it may not be the popular way to think

 

[samoth]

I was just watching a program on Discovery Science Channel on the science of strength and learned these new and interesting facts. The so called experts

Damned PHDs with their so-called "expertise", how long will it take them to come to the realization that the true facts are stated anonymously on internet chat boards! They are such idiots!!

on this show claimed that steroids cause rampid manifestations of cancer in users,

Testosterone is a carcinogen. It's kind of surprising how people don't know this. Don't believe them? Look it up.

hear attacks,

I think we all know testosterone is not healthy for the heart. Taking large doses for extended periods of time will cause stress on the heart, which can eventually lead to a heart attack.

manic depression,

Depression is a common side effect, well documented. Manic depression, I don't specifically know, it depends on the person and the organism's susceptibility before and after administration.

loss of temper

Also common. Temper is a matter of control, however there are many who have 'difficulty' doing so.

and the loaa od the ability to control your emotions.

Assuming you meant, "loss of", then yes, sex hormones will affect emotions. Control is an individual charactaristic. Emotional drunks, emotional juicers, it's a matter of controlling drug-induced emotional instabilities.

They also said that because of legal loopholes, steroid substances marketed as herbal food products(creatine, DHEA, Andro) are being bought buy children in an unregulated fashion.

Yep, and the 12-year olds that I know are taking it to be more like the 'big, tough' guys sure don't need to be on it.

Stop the fucking presses would you.

Your opinions notwithstanding, these issues have been very popular in the press for the last several years.

I also learned that Ephedra caused the death of Steve Bechler due to a heart attack, not a heat stroke, his lack of good health,,, etc. etc.

I don't have enough information to form an opinion, but they are both possible, depending on his family history of heart problems, his heart condition at the time of administration, and a multitude of other variables... most of which will not reach us in an unbiased fashion.

They also informed me that ephedra is an anphetamine in the same category with cocaine and meth.

If by "same category" they mean stimulants with potential for abuse, they are absolutely right.

WOW, my god, I did not know these things were true. All I can say is what a bunch of fucking idiots. If you are going to talk about something at least do some research on it and get real experts to discuss the topics, not the IOC anti-doping lobby. Pulease!!!!

Ahh, I see, the members of the IOC anti-doping lobby fall short of your knowledge and experience. Please feel free to publish your own works in order to disprove what they say. I'm sure the pharmaceutical industry would be quite pleased, as they make good money off of these drugs.

 

[Judo Tom]

i wish the FCC would crack down on reporters lying to people and mis representing facts instead of cracking down on free speech..

you guys also know that it will make your pee pee smaller right..

 

[bigp3]

Samoth,,,

Look dude you don't have to be an asshole about this. It is obvious to see what your opinion is on this whole issue and that is you endorse governmental control of these substances. Well I hate to inform you that the fact is the government is terrible at running peoples lives and they have no business doing so. I am not advocating the use of drugs in any way, all I am saying is that people should be able to decide themselves what they do with their bodies.

I think your views are skewed on this subject. As for test being a carcinogen so are two thirds of the other things we put into our bodies, including the public supplied water that many of us drink. Yes I did know that some studies have shown that test can lead to carcinoma especially in the prostate, but there are just as many studies that have not been able to directly link the two together. Someone just recently sued a pharmaceutical company for test causing his cancer. This case was dismissed after several studies and experts testified that test is not directly shown to be a carcinogen. So, you can see there are many opinions on this.

Let me ask you this, how many people can you name that have died from cancer directly linked to test use? Hmmmm I bet not many if any at all. Another little fact I would like to quote for you is the statistics on steroid related deaths. Now keep in mind that this comes from our own government. Guess how many people died last year from aas's? Zero, that is right, not one person. Nearly a thousand people died from fucking Tylenol. Look it up!!

As for test being a stress on your heart. New studies are showing that this is not as true as once thought. Actually, in some European countries test is being experimented with great success I might ad in post heart attack treatment. It has actually been shown to regenerate damaged heart tissue that was once thought lost forever. Diet and exercise have been shown to be the most important factors in a healthy heart. Have you seen all the bodybuilders from the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s lately? All these guys are getting up there now and are in great health and the majority of them could still compete at some level. Some ill effects huh. I would say their health is better than the average 60 something male.

You talked about depression and loss of temper being a common side effect from steroid abuse. I agree that people who are already mentally instable can worsen their mental state with hormone use. If you were an asshole before steroid use you will still be one while on. Here is an argument on this for you. Alcohol is much worse on the mind than steroids and it is very legal for everyone to use. Wouldn’t you agree to this fact? I personally can say I have never experienced any mental side effects and this is even with a high stress upper echelon management position.

Now I would like to address your so-called IOC experts. The IOC is nothing more than a political institution and they are going to present things in a manner that paints them in a good light. This is hardly what I would classify and objective source of information. They are nothing but a bunch of politicians and politicians skew the facts to promote their cause. I know many of these guys are PhD’s, but that does not make them experts on the subject. Many doctors don’t know dick about steroids and their side effects. We all know this to be a fact since they spend very little time at all studying about this in college. If you want an objective source find a research scientist that has devoted all of his time to the study of this subject not the IOC experts who are politically motivated.

Finally, I would like to say if you are opposed to steroid use that is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions. What my whole point was with this thread is that people should have the right to chose for themselves.

 

[Sartan]

Excellent Big,
Karma 2 u!!



YEAH WHAT HE SAID!

 

[strongsmartsexy]

K to you bigp3

Excellent post.

 

[bigp3]

Thanks for the Karma guys. People just piss me off sometimes and that is why I wrote a book on this,,,, lol

 

[samoth]

Samoth,,,

Look dude you don't have to be an asshole about this.

Never intended. However, I do not 'sugar coat' things. I will try to type in a nicer tone for you.

It is obvious to see what your opinion is on this whole issue and that is you endorse governmental control of these substances.

Opinion? Government control? Your argument does not follow...

Well I hate to inform you that the fact is the government is terrible at running peoples lives and they have no business doing so. I am not advocating the use of drugs in any way, all I am saying is that people should be able to decide themselves what they do with their bodies.

I am unsure where you decided to digress into this, but I never touched this issue.

I think your views are skewed on this subject.

Really? How so?

I know mine are. As are yours. However, I do not see where you are finding my skewed views.


As for test being a carcinogen ... , you can see there are many opinions on this.

Yep, there are! So are you saying we should simply ignore the likelyhood of taking a potentially carcinogenic substance? Bodybuilding is health first, at least in my opinion.

Let me ask you this, how many people can you name that have died from cancer directly linked to test use? Hmmmm I bet not many if any at all.

Umm... please learn how to formulate an argument. There is no validity to this question. I can't name anyone that has died from testosterone use. Further, I can't name anyone that has died from alcohol abuse; so by your logic, the conclusion there would be what?

Another little fact I would like to quote for you is the statistics on steroid related deaths. Now keep in mind that this comes from our own government. Guess how many people died last year from aas's? Zero, that is right, not one person. Nearly a thousand people died from fucking Tylenol. Look it up!!

Fact? Says whom? You? Please validate. Also, "quotes" require references.

As for test being a stress on your heart. New studies are showing that this is not as true as once thought. Actually, in some European countries test is being experimented with great success I might ad in post heart attack treatment. It has actually been shown to regenerate damaged heart tissue that was once thought lost forever. Diet and exercise have been shown to be the most important factors in a healthy heart. Have you seen all the bodybuilders from the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s lately? All these guys are getting up there now and are in great health and the majority of them could still compete at some level. Some ill effects huh. I would say their health is better than the average 60 something male.

Yes... but what doses are we talking? My argument is that there exists a potential for abuse, which will lead to problems.

Here is an argument on this for you. Alcohol is much worse on the mind than steroids and it is very legal for everyone to use. Wouldn’t you agree to this fact?

I see a fact you are trying to state, but no argument. Moreover, "worse on the mind" is quite general... I cannot agree or disagree without further clarification.

I personally can say I have never experienced any mental side effects and this is even with a high stress upper echelon management position.

You argue statistics, but cite yourself as an example. LOL.

Now I would like to address your so-called IOC experts.

Mine? I'm not trying to take sides. Just bringing up the million-dollar organizations vs. anonymous internet posters thing. Do you have any published works? If so, in what journals? What years?

The IOC is nothing more than a political institution and they are going to present things in a manner that paints them in a good light. This is hardly what I would classify and objective source of information. They are nothing but a bunch of politicians and politicians skew the facts to promote their cause. I know many of these guys are PhD’s, but that does not make them experts on the subject. Many doctors don’t know dick about steroids and their side effects. We all know this to be a fact since they spend very little time at all studying about this in college. If you want an objective source find a research scientist that has devoted all of his time to the study of this subject not the IOC experts who are politically motivated.

Well, depending on what the doctor specializes in, he or she may very well spend a large amount of time studying hormones and their interactions in the body. And don't try to tell me that athletes don't ever try to skew the facts to their advantage either, LOL.

Finally, I would like to say if you are opposed to steroid use that is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions. What my whole point was with this thread is that people should have the right to chose for themselves.

I never once stated I was opposed to steroid use (if so, why am I here?). However, I believe a key factor is defining "potential for abuse".

Please stop using the word "fact" so much. You are attempting to imply that everything you state is fact whislt anything to the contrary isn't.

I am open minded for a debate. Not an anonymous person stating "fact" after "fact" amidst profanity with no references to base his facts up.

I don't have time to reference everything I say, so I don't use that word. Unless you are, I suggest you follow suite.

You do have many intersting ideas, though.