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Alright you called me out on this one. If you are going to slam my post I have to defend myself that is only fair. People that know me around here know that I don’t rip people, but in this case I have to stand up. Don’t assume that you are the only person on here with an education and the ability to read research studies. I hate to inform you but you aren’t the only one.
Look man we are all entitled to our opinions and that is what we both have. There are studies that support both of our point of views. But, it seems as of late that more and more studies are surfacing that are showing all the benefits of aas's. As for the word fact being used you can quote my references below. I am sure you could find references that support our point of views so the debate goes on and is endless. Most studies that have shown the negative effects of steroids were done decades ago and we animal studies not ones done on humans. For the most part these have been long outdated. I am not denying there are bad things about steroids. We all know that to be true. I just think the whole thing has been overblown to promote some political agenda.
You are missing the whole point of my thread, it is not about this benefit that side effect of steroids. My point in this thread is that I wish that the press would show both sides and both opinions on AAS's. All they play on is the bad things which in turn cause people to form negative opinions without having an objective presentation of the facts. Last but not least, is the freedom of choice that we should have. I have the right to eat Big Macs all day and get fat. I have the right to smoke 5 packs of cigs. a day and die of lung cancer. I can even jump out in front of moving traffic and kill myself if I want. All of these things are way more dangerous to our health than aas's are. What I am saying is that it is ludicrous that we don't have the right to chose what to do with ourselves when it comes to this subject.
Here are some references by the way if you so chose to read them.
Oh by the way so you know,, I don’t even use AAS’s anymore because of the most dangerous side effect and that is jail.
1) Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S. "The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men—a clinical research center study." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1996 Oct;81(10):3754-8.
2) O'Connor DB, Archer J, Hair WM, Wu FC. "Exogenous testosterone, aggression, and mood in eugonadal and hypogonadal men." Physiol Behav. 2002 Apr 1;75(4):557-66.
3) Anderson RA, Bancroft J, Wu FC. "The effects of exogenous testosterone on sexuality and mood of normal men." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1992 Dec;75(6):1503-7.
4) Alexander GM, Swerdloff RS, Wang C, Davidson T, McDonald V, Steiner B, Hines M. "Androgen-behavior correlations in hypogonadal men and eugonadal men. I. Mood and response to auditory sexual stimuli." Horm Behav. 1997 Apr;31(2):110-9.
5) Eckardstein A, Wu FC. "Testosterone and atherosclerosis." Growth Horm IGF Res. 2003 Aug;13 Suppl A:S72-84.
6) Malkin CJ, Pugh PJ, Jones RD, Jones TH, Channer KS. "Testosterone as a protective factor against atherosclerosis—immunomodulation and influence upon plaque development and stability." J Endocrinol. 2003 Sep;178(3):373-80.
7) Callies F, Stromer H, Schwinger RH, Bolck B, Hu K, Frantz S, Leupold A, Beer S, Allolio B, Bonz AW. "Administration of testosterone is associated with a reduced susceptibility to myocardial ischemia." Endocrinology. 2003 Oct;144(10):4478-83. Epub 2003 Jul 10.
8) DAWN’s Detailed Emergency Department Tables for 2002
P.S. if you want more sources I can get them for you so you can read and get an objective view on the subject.
Alright you called me out on this one. If you are going to slam my post I have to defend myself that is only fair. People that know me around here know that I don’t rip people, but in this case I have to stand up. Don’t assume that you are the only person on here with an education and the ability to read research studies. I hate to inform you but you aren’t the only one.
Look man we are all entitled to our opinions and that is what we both have. There are studies that support both of our point of views. But, it seems as of late that more and more studies are surfacing that are showing all the benefits of aas's. As for the word fact being used you can quote my references below. I am sure you could find references that support our point of views so the debate goes on and is endless. Most studies that have shown the negative effects of steroids were done decades ago and we animal studies not ones done on humans. For the most part these have been long outdated. I am not denying there are bad things about steroids. We all know that to be true. I just think the whole thing has been overblown to promote some political agenda.
You are missing the whole point of my thread, it is not about this benefit that side effect of steroids. My point in this thread is that I wish that the press would show both sides and both opinions on AAS's. All they play on is the bad things which in turn cause people to form negative opinions without having an objective presentation of the facts. Last but not least, is the freedom of choice that we should have. I have the right to eat Big Macs all day and get fat. I have the right to smoke 5 packs of cigs. a day and die of lung cancer. I can even jump out in front of moving traffic and kill myself if I want. All of these things are way more dangerous to our health than aas's are. What I am saying is that it is ludicrous that we don't have the right to chose what to do with ourselves when it comes to this subject.
Here are some references by the way if you so chose to read them.
Oh by the way so you know,, I don’t even use AAS’s anymore because of the most dangerous side effect and that is jail.
1) Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S. "The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men—a clinical research center study." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1996 Oct;81(10):3754-8.
2) O'Connor DB, Archer J, Hair WM, Wu FC. "Exogenous testosterone, aggression, and mood in eugonadal and hypogonadal men." Physiol Behav. 2002 Apr 1;75(4):557-66.
3) Anderson RA, Bancroft J, Wu FC. "The effects of exogenous testosterone on sexuality and mood of normal men." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1992 Dec;75(6):1503-7.
4) Alexander GM, Swerdloff RS, Wang C, Davidson T, McDonald V, Steiner B, Hines M. "Androgen-behavior correlations in hypogonadal men and eugonadal men. I. Mood and response to auditory sexual stimuli." Horm Behav. 1997 Apr;31(2):110-9.
5) Eckardstein A, Wu FC. "Testosterone and atherosclerosis." Growth Horm IGF Res. 2003 Aug;13 Suppl A:S72-84.
6) Malkin CJ, Pugh PJ, Jones RD, Jones TH, Channer KS. "Testosterone as a protective factor against atherosclerosis—immunomodulation and influence upon plaque development and stability." J Endocrinol. 2003 Sep;178(3):373-80.
7) Callies F, Stromer H, Schwinger RH, Bolck B, Hu K, Frantz S, Leupold A, Beer S, Allolio B, Bonz AW. "Administration of testosterone is associated with a reduced susceptibility to myocardial ischemia." Endocrinology. 2003 Oct;144(10):4478-83. Epub 2003 Jul 10.
8) DAWN’s Detailed Emergency Department Tables for 2002
P.S. if you want more sources I can get them for you so you can read and get an objective view on the subject.
