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The Vick Case

patsfan1379 said:
It's 5:07. Post it up right now instead of recruiting others via PMs to get them to hit you with green.
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the karma has time stamps on it
 
patsfan1379 said:
and lol @ lestank offering whomever hits him with green a take of the 1,000,000 K.

I'll do the same. Hows that sound?
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im not offering it in return, im saying for the betrayal of privacy I'd share part of my cut. obviously only karma i received before my original post would count.
 
Lestat said:
im not offering it in return, im saying for the betrayal of privacy I'd share part of my cut. obviously only karma i received before my original post would count.
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Because it would be extremely difficult to open it up in paint and put a black line over the names, right?
 
Lestat said:
you are using another animal's life for your sport, plain and simple. you can argue yourself in circles all you want, but the facts are the facts.

He OWNED these dogs. He did this on his private property.

Had it been any sort of livestock without "dog feelings" he would have been ok. Imagine he raised game birds, as my grandfather did, he routinely would walk to the pen, grab one, and RING ITS NECK until dead.

But Vick needs to do PRISON time for being mean to dogs. THAT is offensive.
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Maybe this has already been mentioned, (and I emphasize the bold points for much needed clarity and contrast between what's normal and what he did) but hunting with a license for wild animals is quite a bit different from the illegal activity of dog fighting on your property or not, not to mention inhumane torture for personal amusement,. Torturing ants with a magnifying glass as a kid is one thing, but an adult taking that behavior a few steps further has no place in society.

When a Bad Newz Kennels dog was wounded in a losing fight, NFL star Michael Vick was consulted before the animal was doused with water and electrocuted. That’s just one of the gruesome details that emerged Tuesday when the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others were indicted by a federal grand jury…

About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”

“Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I’m a person who faces this stuff every day,” Goodwin said. “I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them, and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution — they’re unnecessary and just sick.”…

Before fights, participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog’s coat that could affect the other dog’s performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren’t fed to “make it more hungry for the other dog.”

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/18/michael-vick-indicted-for-torturing-and-killing-dogs/

In short, he sick in the head and should at least be locked up. I think a better punishment would be to let a pack of rabid dogs go at him in a cage til they're done. He could be the best qb in the world but this type of shit is completely uncalled for in a civilized country.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Maybe this has already been mentioned, (and I emphasize the bold points for much needed clarity and contrast between what's normal and what he did) but hunting with a license for wild animals is quite a bit different from the illegal activity of dog fighting on your property or not, not to mention inhumane torture for personal amusement,. Torturing ants with a magnifying glass as a kid is one thing, but an adult taking that behavior a few steps further has no place in society.

When a Bad Newz Kennels dog was wounded in a losing fight, NFL star Michael Vick was consulted before the animal was doused with water and electrocuted. That’s just one of the gruesome details that emerged Tuesday when the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others were indicted by a federal grand jury…

About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”

“Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I’m a person who faces this stuff every day,” Goodwin said. “I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them, and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution — they’re unnecessary and just sick.”…

Before fights, participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog’s coat that could affect the other dog’s performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren’t fed to “make it more hungry for the other dog.”

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/18/michael-vick-indicted-for-torturing-and-killing-dogs/

In short, he sick in the head and should at least be locked up. I think a better punishment would be to let a pack of rabid dogs go at him in a cage til they're done. He could be the best qb in the world but this type of shit is completely uncalled for in a civilized country.
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That's some sick fucking shit right there...

I am all for prison for anyone that was a party to that, much less orchestrated it...
 
its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.
 
Lestat said:
its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.
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If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?
 
Lestat said:
its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.
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Once again, you fucking dumbass.

Vick is charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He had pleaded not guilty last month and vowed to clear his name at a November trial.
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It baffles me how you keep commenting on the sentencing in a case in which you don't even know the god damn charges. Jesus christ stupid people piss me off
 
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jh1 said:
If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?
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jaywalking

Other reasons not to go to jail: loan fraud (it's only money), embezzelment (see previous), theft/ burglary (nobody technically gets hurt, and they're only possessions), drug dealing (you don't die if you know when to say when, and theft to support a habit will now be encouraged), drunk driving (obviously :rolleyes: ), assault (if they don't die, no harm).
 
jh1 said:
If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?
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murder, assault, theft, torture, extortion, etc.
 
wow, so I think that Vick should not go to prison for dog fighting and that make me an idiot.

i'm obviously debating with intelligent being here.
 
Lestat said:
wow, so I think that Vick should not go to prison for dog fighting and that make me an idiot.

i'm obviously debating with intelligent being here.
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Let me repeat this for the third time



He is not going to prison for dog fighting. He is going to prison for racketeering, conspiracy, gambling, and interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities
 
Dude, Vick is guilty of something here, I`m not sure to what degree he was involved, but I don`t thinkit was enough to serve prison time.
 
I do not think he should goto prison
Fined: yes,c ommunity service, yes
kicked out of the NFL: yes

the mans life is already ruined...the media has quickly made sure of that.

I love dogs and I abhor what he did. but to lock him up for 18 months is just ridiculous and a uneeded waste of time, tax dollars and more worthless legal bullshit.
 
Lestat said:
murder, assault, theft, torture, extortion, etc.
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Torture? Really. Hmmm. Drowing and/electrocuting living creatures isn't torture?


Extortion & Theft? That's laughable IMO compared to the disgusting acts these assholes commited against living creatures.
 
It all boils down to the laws of nature, and Vick the thug broke them, not to mention United States law. I don't care what color or creed you are or how famous, you need your head checked if you get your jollies off fighting, torturing and killing animals. Not much different than spousal abuse. What a big man you are in either case. He's a little bitch with a tough looking exterior.

Also, wasn't slavery considered wrong? Well, slaves (people) had a much better chance at fighting back against that situation than any animal ever has where people are involved. Also, to compare dog fighting/torture/killing to animals used for food or wild game hunting is simply not in the same ballpark.
 
jh1 said:
Torture? Really. Hmmm. Drowing and/electrocuting living creatures isn't torture?


Extortion & Theft? That's laughable IMO compared to the disgusting acts these assholes commited against living creatures.
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Apparently some of the dogs were hung, and when that didn't kill them they turned around and drowned them. I think the same should be done with Vick.
 
B..do you realize the charges Vick was facing, under RICO statutes, could have landed him up to 20 years?

If he was simply killing animals but using these dogs for gambling, he would not be going to a federal prison.

It's like pleading to Driving to Endanger in order to avoid OUI charges. He was going to jail for the money laundering aspect of the dog fighting.
 
jh1 said:
Torture? Really. Hmmm. Drowing and/electrocuting living creatures isn't torture?


Extortion & Theft? That's laughable IMO compared to the disgusting acts these assholes commited against living creatures.
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no, i do not believe people should go to prison for torturing animals.
 
Lestat said:
who do you know that kills animals for survival???
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All the companies that give us the millions of pounds of meat we citizens consume every year.
 
SublimeZM said:
agree to disagree, i agree with lestat.

the torture and cruely is fucked up and he needs therapy.

but in terms of the poor animals, it doesnt matter the intent, the animal is dying, and being mutilated whether its to eat, or for entertainment
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Not much different than the therapy that child molestors "need." Whether torturing animals or molesting kids, there's something wrong with their brains. All the therapy in the world won't prevent them from doing it again.
 
Lestat said:
Once again I am shocked by not only our country, but the people of EF.

Do you people here really think Vick did something so heinous he needs to spend time in Prison?

How many of you are hunters? How many of you eat beef? How many of you setup mouse traps?

What Vick did is WRONG. I am NOT an advocate for the legalization of dog fighting. I support laws that enforce the human treatment of animals.

BUT, I am sick of the double standard. Vick is being made an example of.

He should have his breeder license revoked. He should NEVER be allowed to sell dogs. He shouldn't be able to own more than 2 or so dogs at a time.

But to serve HARD time for his crime? Who exactly are the victims?

I've been hunting before, and luckily I've never killed while on a hunt myself, but I went on 2 hunts and learned quickly that it was NOT my thing.

HOWEVER, it is perfectly legal! You can shoot a deer, wounding it, having it limp through a forest in pain, and die over the course of a few days, but that is legal!

You can go get a job at a slaughter house, where you run a bolt into a cow's brain all day long and get PAID for it.

Jewish people can cut the foreskin from a living 8 day old baby with NO pain medication, and that is legal, protected, and CELEBRATED.

But Vick can't kill his own animals, on his OWN property, without going to prison?

No one else sees any problem with this? I kill animals near daily. Yesterday I sprayed some flies with insecticide and watched them fly disorented and twitch until they died. I also used my foot to smash a living spider until it died. Will I be thrown in prison for that one day as well just because a bunch of people think its mean and inhumane?

Seriously. Vick is a fool for being involved in this at all and should have some penalty, but if an attempted child molester can get probation, why can't Vick?
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honestly I dont give a crap what happens to that guy. he doesnt deserve respect in any way shape or form. he's a piece of garbage. if they said the penalty was capital punishment, id be fine with that too. fuck vick. do you really care about that guy? you shoudnt
 
and lol @ comparing him to a child molester. those people should be killed too. truth is, the penalties are not harsh enough in this country.
 
rudeboyja said:
Apparently the big deal was the $$$ involved. But I wonder if this was cock fighting & the same loot was on the table would the feds have come in??

Also I don't think in his wildest dreams did he ever imagine even if he got caught would he get any jail time.
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Another reason he should, if he thought he could get away with it (most likely because of how famous he is).
 
SublimeZM said:
people are more important than animals.

simple as that.

animals being protected by the constition and our laws is just one step closer to everyone being completely fucked and having the world not worth living in
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People as uncivilized as Vick might as well be animals.
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
Not much different than the therapy that child molestors "need." Whether torturing animals or molesting kids, there's something wrong with their brains. All the therapy in the world won't prevent them from doing it again.
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I remember almost every single time they do profiling of serial killers or molesters on Discovery or History (forgot which one), almost always they started with torturing animals when they were kids and teenagers
 
Smurfy said:
and lol @ comparing him to a child molester. those people should be killed too. truth is, the penalties are not harsh enough in this country.
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They're both sick in the head for slightly different reasons.
 
Yes I do care about Michael Vick.

If one person's rights can be dismissed because of an emotional arguement (poor doggies) then ANYONE's could. Like I said, I'd defend any of you here on EF as well.

I wonder how many of you would approve of the death penalty for electrocuting dogs?
 
Way to blow it out of proportion there Lestat. It's been said a number of times what the charges are, but you focus on the one that got him caught and what the media has focused on. Well done.
 
foreigngirl said:
I remember almost every single time they do profiling of serial killers or molesters on Discovery or History (forgot which one), almost always they started with torturing animals when they were kids and teenagers
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I think a lot of kids (especially in rural areas) at a young age kill a small animal, or hurt them to see what happens, but the difference is in how they feel afterwards, seeing how the animal reacts. Normal, civilized people should eventually react with remorse or shame for doing something they now know is senseless and cruel. People who are a few clicks off the beaten path get excitement from it, and/or a false sense of empowerment to compensate for their own deficiencies, whether they understand it or not. Hence the label of "sick". Michael Vick seems to fit this latter category.
 
How much could it possibly cost to get some sort of fast-acting poison on the black market? Or hell, just give the dog a massive shot of insulin...it's cheap. There was no need to electrocute/hang/drown them, and that's why that piece of shit Vick and his piece of shit friends need to do some time.
 
Lestat said:
I wonder how many of you would approve of the death penalty for electrocuting dogs?
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Ease up on the drama there, Lestat...the death penalty for animal cruelty is clearly too much.

I wouldn't object to all of the parties involved getting tasered for the full five-second ride though, just so they could get a taste of what it's like.
 
Lestat said:
If one person's rights can be dismissed because of an emotional arguement (poor doggies) then ANYONE's could.
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Which part of Michael Vick's "rights" were dismissed? He ran an illegal gambling ring, laundered money, violated interstate commerce laws for unregistered "business", and was facing 20 years under Federal RICO statutes.

He could have hired a vet and euthanized these dogs...he hung and drowned these dogs B....there was zero need for this behavior.

He's lucky to live in the U.S. where he has Constitutional rights. Some countries would be hanging him right about now.

By the way, do you condone how he lied about it in the first place? He thinks he's pretty cool using brutal methods to kill dogs and doesn't even have the testicles to admit to it in the first place.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I think a lot of kids (especially in rural areas) at a young age kill a small animal, or hurt them to see what happens, but the difference is in how they feel afterwards, seeing how the animal reacts. Normal, civilized people should eventually react with remorse or shame for doing something they now know is senseless and cruel. People who are a few clicks off the beaten path get excitement from it, and/or a false sense of empowerment to compensate for their own deficiencies, whether they understand it or not. Hence the label of "sick". Michael Vick seems to fit this latter category.
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I understand what you are saying and agree totally. The ones that I talked about are cases where they liked torturing them little things, kinda like a drug for them - they hardly waited to do it again. And to me, they dont even resemble animals with that attitude. No animal would torture another just for joy.
 
foreigngirl said:
No animal would torture another just for joy.
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Uh... cats do. They swat a mouse around for shits and giggles and when it stops moving they just leave it there and don't eat it. One of a couple reasons I hate domestic cats.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Uh... cats do. They swat a mouse around for shits and giggle and when it stops moving they just leave it there and don't eat it. One of a couple reasons I hate domestic cats.
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I havent seen that. But then again, I havent seen a mouse in my life. I used to have cats back home. The last one I had, he caught a one of those small gray little birdies (I dont know the english name for it, but its common here too), ran under the couch and all that was left from the poor thing was the feathers
 
gotmilk said:
Which part of Michael Vick's "rights" were dismissed? He ran an illegal gambling ring, laundered money, violated interstate commerce laws for unregistered "business", and was facing 20 years under Federal RICO statutes.

He could have hired a vet and euthanized these dogs...he hung and drowned these dogs B....there was zero need for this behavior.

He's lucky to live in the U.S. where he has Constitutional rights. Some countries would be hanging him right about now.

By the way, do you condone how he lied about it in the first place? He thinks he's pretty cool using brutal methods to kill dogs and doesn't even have the testicles to admit to it in the first place.
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exactly.
 
rubberneck said:
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Fucking Christ Allmighty...


That's fucking horrible...


Seriously... :worried:

How can a 'MAN' sit there and watch something like that happen to an animal and then orchestrate such fights after witnessing that... that's just the lowest most disgusting behavior....

I'd cry for real... that's heart breaking...
 
Lestat said:
no, i do not believe people should go to prison for torturing animals.
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You do realize that a signficant % of convicted serial killers started off abusing animals? It's a crime that directly leads to other crimes.
 
Agreed
jh1 said:
There is a difference between hunting, it's a natual thing for carnivores and it's how we survive. Not much different than breathing, although there is a necessary cost.

Pitting two helpless animals against each other in a death match is purley for entertainment is something completely different.

To compare the two activities and to act as if there is no difference is beyond offensive.
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:rolleyes:


Bullshit. Cockfighting is also equally as illegal.

Again, hunting and raising animals for slaughter is not comparable to using animals to fight each other for betting and entertainment!

As far as his prison time and wether it fits the crime, who the fuck cares... the consequences of the crime are not hidden they are well known. He knew it was a crime... chock the fuck up and be man. He's a bitch. I hope the prison guards pit him up in fights against other inmates for their entertainment.

I suppose you think that's cool too?
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jh1 said:
He can play football all he wants, the goverment isn't going to stop him.

The problem is... everyone fucking hates him because of the peice of fucking shit he is and no NFL team would bring him on as player again.

Free Market.

Got to love it.

Hope he fucking rots in hell.
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jh1 said:
Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.
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jh1 said:
Fucking Christ Allmighty...


That's fucking horrible...


Seriously... :worried:

How can a 'MAN' sit there and watch something like that happen to an animal and then orchestrate such fights after witnessing that... that's just the lowest most disgusting behavior....

I'd cry for real... that's heart breaking...
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You should see if they're playing the most recent Real Sports. They went into it and it's just so fucking awful. It showed them euthanize a dog because it was raised to do nothing to fight and couldn't be trusted around people or other animals. I choked up. The thing looked so sad and responded well to the people that had to put it down. Like it trusted them and then he just went to sleep.
 
jnevin said:
You should see if they're playing the most recent Real Sports. They went into it and it's just so fucking awful. It showed them euthanize a dog because it was raised to do nothing to fight and couldn't be trusted around people or other animals. I choked up. The thing looked so sad and responded well to the people that had to put it down. Like it trusted them and then he just went to sleep.
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I saw some clips and it's hard to watch.

There was a video on the tubes along time ago, of a bear chained up and several pit bulls fighting it...

The dogs win when the bear 'submits' litterally rolls over and gives up...

So sad to see such a majestic powerfull beast like that just give up with like 5 dogs latched on to it trying to kill it...

Fucking shit makes me sick to my stomach...
 
Dial_tone said:
You do realize that a signficant % of convicted serial killers started off abusing animals? It's a crime that directly leads to other crimes.
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so we should punish him as a serial killer pre emptively?
 
Ok maybe I should clarify here then.

I do not believe you should do a year in prison for private gambling.

What's next? Jail time for fantast football leagues with cash payouts? Office pools?

I should also state my opinions on some other crimes that this country seems fit to put people in prison for:

Possession of marijuana, or possession or any drug for that matter.
use of steroids
prositution
gambling


cruelty to animals should carry a penalty, no doubt about it. I'd never argue otherwise.

I think hunting should be banned, period, it should not be allowed for sport in any circumstance.

Dog fighting, and cock fighting should be banned, and punishable by fines and service work.

heinous repeated cruelty to animals should carry a stiffer penalties upon susequent offenses.

This is how I see the Vick case.

He fucked up. he's stupid. He should have found a legal hobby. Something that wasn't cruel to animals. The better was just lame, it had no material impact to him or his income so why bother.

Does the guy deserve to be punished? yes.
name in the paper? yes
denounced by dog lovers. yes
pay some fines? yes
allowed to breed dogs? no
community service work? yes
probation? yes
prison? no
loss of MILLIONS in income? no


I know most of you don't like doing this, but I'll give you an example that may give you some of the feeling that I feel now.

Imagine this, you hear about how in parts of Africa, they will cut off your penis for adultury. How does that make you feel?

In China, money fraud can carry the death penalty. How does it make you feel?

In Singapore, you can be jailed, and canned for graffiti. How does that make you feel?

In Taliban controlled tribal areas, you will have your hand cut off for stealing. How does that make you feel?


Those feelings are the same ones I get when thinking about someone going to Prison for a year for their involvement in dog fighting. I don't get quite as extreme of a feeling or reation as I do with the other situations, but its similar. I feel like someone is being OVER punished. That there is a crime be comitted here, but he's getting piled on.

I don't think Vick is the only one, I see this other times for other crimes as well. I'm arguing about Vick specifically now though. I could make the case for some other people who have put in prison for possession of drugs (yes, simple possesion can land you in PRISON if its repeated or a 3rd strike).
 
jnevin said:
You should see if they're playing the most recent Real Sports. They went into it and it's just so fucking awful. It showed them euthanize a dog because it was raised to do nothing to fight and couldn't be trusted around people or other animals. I choked up. The thing looked so sad and responded well to the people that had to put it down. Like it trusted them and then he just went to sleep.
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i watched that as well. its terrible, I wish it could be eliminated altogether. I think its senseless.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
LOL most of elite C&C would be behind bars....
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yeah that is the ironic part. people who have no problem with using or posessing drugs. even possessing illegal drugs in homes where children are present. People who even derive substantial pieces of income from illegal sale of drugs.

I'm sure many people here speed, or possibly copy music or movies (federal crimes). All sorts of stuff that is illegal, but for whatever reasons don't carry extreme penalties or are not enforced to the full extent of the law.

The dog issue is an EMOTIONAL one for people. we all know that puppies are so cute, dogs are defenseless and innocent. It really stirs up anger in people to hear that a dog could have be brutally put to death. It stirs up MORE anger than hearing about an innocent person put to death in most cases.
 
Lestat said:
I do not believe you should do a year in prison for private gambling.
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This was not 40 guys hanging out for casino night in someone's house. They tortured animals and forced them to fight to the death.

What do you think you would feel like if Phaded and I grabbed you by the throat and stuffed your face in a tub of water until you stopped breathing. I've actually seen a dog fall off my boat and go into a panic seizure while in about 10 feet of water.

I think hunting should be banned, period, it should not be allowed for sport in any circumstance.
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It's never for "sport" unless it's on a private game reserve. Hunting is to maintain wild animal populations. Hell...the moose here in Maine sometimes breed in crazy numbers. Although...I'd like to kill off some of the people around to "cultivate" the inbreeders. I'm all for hunting people for sport...but people would get upset at that idea too. Coming from someone who sees deer, moose, ungodly amounts of wild turkeys....hunting is needed sometimes to guarantee healthy herds.

Dog fighting, and cock fighting should be banned, and punishable by fines and service work.
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Like failure to pay parking tickets? The punishment is to scare other people into not wanting to act the same way. What would a monetary fine and probation teach Mike Vick?

He fucked up. he's stupid. He should have found a legal hobby. Something that wasn't cruel to animals. The better was just lame, it had no material impact to him or his income so why bother.
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Because you can take the fools out of the ghetto but you can never take the ghetto out of the fools. He could have purchased old casino equipment and run an illegal gambling operation in his house. Cards, craps, slots, betting on sports. What he did was pretty sick. He could have hired a vet to euthanize any dogs...no questions asked.


loss of MILLIONS in income? no
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Absofriggenlutely he does. There's a difference between making a mistake and intentionally doing what he did. He's a thug with amazing football skills. There are millions of people in the U.S. who could use a break like Mike was given for years and they would never pull this horseshit.

Imagine this, you hear about how in parts of Africa, they will cut off your penis for adultury. How does that make you feel?
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Makes me feel like those guys should stick to their marriage vows or not get married. Don't fuck around if you're not ready to stop.

In China, money fraud can carry the death penalty. How does it make you feel?
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Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about.

In Singapore, you can be jailed, and canned for graffiti. How does that make you feel?
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My friends at Las Vegas Sands have the Singapore gaming license and I've been to Sentosa Island many times. Singapore is amazing, no trash anywhere, they recycle everything, and they have their shit together. $75 fine for spitting on the sidewalk. How do I feel about Singapore? Don't be a prick and intentionally break the law. Grow up, be a fucking responsible adult, and if you intentionally break the law, be prepared to face your punishment. There's no dipshit gangbangers, grafitti, or trash in Singapore....and places like Newark, Houston, Compton, Detroit, Richmond, and Hartford would no longer be armpits of their States if they learned a lesson from Singapore....

In Taliban controlled tribal areas, you will have your hand cut off for stealing. How does that make you feel?
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Oh noo....I should be able to steal and only get a monetary fine. Hey...my Dad saw a guy get his skull split with an axe for killing another families goats...moral of the story....don't kill my fucking food supply. I saw three Navy Seals drill a Taliban with a 50 cal rifle...and all because he was wearing Taliban clothing and carrying an AK-47


I feel like someone is being OVER punished. That there is a crime be comitted here, but he's getting piled on.
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18 months is not piling on.......15 years would have been excessive. His gambling ring borders on what Mobsters pull.

repeated or a 3rd strike).
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When you reach strike two, maybe it's time to grow up.
 
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Lestat said:
yeah that is the ironic part. people who have no problem with using or posessing drugs. even possessing illegal drugs in homes where children are present. People who even derive substantial pieces of income from illegal sale of drugs.

I'm sure many people here speed, or possibly copy music or movies (federal crimes). All sorts of stuff that is illegal, but for whatever reasons don't carry extreme penalties or are not enforced to the full extent of the law.

The dog issue is an EMOTIONAL one for people. we all know that puppies are so cute, dogs are defenseless and innocent. It really stirs up anger in people to hear that a dog could have be brutally put to death. It stirs up MORE anger than hearing about an innocent person put to death in most cases.
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Lestat said:
that is some FUCKED up shit I agree. stealing someone's pet to use in that manner is inexcusable.

but, vick hasn't been accused of that.

BUT that is one of the many reasons why the sport should be ILLEGAL and punished.

But as I said, my point is, he should not go to prison over this, NO ONE should for their first dog fighting offense, I don't care if they were the grandmaster of dog fighting. Fine the shit out of then, probation forever, never own a dog, something, but prison? Lets keep it real.
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Lestat said:
It stirs up MORE anger than hearing about an innocent person put to death in most cases.
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Sums up my entire arguement and why I am nauseated by all of the hypocracy on this thread.

Suffering is awful no matter who or what is suffering if it is a living thing, alligators and cows don't suffer any less when they are killed for their meat/skin but you don't see so many up in arms as alligators and cows are ugly I suppose.

But some of those same people actually make light of the suffering of humans.

THAT MAKES ME SICK - PERIOD.
 
lol @ gotmilk comparing drowning a dog to drowing a human.


folks, therein lies the problem!

goodnight!
 
think about other message boards out there where ignorant parents talk about how steroid dealers deserve LIFE in prison because of how steroid abuse can RUIN a child's life!
 
and my final wish for tonight... I just wish people in the world cared about human life 1/10th of what EF C&C posters cared about canine life.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
but you don't see so many up in arms as alligators and cows are ugly I suppose.
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I've been to India too...the ass crack of the Earth. They would fuck you up if you killed a cow.

Domesticated pets here the U.S. are looked upon differently than members of the food supply. I'd kill all the Wyeth employees who kill pregnant mares so that older woman can take a pill to avoid hot flashes. They drag pregnant mares into wading pools, shove a huge metal rod up their ass...and electrocute them to death...so that Wyeth can extract the pregnant mares urine..


Prempro....such a waste there too.
 
so lestank, when do we screenshot here? I'll put up mine for ya. I want my million K. I bet you find a way to pussy out of your challenge to me.
 
Lestat said:
lol @ gotmilk comparing drowning a dog to drowing a human.
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Nice comprehension.

I asked you how you think you would feel?

Would your eyes bug out? Would you gasp for air? Would you start thrashing?

Try understanding the difference between euthanizing pets and what I described above. When you see the difference, you will understand why Vick is giving up about 18 months of his life.

It's all about choices. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit the crime.
 
patsfan1379 said:
OK. Let's do some basic philosophy and logic. Two things you are so fond of.

1. You stated you think dogfighting is WRONG.
2. I'm going to assume you think it should STOP.
3. To get people to STOP something we think is WRONG, the gov't makes LAWS
4. LAWS punish people to STOP them from doing something WRONG
5. LAWS need to deter future offenders from doing said WRONG thing
6. In order to be effective, LAWS must communicated to the public
7. LAWS must be stiff enough to deter those people
8. Vick did something WRONG and broke the LAW
9. The gov't is using him to set a precedent to STOP others from breaking that LAW and doing something WRONG
10. Hence he needs to go to jail and have his life ruined to STOP others from breaking the LAW and doing something WRONG

Make sense?

Chop every coke addicts left hand off if they get caught. Overkill?? Maybe. But I bet there would be less coke on the streets in about a year...
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anyone respond to this? im def not reading 18 pages lol
 
Lestat said:
and my final wish for tonight... I just wish people in the world cared about human life 1/10th of what EF C&C posters cared about canine life.
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Come on man, you know thats a ridiculous statement.

It's the "defenseless" part that gets peoples blood boiling no matter what the creature. An elderly woman getting punched in the face by a two bit crackhead for 10 bucks is just as enraging as dogfighting. Ya feel me?

Wheres your screenshot (unaltered) or my million K?
 
patsfan1379 said:
Come on man, you know thats a ridiculous statement.

It's the "defenseless" part that gets peoples blood boiling no matter what the creature. An elderly woman getting punched in the face by a two bit crackhead for 10 bucks is just as enraging as dogfighting. Ya feel me?

Wheres your screenshot (unaltered) or my million K?
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patsfan for mod.. and recommendation for new owner of the board.
 
Lestat plays devil's advocate in nearly EVERY argument. He validates his pseudo-existential bullshit by forming an alternate (yet better according to him) viewpoint and molds ANY reasoning to fit his standpoint.
 
If he's playing devil's advocate to purposely be controversial and create a dialog, hats off - thread of the week. Fucker blew the fuck up.
 
patsfan1379 said:
Lestat plays devil's advocate in nearly EVERY argument. He validates his pseudo-existential bullshit by forming an alternate (yet better according to him) viewpoint and molds ANY reasoning to fit his standpoint.
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reminds me of a woman.
 
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