The Vick Case

[hanselthecaretaker]

you are using another animal's life for your sport, plain and simple. you can argue yourself in circles all you want, but the facts are the facts.

He OWNED these dogs. He did this on his private property.

Had it been any sort of livestock without "dog feelings" he would have been ok. Imagine he raised game birds, as my grandfather did, he routinely would walk to the pen, grab one, and RING ITS NECK until dead.

But Vick needs to do PRISON time for being mean to dogs. THAT is offensive.

Maybe this has already been mentioned, (and I emphasize the bold points for much needed clarity and contrast between what's normal and what he did) but hunting with a license for wild animals is quite a bit different from the illegal activity of dog fighting on your property or not, not to mention inhumane torture for personal amusement,. Torturing ants with a magnifying glass as a kid is one thing, but an adult taking that behavior a few steps further has no place in society.

When a Bad Newz Kennels dog was wounded in a losing fight, NFL star Michael Vick was consulted before the animal was doused with water and electrocuted. That’s just one of the gruesome details that emerged Tuesday when the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others were indicted by a federal grand jury…

About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”

“Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I’m a person who faces this stuff every day,” Goodwin said. “I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them, and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution — they’re unnecessary and just sick.”…

Before fights, participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog’s coat that could affect the other dog’s performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren’t fed to “make it more hungry for the other dog.”

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/18/michael-vick-indicted-for-torturing-and-killing-dogs/

In short, he sick in the head and should at least be locked up. I think a better punishment would be to let a pack of rabid dogs go at him in a cage til they're done. He could be the best qb in the world but this type of shit is completely uncalled for in a civilized country.

 

[jh1]

Maybe this has already been mentioned, (and I emphasize the bold points for much needed clarity and contrast between what's normal and what he did) but hunting with a license for wild animals is quite a bit different from the illegal activity of dog fighting on your property or not, not to mention inhumane torture for personal amusement,. Torturing ants with a magnifying glass as a kid is one thing, but an adult taking that behavior a few steps further has no place in society.

When a Bad Newz Kennels dog was wounded in a losing fight, NFL star Michael Vick was consulted before the animal was doused with water and electrocuted. That’s just one of the gruesome details that emerged Tuesday when the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others were indicted by a federal grand jury…

About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”

“Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I’m a person who faces this stuff every day,” Goodwin said. “I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them, and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution — they’re unnecessary and just sick.”…

Before fights, participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog’s coat that could affect the other dog’s performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren’t fed to “make it more hungry for the other dog.”

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/18/michael-vick-indicted-for-torturing-and-killing-dogs/

In short, he sick in the head and should at least be locked up. I think a better punishment would be to let a pack of rabid dogs go at him in a cage til they're done. He could be the best qb in the world but this type of shit is completely uncalled for in a civilized country.

That's some sick fucking shit right there...

I am all for prison for anyone that was a party to that, much less orchestrated it...

 

[Lestat]

its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.

 

[jh1]

its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.

If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?

 

[CrazyRussian]

its brutal and greusome, no doubt.

slap his ass with fines and community service in local kennels.

but prison? no.

Once again, you fucking dumbass.

Vick is charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He had pleaded not guilty last month and vowed to clear his name at a November trial.

It baffles me how you keep commenting on the sentencing in a case in which you don't even know the god damn charges. Jesus christ stupid people piss me off

 

[jnevin]

If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?

jaywalking

Other reasons not to go to jail: loan fraud (it's only money), embezzelment (see previous), theft/ burglary (nobody technically gets hurt, and they're only possessions), drug dealing (you don't die if you know when to say when, and theft to support a habit will now be encouraged), drunk driving (obviously ), assault (if they don't die, no harm).

 

[Lestat]

If that's not punishible by imprisonment, what exactly should be?

murder, assault, theft, torture, extortion, etc.

 

[Lestat]

wow, so I think that Vick should not go to prison for dog fighting and that make me an idiot.

i'm obviously debating with intelligent being here.

 

[CrazyRussian]

wow, so I think that Vick should not go to prison for dog fighting and that make me an idiot.

i'm obviously debating with intelligent being here.

Let me repeat this for the third time



He is not going to prison for dog fighting. He is going to prison for racketeering, conspiracy, gambling, and interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities

 

[Tytan]

Dude, Vick is guilty of something here, I`m not sure to what degree he was involved, but I don`t thinkit was enough to serve prison time.