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The Ten Biggest Frauds In Bodybuilding
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Parabellum
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Cybergenics worked for me about 12 years ago. But I was so young that anything with food would ahve worked, people thought I was on steriods.
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Atomic Punk
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Well the people whom you said not to mention, are my 2 biggest frauds actually brother. For YEARS Joe Weider Inc. sold products that had absolutely ZERO product in them. I still remember(among other things) stuff like the "protein" his company marketted in that giant dog food bag, that costs shitloads at GNC(The only place you could buy that type of thing back in the day), and had probably about 5% of what the label claimed it as having--not to mention a SHITLOAD of carbs, fat, and who knows what else. The only reason he got his shit together(well, for him I mean), is because companies started to come along with products that were actually backed up by lab tests, science, and people with a degree of actual concern that they were providing a good product for the consumer, and not just taking the money from their hands. Not to mention that this guy always took credit for practically EVERYTHING THAT EVER FUCKING EXISTED in the BB world. "Weider Principles" covered basic shit like "super-setting". That was his idea.
. He would advertise his supplements and have guys that relied on him as their sole source of income, backing them, while at the same time promoting Weider to be some "guru". These BB'ers who promoted his shit products sold their soul in my opinion. I understand the reasoning, being that they wanted to be BB'ers, and lying to consumers about Joe Weiders ripoff products was surely a condition of their employment. Not to mention, that he probably payed them jack anyhow I'd venture to guess. He lived off of the blood of those old-school BB'ers for years, as well as the consumer who believed what he said to be true as far as his supplements. Basicly, he is the a white Don King of the BB world as far as I'm concerned. A Vince Mcmahon. Now granted, since there has become considereable competition these days as far as quality supplements go, his company probably had no choice but to actually start living up to their labels claims.
My second is Bill Phillips. I admired the shit out of him at one time, until he went to condeming steroids. I understand that he was in the supplement biz, and to use Muscle Media as a steroid info mag was kind of counter-productive. I mean if you own your own magazime, and are trying to market a line of supplements at the same time, it doesn't make much sense to devote articles to steroids, while your supps sit on the shelves because of them. Still though, I didn't like it at the time when MM2K stopped writing about juice and the like. That was also awhile back, but at the time, MM2K was a breath of fresh air from the usual weider bullshit about how taking his dogfood bags of "protein Powder" was how guys got so big. Bill seemed honest, cared about people who chose to use roids as far as: 1. Knowing the right AAS to take. 2 Sterility issues. 3 Fakes. And so on. Then all of the sudden BAM...no more talking about steroids at all. It was all about his over-priced supplements after that. Pissed me off, since I hadn't yet discovered Internet BB Boards at that time. Now, it really doesn't matter. I have you juice-heads to guide me if I need it!
Anyhow, I feel that he pulled some of the same shit Weider did with a few of his supps. He won over peoples trust with his honesty about certian issues. Then used that trust to milk people out of their money with supplements that were 1. Overpriced, and 2. Questionable. EAS does have some good pruducts, but stuff like HMB, and their claims about Myoplex definitely REEK of Weider back in the day. I dunno...rant over(hold the applause).
. He would advertise his supplements and have guys that relied on him as their sole source of income, backing them, while at the same time promoting Weider to be some "guru". These BB'ers who promoted his shit products sold their soul in my opinion. I understand the reasoning, being that they wanted to be BB'ers, and lying to consumers about Joe Weiders ripoff products was surely a condition of their employment. Not to mention, that he probably payed them jack anyhow I'd venture to guess. He lived off of the blood of those old-school BB'ers for years, as well as the consumer who believed what he said to be true as far as his supplements. Basicly, he is the a white Don King of the BB world as far as I'm concerned. A Vince Mcmahon. Now granted, since there has become considereable competition these days as far as quality supplements go, his company probably had no choice but to actually start living up to their labels claims. My second is Bill Phillips. I admired the shit out of him at one time, until he went to condeming steroids. I understand that he was in the supplement biz, and to use Muscle Media as a steroid info mag was kind of counter-productive. I mean if you own your own magazime, and are trying to market a line of supplements at the same time, it doesn't make much sense to devote articles to steroids, while your supps sit on the shelves because of them. Still though, I didn't like it at the time when MM2K stopped writing about juice and the like. That was also awhile back, but at the time, MM2K was a breath of fresh air from the usual weider bullshit about how taking his dogfood bags of "protein Powder" was how guys got so big. Bill seemed honest, cared about people who chose to use roids as far as: 1. Knowing the right AAS to take. 2 Sterility issues. 3 Fakes. And so on. Then all of the sudden BAM...no more talking about steroids at all. It was all about his over-priced supplements after that. Pissed me off, since I hadn't yet discovered Internet BB Boards at that time. Now, it really doesn't matter. I have you juice-heads to guide me if I need it!
Anyhow, I feel that he pulled some of the same shit Weider did with a few of his supps. He won over peoples trust with his honesty about certian issues. Then used that trust to milk people out of their money with supplements that were 1. Overpriced, and 2. Questionable. EAS does have some good pruducts, but stuff like HMB, and their claims about Myoplex definitely REEK of Weider back in the day. I dunno...rant over(hold the applause).
HA! Seems like I ruffled a few feathers in the geek pit at BB.com Props to the one guy willing to show the Emperor has no clothes by saying that Bic Cat is 160 pounds. Hail the steroid master! LOL.
The thing about Jeff Summers is; he's got a lot of $$$ Why couldn't he put out a serious supplement line and promote the shit out of it? Why scam people ? I guess it's all they know. They also dont have the knowledge or imagination or skills to do anything of quality.
Sure, Joe Weider was the self promotional king, but so what? It's so blatent it's almost funny. At least he contributed something. What has Jeff Summers contributed? Guys sold their soul to work for Weider? Worked out pretty good for Arnold.
As much as I think it sucked that Bill Phillips sold out. And as much as I may think he's a prick, he did contibute a lot. And I now have a better understanding of his "about face". I heard stories of how people would stop by the offices with gear -- shooting up, selling, looking for advice, looking for sources. It was out of control and he was trying to run a business. Can't blame the guy for bailing.
The thing about Jeff Summers is; he's got a lot of $$$ Why couldn't he put out a serious supplement line and promote the shit out of it? Why scam people ? I guess it's all they know. They also dont have the knowledge or imagination or skills to do anything of quality.
Sure, Joe Weider was the self promotional king, but so what? It's so blatent it's almost funny. At least he contributed something. What has Jeff Summers contributed? Guys sold their soul to work for Weider? Worked out pretty good for Arnold.
As much as I think it sucked that Bill Phillips sold out. And as much as I may think he's a prick, he did contibute a lot. And I now have a better understanding of his "about face". I heard stories of how people would stop by the offices with gear -- shooting up, selling, looking for advice, looking for sources. It was out of control and he was trying to run a business. Can't blame the guy for bailing.
