*The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruising*

[yautja]

man this guy has been banned off a few different boards that i have seen.
they cant stand him over at AR.

 

[Ross]

Ross,

That graph you showed is just another example of exogenous AAS suppressing testosterone 80-90%. If you actually look at the graph – while keeping in mind your such diligent discrepancy between INHIBITION and SHUTDOWN, the Deca only caused INHIBITITION, and did not completely shut down testosterone production.

So, testosterone and Deca are no more inhibitory than the 17aa orals you mentioned.

Plus, the doses you recommended were way higher than the studies I mentioned showing 50-80% decreases in testosterone. Your 80mg+ Bridge recommendation will not allow recovery. That is a fact.

Look at the studies comparing a 5mg dose of a 17aa oral, compared to a 50mg dose of test. You get the same inhibition. You have a nice theory, but you are simply mistaken about the “minimal interference with HPTA function” associated with these 17aa orals.

-Pp

Did you REALLY just say that "testosterone and Deca are no more inhibitory than the 17aa orals" I had mentioned?

Deca is not more supressive than ANAVAR?!

Deca is not more supressive than TURINABOL!?

What about Proviron???? LOL

Bro, take a dude who has never cycled. Put him on 200mgs of primobolan for 8 weeks, get him tested DURING and AFTER.

During and after the Primobolan cycle he will have AVERAGE levels of testosterone, in most cases.

NOW, do the same thing with another guy with a FRESH HPTA, but use 200mgs of DECA instead.

He will be completely SHUTDOWN during and after. Period.

SO, I REPEAT, you CAN use Dianabol, Primobolan, and Turinabol with MINIMAL interference to the HPTA.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Did you REALLY just say that "testosterone and Deca are no more inhibitory than the 17aa orals" I had mentioned?

Deca is not more supressive than ANAVAR?!

Deca is not more supressive than TURINABOL!?

What about Proviron???? LOL

Bro, take a dude who has never cycled. Put him on 200mgs of primobolan for 8 weeks, get him tested DURING and AFTER.

During and after the Primobolan cycle he will have AVERAGE levels of testosterone, in most cases.

NOW, do the same thing with another guy with a FRESH HPTA, but use 200mgs of DECA instead.

He will be completely SHUTDOWN during and after. Period.

SO, I REPEAT, you CAN use Dianabol, Primobolan, and Turinabol with MINIMAL interference to thh HPTA.

Yep, that’s what I said.

You are correct about Primo, but wrong about the 17aa orals.

-Pp

 

[Ross]

Yep, that’s what I said.

You are correct about Primo, but wrong about the 17aa orals.

-Pp

Just to clarify, because I am shocked:

Deca is not more supressive than ANAVAR?!

Deca is not more supressive than TURINABOL!?

What about Proviron????

If you believe this, I have SEVERELY overestimated your intelligence. LOL

You are a good guy...I do enjoy the discourse.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Just to clarify, because I am shocked:

Deca is not more supressive than ANAVAR?!

Deca is not more supressive than TURINABOL!?

What about Proviron????

If you believe this, I have SEVERELY overestimated your intelligence. LOL

You are a good guy...I do enjoy the discourse.

Ok bud, lets discourse.

What mg dose are you comparing Deca to Anavar?

-Pp

 

[Ross]

Ok bud, lets discourse.

What mg dose are you comparing Deca to Anavar?

-Pp

Let's assume my minimum dosages for bridging or "Pre-PCT":

Anavar: 20mgs

Dianabol: 10-15mgs

Turinabol: 30mgs

Winstrol: 25mgs

Primobolan: 200mg(inj)/50mg(Oral)

 

[Primordial Performance]

Let's assume my minimum dosages for bridging or "Pre-PCT":

Anavar: 20mgs

Dianabol: 10-15mgs

Turinabol: 30mgs

Winstrol: 25mgs

Primobolan: 200mg(inj)/50mg(Oral)

And what dose of Deca? 1:1?

-Pp

 

[Ross]

And what dose of Deca? 1:1?

-Pp

ANY DOSE!

Let's assume a MINIMAL effective dosage, which is 200mgs.

 

[drdug27]

ill give ya this you are FUCKING JACKED! Jesus man.

 

[Primordial Performance]

ANY DOSE!

Let's assume a MINIMAL effective dosage, which is 200mgs.

This is a totally skewed comparison because of pharmacokinetic differences of these drugs. One has 4 hr half-life, while the other has a 10 day half life.

At any rate, to make the comparison fair - it would be one shot of 200mg of Deca compared to 15mg/day of 17aa oral for TWO WEEKS. You would have about 60-70% inhibition of LH/FSH after the two weeks. So yes, I believe nandrolone is just as inhibitory as any 17aa oral you mentioned (give or take 10%)

-Pp