*The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruising*

[CBAR]

SO what your saying is something like this:
my cycle,
1-20 sust 125 ed
1-12 masteron 75 ed
10-18 tren 75 ed
20-24 masteron (pre-pct) 75 mg EOD
24-28 clomid 50 mg ed

32-52 new cycle

 

[Bruce]

why in the hell would you ever come off of primo as short ester, its not a short ester its enth.

 

[tshoot]

If your interested in preventing suppression while on AAS this article may be of some interest to you guys –

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/potratz/opioid-modulation.htm

Have you had a chance to read this Ross?

-Pp

Good read. Now I just need to know where I can find Naloxone, Naltrexone or Nalmefene. And I guess no more weekend social drinking since these drugs kill the high from the alcohol. Also, since the article also mentions Arimidex, Aromasin and Letro as ways to reduce estrogen during the cycle, what are you recommending to prevent suppression from the nandrolone based AAS like Tren/Deca/NPP - Cabergoline .5 mg E3D? I know that the article recommends not using nandrolones but I don't think that is going to happen - Tren and Deca are still too popular here. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, do you know anyone who has tried this protocol successfully while using AAS? The theories sound plausible but I like real world experience.

 

[Sam5]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

In 4-6 weeks, your HPTA will BEGIN to recover. I have bloodwork to confirm this.

Even if you've been on moderate to high doses of test and deca for almost a year. My educated intuition would tell me not. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but that someone like me would need to administer the low androgenic oral much longer to get the desired effect that you speak of. IMO I think that cruising is more apt for my situation or HRT, but I would just administer that myself anyways.

 

[Ross]

why in the hell would you ever come off of primo as short ester, its not a short ester its enth.

Using Primobolan Enanthate or Acetate for a FINISHER or for ACTIVE recovery is fine, because it is so minimally supressive.

In a FINISHER, we use the Primobolan while our long-estered Testosterone clears the system. Using the Oral Acetate, we can discontinue the Primo exactly 2 weeks after our final testosterone shot, and then immediately begin PCT. This way, we remain anabolic right up until PCT!

During an active recovery, we use Primobolan while the HPTA BEGINS to recover.

 

[Ross]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

Even if you've been on moderate to high doses of test and deca for almost a year. My educated intuition would tell me not. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but that someone like me would need to administer the low androgenic oral much longer to get the desired effect that you speak of. IMO I think that cruising is more apt for my situation or HRT, but I would just administer that myself anyways.

If you are on Testosterone and Deca for over a YEAR, then you DEFINITELY require a LONGER ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD.

Good questions brotha!

 

[Mac173]

Using Primobolan Enanthate or Acetate for a FINISHER or for ACTIVE recovery is fine, because it is so minimally supressive.

In a FINISHER, we use the Primobolan while our long-estered Testosterone clears the system. Using the Oral Acetate, we can discontinue the Primo exactly 2 weeks after our final testosterone shot, and then immediately begin PCT. This way, we remain anabolic right up until PCT!

During an active recovery, we use Primobolan while the HPTA BEGINS to recover.

Ok, but what about compounds like dbol which are much more supressive than primo?
Or is the dose that you suggest for these particular compounds low enough to not cause any issues?

 

[Ross]

Ok, but what about compounds like dbol which are much more supressive than primo?
Or is the dose that you suggest for these particular compounds low enough to not cause any issues?

Precisely!

At 10-15mgs ED, Dianabol will allow for partial HPTA recovery.

So will 20mgs of Anavar, 30mgs of Turinabol, 200mgs of Masteron, 200mgs of Primo, 25mgs of Winstrol, and 200mgs of EQ.

If you exceed my suggested dosages, you will NOT recover. At higher dosages, most of these compounds WILL cause significant HPTA inhibition.

 

[Sam5]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

If you are on Testosterone and Deca for over a YEAR, then you DEFINITELY require a LONGER ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD.

Good questions brotha!

Thats what I was thinking. Sorry if I wasn't applying my questions right.
I've only been on the deca since the end of January of this year, but the test I have been doing for close to 11 months. I'm starting a cruise right now of 200mg of cyp every 6th day and I'll do that for awhile unless my weight starts really dropping and everything just starts going to shit. I feel right now that I am just wasting gear so whats the point. All things combined I'm doing 2.5 grams a week and not moving in weight or strength.

 

[tshoot]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

Thats what I was thinking. Sorry if I wasn't applying my questions right.
I've only been on the deca since the end of January of this year, but the test I have been doing for close to 11 months. I'm starting a cruise right now of 200mg of cyp every 6th day and I'll do that for awhile unless my weight starts really dropping and everything just starts going to shit. I feel right now that I am just wasting gear so whats the point. All things combined I'm doing 2.5 grams a week and not moving in weight or strength.

Sam5, were you making consistent gains for most of the 11 months? Also, how is your libido and testicular size after this long of a cycle? I can't imagine runnining non-stop for that long but it must have been working for you.