The Perfect Cycle - My Search

[wolfpuppy]

I am just curious, to the OP....
-how old are you?
-how long have you been working out?
-what type of split or routine do you follow?
-what is your diet like?

39 years old.

On and off for 6 years. Last two years have been steady and continuous.

Full body twice a week. Thinking about an upper/lower split soon.

The past two weeks I've been in "maintanance mode" because of the holidays. Next week I'll be back in cutting mode: Protein = 180g, Fat = 68g, Carbs = 240g. I've lost about 10 pounds of fat in 6 weeks (slow and steady). Anther 10 pounds of fat and then I'll start increasing my calories and start The Perfect Cycle (or as close to it as I can get).

I'm 6 feet and weigh 200lbs now at 16% bf.

 

[wolfpuppy]

I think starting with low, thought out dosages is the way to go. My best cycle was sust 250/week for 10 weeks, dbol 20mg/day for first 4 weeks. I recovered quickly from it despite being 38 at the time. I know Nelson likes short cycles but this one worked really well for me. When it comes to short cycles I like dbol/var/test(prop). I have ran a few 6 weekers using these compounds with success and minimal suppression which is important to me.

Sounds like a good cycle but I'd rather start even more conservative in the beginning. My biggest problem is going to be trying to get my contact to give me what I want instead of what he thinks is best. Since I'm a newbie he'll think I don't know what I'm talking about.

I've seen nelson's cycle work, they do what they claim to do. What I don't get is why to cut it in half, even for a beginner. The doses are already quite conservative, imo you can go as high as you want as long as you manage to keep your endo test high. In the end it still won't be a heavy cycle.

Since I'm new to this I'll differ to the more experienced and knowledgeable. Not saying that you're not one of those, but after reading Bottomline Bodybuilding I'm hyped to try th Perfect Cycle. I will up the doses next cycle in. When I get more comfortable I'll start experimenting some more, but not too much.

 

[HAYEZ]

four week cycle! Garabage

i agree..this laid out cycle is pointless...might as well burn your money

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks for getting back to me. It's funny but all the steroid "gurus" think Clen is fantastic. Even before I read your opinion I wasn't keen on the idea. I've been able to lose fat with just watching my diet. The last thing I want to try for the first time is both gear and Clen.

Money isn't really an object for me so I would love to try The Perfect Cycle. Seems like it will be harder to get than I thought. I'm going to try and push him for Primo and forget the Tren. I figure the Test Prop will be an okay substitute for Test Cyp or Eth.

Regarding the Proviron, it seems you now recommend some Arimidex, UNLEASHED, and POST CYCLE instead. Is this correct?

If you were to write The Perfect Cycle today how would it look?

My genetics will not let me get bigger than say Frank Zane or Sylvester Stallone so I'm not really interested in taking lots of gear. I'm more concerned about my health but I think the benifit to risk ratio is worth it if I stay on short cycles.

Now with UNLEASHED, there's no need for Proviron . If I were to revamp it today I'd extend the Primo another week and add an extra 100 mgs to that dosing. The Sus is negotiable but it contains prop for that "instant hit" though I don;t think that makes that much of a difference.

HAYEZ is speaking for himself. he'd already admitted he doesn;t mind losing libido or using vet gear. He's never used pharm. He's always on. Those are very different ideals from many of the people who want to try using steroids for a little bump.

The dosages are low and may not need to be cut in half for a beginner but it's alwasy easy to go up in dosage. I find that when first doing roids, guys train harder and eat better and THAT brings about most of the gains. But I understand, today, the thinking is to do stick as much in your ass as possible and then sit on it and wait for the magic to begin.

 

[HAYEZ]

Now with UNLEASHED, there's no need for Proviron . If I were to revamp it today I'd extend the Primo another week. The Sus is negotiable but it contains prop for that "instant hit" though I don;t think that makes that much of a difference.

HAYEZ is speaking for himself. he'd already admitted he doesn;t mind losing libido or using vet gear. He's never used pharm. He's always on. Those are very different ideals from many of the people who want to try using steroids for a little bump.

The dosages are low and may not need to be cut in half for a beginner but it's alwasy easy to go up in dosage. I find that when first doing roids, guys train harder and eat better and THAT brings about most of the gains. But I understand, today, the thinking is to do stick as much in your ass as possible and then sit on it and wait for the magic to begin.

i was saying a 4 week cycle with that low of doses is going to achieve nothing..doesnt even give it time to work

 

[Nelson Montana]

i was saying a 4 week cycle with that low of doses is going to achieve nothing..doesnt even give it time to work

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Oh, in that case you're just wrong. Why would muscle wait to grow in later weeks and not the first ones? You're actually MORE receptive in the beginning.

Up until 1990 or so, the standard length for a cycle was 6 weeks. Are you saying that didn't work?

I've never gone over 6 weeks. I've never gone over 600 mgs a week. Maybe that's why I still had a functional HPTA into my late 40's.

 

[iceman7230]

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Oh, in that case you're just wrong. Why would muscle wait to grow in later weeks and not the first ones? You're actually MORE receptive in the beginning.

Up until 1990 or so, the standard length for a cycle was 6 weeks. Are you saying that didn't work?

I've never gone over 6 weeks. I've never gone over 600 mgs a week. Maybe that's why I still had a functional HPTA into my late 40's.

How could you have a functional HTPA when you are on TRT? Are you planning on having kids. I am not trying to be rude I am just interested.

 

[Nelson Montana]

How could you have a functional HTPA when you are on TRT? Are you planning on having kids. I am not trying to be rude I am just interested.

I didn't go on HRT until I was 48. And even then, my levels were in the acceptable range but I convinced my doc to put me on because I wanted them to be on the higher side. To this day I only use 100mgs a week and my T is still around 800-900 and my Free T is on the high end of a 30 year old. (Which I attribute to daily dosing of UNLEASHED).

So bottom line -- my gear use didn't hurt my HPTA. How many guys who swear by 16 week cycles can say that?

 

[the_alcatraz]

I actually agree with Hayez...

I don't really feel the test and some other aas until week 2-3

How do you cycle for 4 weeks, and so many different compounds?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I actually agree with Hayez...

I don't really feel the test and some other aas until week 2-3

How do you cycle for 4 weeks, and so many different compounds?

That many compounds aren't necessary. That's just a very elitist cycle with premier compounds.

I always felt gear within a few days. When you train naturally for 20 years, that'll happen.