The Official Genetic Limitation Thread

[Debaser]

DRUGS. Do you really think bodybuilders train smarter than the old schoolers? It is in fact the exact opposite. Reg Park and the like knew how to train far more productively than many of today's pros. Because they didn't use extreme gear dosages they had to figure out what WORKED.

 

[WalkingBeast]

DRUGS. Do you really think bodybuilders train smarter than the old schoolers? It is in fact the exact opposite. Reg Park and the like knew how to train far more productively than many of today's pros. Because they didn't use extreme gear dosages they had to figure out what WORKED.

True. I agree. I should of asked it better. I meant why is it that greg kovacs abuses drugs as does ronnie and one gets alot bigger then the other? Im thinking Kovacs takes more drugs. Maybe Im wrong. But in such a case its hard to tell if ronnie has really reached his limit. Maybe he needs to take more drugs, or even eat more?

 

[louden_swain]

DRUGS. Do you really think bodybuilders train smarter than the old schoolers? It is in fact the exact opposite. Reg Park and the like knew how to train far more productively than many of today's pros. Because they didn't use extreme gear dosages they had to figure out what WORKED.

I think many of todays pros are straight up dumb. They will inject anything.

I thought that Dorian was smart and meticulous about his training and diet.

 

[Warpath]

well i dont belive in a genetic limit, and im not on steriods.

and needsize............. you have some of my utmost respect on this board......but you say you tried everything. did you try wsb and quit making gains???........not trying to piss you off, i know you trained with a powerlifter for a while, im just doing a logical debate....

i used to belive i had bad genetics and small wrist, but my wrist have gotten bigger, and my genetics seem to be improving, hmmmm........ i guess im just special.


X

It doesnt matter whether you believe in genetic limits or not, because they exist, you may also not believe in gravity, but it exists. Skeletal muscle can hypertrophy to a degree in response to increased load if adequate nutrients are supplied in an appropriate anabolic environment, but they cant divide and increase in number (hyperplasia). On a purely mechanical argument, the nuclei can only accomodate so much transcription activity to produce the actin and myosin that compose skeletal muscle. Once the myofibril reaches a certain size, transcription cant keep up with demands. Hence, you have a genetic limit.

 

[needsize]

just an idea needsize, but you seem to stay fairly lean, below 15% at all times, why dont you try going above that, maybe to 20% and will throw your body out of sync, and maybe help out your delemia.

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I dont know if I've gone over 15%, ubt during that 3 year period where I couldnt gain anything, I did try upping my calories to 6000-8000 per day. I ened up with very minimal strength increases, and no size gained. This past year, on gear, I went up to 13%, which was pretty high for me, and all it did was add more crap that I had to diet off when contest time came.

This time around I'm trying something a little different..I always get 250-300grams of protein per day, minimum, this time around the minimum is 400grams, 500 if I can do it, so we'll see what that does

 

[Little Wing]

i think we have genetic limitations.....
just how many of us will ever reach them?

1-2%

years of the "perfect routine" (that changes)

years of the "perfect diet" (if you can find it)

 

[wlhosch]

I plan on having some elephant genes spliced into my own. I expect the women to line up at the gym.

 

[sk*]

you may also not believe in gravity, but it exists.

Not really man.

-sk

 

[Debaser]

There are 2 reasons why an elephant would be a total god in bed.

1. His trunk is prehensile. That means he can move it around while inside.

2. His tongue is right by his trunk.

Think about it.

 

[sk*]

There are 2 reasons why an elephant would be a total god in bed.

1. His trunk is prehensile. That means he can move it around while inside.

2. His tongue is right by his trunk.

Think about it.

Is there something you aren't telling us debaser? Are you really an elephant in disguise?

-sk