The Official Genetic Limitation Thread

[Exodus]

It's nuts to think we don't have genetic limitations. Also it's ironic when a lot the people who are arguing that there are none are on steroids. If genetics limits didn't exist, I would be able to achieve a pro bodybuilder caliber physique without drugs. It's simply not going to happen. And it's not for lack of the right attitude or lack of trying hard enough, it's just not possible.

well i dont belive in a genetic limit, and im not on steriods.

and needsize............. you have some of my utmost respect on this board......but you say you tried everything. did you try wsb and quit making gains???........not trying to piss you off, i know you trained with a powerlifter for a while, im just doing a logical debate....

i used to belive i had bad genetics and small wrist, but my wrist have gotten bigger, and my genetics seem to be improving, hmmmm........ i guess im just special.


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[JOKER47]

Is this "argument" about possible genetic limitations with regard to gaining muscle mass, or limitations regarding strength?

I seem to be hearing both of those during these genetic limitation posts and threads. Wrist size determing if you can lift really heavy weights, hard-gainers, etc......


Muscle mass-wise - Perhaps there is a limit to what one can grow to naturally. Needsize may very well be a perfect example of that. As well as B-Fold. He has stated himself that he has a hard time staying above 285. (I believe that was the weight.)

Strength-wise - This is where I think a lot of the heated arguments stem from. I DO NOT believe that there is a limit to how strong someone can become. B-Fold again as an example: He gets stronger and stronger all the time, yet his wieght stays somewhat stagnant. I am the same way, right now. I am getting stronger, but my weight hasn't changed in the last few months.

My point being: I think it needs to be clarified what exactly the limitations we are debating are for. Size vs strength. I don;t think they are related, when discussing genetic limitations.


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[needsize]

and needsize............. you have some of my utmost respect on this board......but you say you tried everything. did you try wsb and quit making gains???........not trying to piss you off, i know you trained with a powerlifter for a while, im just doing a logical debate....
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Didnt try the actual wsb system as this was 5 years ago, I had no internet access and none of the reseach that I had done came up with that approach, was it even around back then?
I have no doubt in my mind that I hit my limit back then. 3 years of putting everything you have into training, nutrition and rest, completely dedicating myself to the lifestyle, and not gaining a pound, no doubt at all in my mind. Even now with the use of steroids, my body still does not want to gain any more mass, no matter what I do. And when I come off, my body immediately attempts to go back to the size it was before I ever did a cycle

 

[Exodus]

just an idea needsize, but you seem to stay fairly lean, below 15% at all times, why dont you try going above that, maybe to 20% and will throw your body out of sync, and maybe help out your delemia.

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[Imakarum_Mirabilis]

If you have genes, then you have a genetic limit. However, you won't know what that is until you give it your all. Even then, it is rare to hit it.

 

[WalkingBeast]

If you have genes, then you have a genetic limit. However, you won't know what that is until you give it your all. Even then, it is rare to hit it.

Good thing I dont wear genes..........

 

[Exodus]

If you have genes, then you have a genetic limit. However, you won't know what that is until you give it your all. Even then, it is rare to hit it.

now theres some logical proof. show me something documented, scientifically, untill then, no one should say there is a limit.,....in my honest opinion.

we have constantly evolved in levels of size and strength, but there has never been any proof of a limit. other wise ronnie coleman would still be as big as reg park, and scott mendelson would still only be as strong as grimmick.

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[Imakarum_Mirabilis]

By the way, genes don't care what anyone thinks, believes, or feels. Science doesn't feed on whim.

 

[Debaser]

we have constantly evolved in levels of size and strength, but there has never been any proof of a limit. other wise ronnie coleman would still be as big as reg park, and scott mendelson would still only be as strong as grimmick.

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You don't think there are OTHER factors accounting for Ronnie's success? Maybe the huge amounts of gear, GH, insulin, etc? And as gul dukat said, his bodyweight doesn't appear to be changing much despite his shit-heavy training, vicious overeating and extreme drug dosages.

 

[WalkingBeast]

What about Greg Kovacs with his claimed 27 inch arms And competes at over 350 ripped?