The Myth Of "Keepable" Gains

[no1_brawler]

guys think that just because they are 1 week into pct ( 3 weeks post last inject) that they are recovering and gaining strength and cycle is over,,,,,, uumm news flash people steroids are still influencing your endocrine system well after PCT !!!!!!!!

IMO your not recovered until a good 2-3 months go by then you see what youve gained hence KEPT

Well it was 4months after my PCT and i kept all 35lbs. See this is the bullshit im talking about, you guys wont drop it. Just because you cant keep most of the gains, doesnt mean other people can't, get that through your head. Not only me, but my bro whos in his 20's kept 80% of his gains for one full year and then he went on another cycle. I dont know if you guys just react different or maybe doing something wroing cause you shouldn't be losing more than 30% of your gains ever unless if you stop training or stop eating.

 

[chazk]

Well it was 4months after my PCT and i kept all 35lbs. See this is the bullshit im talking about, you guys wont drop it. Just because you cant keep most of the gains, doesnt mean other people can't, get that through your head. Not only me, but my bro whos in his 20's kept 80% of his gains for one full year and then he went on another cycle. I dont know if you guys just react different or maybe doing something wroing cause you shouldn't be losing more than 30% of your gains ever unless if you stop training or stop eating.

Yawn ,,,,,, 18 and you have the whole world figured out...kept all 35 lbs of gains from the fist cycle after 4 months so you think thats a lone time and it will last forever and this cycle then you will gain another 35lbs and keep it all ...
well congrats then you will be at your 230lb goal in less then a year with 2 cycles NEVER HAVE TO TAKE STEROIDS EVER AGAIN. becuase you claim you keep all your gains... thats great 19 and never having ot ever touch juice again and maintain 70lbs of muscle gained from roids...for the rest of your life...

i think its great you will never have to ever take a steroid ever agian.. and be up 70lbs forever...becuase when you come off four months you kept it all that means youll come off for 4 years and your gonna have to keep it all becuase you said so.. that it all stays for you and none leaves...

you must be the next breed of bodybuilder... the 2 cycles and time to be a pro....or hell why not do 3 cycles throw on 100lbs of gains that never go away and just go straight to the mr o weighing in at 265lbs... or hell why not do 4 cycles and weigh 300lbs..by age 20.
you claim to keep it all... now dont you??

and your only 18 glad to see our youth has high hopes and dream and actual ..well i'll say it... " has no idea what the fuck they are talking about"
get a clue 4 months off IS NOT JACK SHIT its a drop into the bucket.....I'm done see yea onstage in 4 more months "me i keep it all"....

 

[tfuray]

Hey I'm pretty much a newb myself but there are some exceptions to the otherwise "rules". My boy did his first cycle of primo 400EWx10 weeks, gained about 20 pounds, mad strength and over 4 months later has kept roughly 17 pounds and no shit almost all of his strength with the exception of a rep or two.

 

[no1_brawler]

Yawn ,,,,,, 18 and you have the whole world figured out...kept all 35 lbs of gains from the fist cycle after 4 months so you think thats a lone time and it will last forever and this cycle then you will gain another 35lbs and keep it all ...
well congrats then you will be at your 230lb goal in less then a year with 2 cycles NEVER HAVE TO TAKE STEROIDS EVER AGAIN. becuase you claim you keep all your gains... thats great 19 and never having ot ever touch juice again and maintain 70lbs of muscle gained from roids...for the rest of your life...

i think its great you will never have to ever take a steroid ever agian.. and be up 70lbs forever...becuase when you come off four months you kept it all that means youll come off for 4 years and your gonna have to keep it all becuase you said so.. that it all stays for you and none leaves...

you must be the next breed of bodybuilder... the 2 cycles and time to be a pro....or hell why not do 3 cycles throw on 100lbs of gains that never go away and just go straight to the mr o weighing in at 265lbs... or hell why not do 4 cycles and weigh 300lbs..by age 20.
you claim to keep it all... now dont you??

and your only 18 glad to see our youth has high hopes and dream and actual ..well i'll say it... " has no idea what the fuck they are talking about"
get a clue 4 months off IS NOT JACK SHIT its a drop into the bucket.....I'm done see yea onstage in 4 more months "me i keep it all"....

Go Fuck yourself you jealous loser. Go gain your measly 5lbs per cycle and keep 3lbs after PCT you crap genetics LOSER.

 

[chazk]

Hey I'm pretty much a newb myself but there are some exceptions to the otherwise "rules". My boy did his first cycle of primo 400EWx10 weeks, gained about 20 pounds, mad strength and over 4 months later has kept roughly 17 pounds and no shit almost all of his strength with the exception of a rep or two.

he was on primo were talking about test only cycles... the bloating and water retention that comes then goes away quick..
primo is a soild gains keeping drug...
like nelson and everyone said 4 months is not jack.. come off for a year or even two years.,..
so keeping 17lbs is great ... thats about half of what No1 claims... he claims to have gained 35 and it was all muscle... steroids wont even build 35 lbs of actual muscle tissue in 12 weeks it just does not happen.. lots of the gains from test are water and blood volume..that go away 4-to 6 months after cycle then continue over the next year...
if no1 was off for a year he might keep 17lbs also or maybe 20lbs.. but not the 35lbs.. like he claims he has no idea becuase he only came off for 4 months not a year..

 

[chazk]

Go Fuck yourself you jealous loser. Go gain your measly 5lbs per cycle and keep 3lbs after PCT you crap genetics LOSER.

I already told you i went from 180 to 205 ... 25lb gain took a year off then up to 220lbs second cycle.. another 15lbs ...When your off dude you get soft and lose the size..
no way around it..

come off for 1 year or even 5 years then let us know how much was permanet
gains...
none of this 4 months off bullshit..
you have to clean ou bro.. then youll see..

if you dont have pics then take some now while your only 2 weeks into your second cycle your at 195.... you are going to finish at 230 you claim.. so lets see it... take the pics " and make me jealous" like i really care but lets see um

 

[Mac173]

I see no 1 brawlers point.
You can keep around 30lbs off of a cycle, even if it is test.
Is it all muscle, no of course not, probably not even a quarter of it is muscle.
I don't know why you would want to gain 30lbs in a cycle(besides the excetption of maybe your first) 8-15 is optimum for me of which I will keep around 75%.

 

[chazk]

I see no 1 brawlers point.
You can keep around 30lbs off of a cycle, even if it is test.
Is it all muscle, no of course not, probably not even a quarter of it is muscle.
I don't know why you would want to gain 30lbs in a cycle(besides the excetption of maybe your first) 8-15 is optimum for me of which I will keep around 75%.

exactly first cycle... gains are great,,, no1 claims he will do it agian this second cycle gain 35lbs then keep 35lbs more and be up 70lbs...

its obvious he wont...
but you even mentioned is it all muscle? prob not even a quater? maybe I gave him the benifit of the doubt and said half... be he claims ITS ALL MUSCLE AND PERMANET!

thats the part mac that makes no sense

and to add to it mac your only gaining 8-15 in no1's eyes you have bad genetics becuase your not keeping 90% of 35lbs just like he did his first cycle after only 4 months off..so mac no1 thinks if everyone does not get 35lbs off a cycle EVERY CYCLE they have shit genetics..

i think NO1 is actually full of NO2 and its ooozing out of his mouth

 

[Mac173]

exactly first cycle... gains are great,,, no1 claims he will do it agian this second cycle gain 35lbs then keep 35lbs more and be up 70lbs...

its obvious he wont...
but you even mentioned is it all muscle? prob not even a quater? maybe I gave him the benifit of the doubt and said half... be he claims ITS ALL MUSCLE AND PERMANET!

thats the part mac that makes no sense

and to add to it mac your only gaining 8-15 in no1's eyes you have bad genetics becuase your not keeping 90% of 35lbs just like he did his first cycle after only 4 months off..so mac no1 thinks if everyone does not get 35lbs off a cycle EVERY CYCLE they have shit genetics..

i think NO1 is actually full of NO2 and its ooozing out of his mouth

I agree.
Nobody gains 35lbs of muscle in a cycle and nobody will continue to gain 35lbs continuioulsy for cycle after cycle. If they did probably less and less of that total amount would be muscle, so what would be the point. It's all extra that must be shed later anyways.
I was just playing devils advocate and saying that it is possible but not exactly constructive in the grand scheme of things.

 

[tfuray]

he was on primo were talking about test only cycles... the bloating and water retention that comes then goes away quick..
primo is a soild gains keeping drug...
like nelson and everyone said 4 months is not jack.. come off for a year or even two years.,..
so keeping 17lbs is great ... thats about half of what No1 claims... he claims to have gained 35 and it was all muscle... steroids wont even build 35 lbs of actual muscle tissue in 12 weeks it just does not happen.. lots of the gains from test are water and blood volume..that go away 4-to 6 months after cycle then continue over the next year...
if no1 was off for a year he might keep 17lbs also or maybe 20lbs.. but not the 35lbs.. like he claims he has no idea becuase he only came off for 4 months not a year..

ADREED...I sure would like to see those pics from no1 or else I'm in on the waist deep bullshit wagon!