The most complete upper body single exercise

[the_alcatraz]

Deadlifts work your lower back, middle back, lats, traps, biceps, shoulders, abs, calves, hamstrings, quads, forearms, neck, chest...

How the heck does your exercise claim to do more than that?

 

[WiggyWild]

When you guys say OHP are you talking about a military press or a push press?

I do a madcow 5x5 and I usually do military first 3 warmup sets to emphasize shoulder development and final 2 with a push press so I can put some more weight up.

Would you recommend doing push press the entire way? I bet I could add 30-40 lbs if this is so.

 

[bblazer]

My claim from the beginning is the Standing Overhead Press.

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[bblazer]

Deadlifts work your lower back, middle back, lats, traps, biceps, shoulders, abs, calves, hamstrings, quads, forearms, neck, chest...

How the heck does your exercise claim to do more than that?

The title of the thread is the the most complete upper body single exercise.

While I completely agree that the DL is a fantastic all over body exercise, its ability to affect the same percentage of musculature above the waist with the same intensity does not compare with the SOHP.

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[iggy]

+1 on the deadlift

for upper body i like incline BB presses

 

[gjohnson5]

If you read the bold comment again, you'll see the two disclaimers in there. ie. "usually" (not always) and "more about" (not exclusively).

In this thread we're mainly talking about presses, and in this case I was mainly refering to the European press as used in competition back in the 1970's and explained in detail by Bill Starr. Sorry, I should have made that clearer.

Anyway, you mentioned power cleans to demonstate that I was wrong, so let's discuss them briefly. You'll add some strength to the back, legs and shoulders, but only explosive strength specific to explosive power movements. These could help in certain athletic movements, sure, but you're not going to see anyone squating, deadlifting or pressing more from doing power cleans.

Being a bodybuilding forum with a powerlifting following, I'm not speaking about advantages specific to other sports. Other sports will have their own forums with advice on how to improve strength specific to those sports. Of course power cleans will be useful in other sports. I'm not disputing that.

I have absolutely no idea where the first point in bold comes into this discussion. If you want to squat more , then should do squats. If you want to deadlift more , then you should do deads Your statement is like saying you should use a hammer to tighten bolts. I't not the tool for the job....

Secondly, What do you mean a bodybuilding forum? This isnt bodybuilding.com and this is the weight lifting forum...

 

[trauck1506]

If you read the bold comment again, you'll see the two disclaimers in there. ie. "usually" (not always) and "more about" (not exclusively).

In this thread we're mainly talking about presses, and in this case I was mainly refering to the European press as used in competition back in the 1970's and explained in detail by Bill Starr. Sorry, I should have made that clearer.

Anyway, you mentioned power cleans to demonstate that I was wrong, so let's discuss them briefly. You'll add some strength to the back, legs and shoulders, but only explosive strength specific to explosive power movements. These could help in certain athletic movements, sure, but you're not going to see anyone squating, deadlifting or pressing more from doing power cleans.

Being a bodybuilding forum with a powerlifting following, I'm not speaking about advantages specific to other sports. Other sports will have their own forums with advice on how to improve strength specific to those sports. Of course power cleans will be useful in other sports. I'm not disputing that.

As soon as you said, "If you have no use in competition for power movements (power cleans, snatches, european style military presses etc), why do them?", you changed at least what I was talking about. You asked a question so I'm simply answering that question.

Explosive strength would mean increased fast twitch muscle fibers which would transfer over to other movements. I guarantee you that every Olympic Lifter could out deadlift or squat almost anyone on the forums if not everyone. They could also out jump anyone so I don't see how you could say it doesn't help the other 3 lifts. Not only does it do that, but it improves stamina. Also like gjohnson5 said this isn't specifically a body building forum. It is a body building - weight lifting forum which doesn't mean just body building.

 

[SaiBoT]

As soon as you said, "If you have no use in competition for power movements (power cleans, snatches, european style military presses etc), why do them?", you changed at least what I was talking about. You asked a question so I'm simply answering that question.

Explosive strength would mean increased fast twitch muscle fibers which would transfer over to other movements. I guarantee you that every Olympic Lifter could out deadlift or squat almost anyone on the forums if not everyone. They could also out jump anyone so I don't see how you could say it doesn't help the other 3 lifts. Not only does it do that, but it improves stamina. Also like gjohnson5 said this isn't specifically a body building forum. It is a body building - weight lifting forum which doesn't mean just body building.

This why I didn't discuss FunFun opinion because I know he is a bodybuilder and cleans it's not among the favourites with bodybuilders.

Me I'm just an enthusiast, lifting weights to be as strong, healthy and big as possible at the same time, but I have no interest on competions.

 

[lockdownd7]

I have absolutely no idea where the first point in bold comes into this discussion. If you want to squat more , then should do squats. If you want to deadlift more , then you should do deads Your statement is like saying you should use a hammer to tighten bolts. I't not the tool for the job....

Secondly, What do you mean a bodybuilding forum? This isnt bodybuilding.com and this is the weight lifting forum...

Earlier you said that power cleans increase strength in the legs. The logical extension of that claim is that cleans would therefore improve your squat/deadlift. Of course, we know that that is not true.

@trauck1506 - "Explosive strength" is nothing more than the ability to express absolute strength quickly. There's not always correlation between the two. Increasing explosive strength doesn't increase absolute strength because it is a function of absolute strength. Increasing absolute strength can increase explosive strength but not always.

 

[bblazer]

All I know is that I have yet had my challenge met and I am not sitting on the swiss ball doing curls in the squat rack chalked up with gloves and grip straps.

I originally started this thread on 1/30. Here we are 7 days later, and nuttin'.

I guess the SOHP is the best overall.

I rock!

Now all participants in this thread (except me of course) must wear their lift belts and knee wraps while riding the recumbent stationary bike at the gym and while doing cable pulldowns for one week.

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