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The typo was that I said "demonstrate" instead of "increase". You'll have to make that change yourself when you print the hard copy to study later...I can't be bothered to go back and change it.
Now we get to the crux of the issue. I was not addressing the usefulness of cleans, I was addressing your bastardization of terminology and lack of comprehension of the formulas you keep espousing.
What are you talking about? Your examples hold no relevance to the point I was making and show a lack of reading comprehension. Find your max on whatever lift. Now put 110% that 1RM on the bar. Accelerate that load. Have fun, go to town.
Again, what the hell are you talking about? If we're referring to the strength of a muscle, IT IS all about the muscle!
Congrats on regurgitating the basic power formula. Now if only we could work on that comprehension
And again, as for the usefulness of cleans, I'm not even addressing that. They have their purpose. That purpose is not to increase strength.
I've read that article. It's a nice article indeed. But, again, it doesn't hold relevance to the discussion at hand. I'm not debating or disagreeing with anything other than the lack of understanding in this thread. Since basic logic does not seem to be sufficient, let me offer an extended explanation:
Let's say a muscle is capable of exerting x amount of tension, irrespective of time. That's the absolute strength of the muscle. The problem is that often times, that "irrespective of time" qualification is pretty important, because in any given movement, there are time restrictions. So if we increase the speed at which that tension can be generated, through cleans or whatever, that tension becomes more applicable to faster activities, i.e. activities that have less time available in which to produce tension. That's why poundages increase through DE....it's not that you're generating more tension, it's that you're generating tension quicker.
Well well last time I checked powerlifters, strongmen, etc they all do cleans and why? Ultimate goal... STRENGTH it's all that matters to their sports. Period! I'm done... read all the books you want, study all the theories you want... know-it-all places are all full on EF. No vacancy.
You started with your sarcasm with other members so I felt compelled to analize your posts, glad I did so, while underpressure we can all see who is respectiful and who isn't.
Enjoy!
lockdownd7
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Wise move. When all other options are exhausted and your points have been decisively refuted, shift the focus and use a dramatic oversimplification in a last-ditch effort to try to avoid looking stupid. Also be sure to try to blow off the importance of intelligence and education.
I had hoped you were better than that, my friend. I thought you would be capable of admitting that you were wrong. Apparently I misjudged the quality of your character.
PS - Even if you won't admit it on here, I hope for your own sake, you don't choose to remain ignorant and insist that you're right.
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Big_BK
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How about both of you end the nonsense now or you can take a vacation for a few days....
lol. It is a great question, and a solid debate is totally cool. There are tons of things to learn and consider from other people's perspectives.
It's just that the sarcastic and rude comments don't have a place.
trauck1506
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I also give up because no matter what this will go on forever, and I can kinda see what your saying. However I still don't think your right and where did you get your information from? Give me some articles or books because I won't ever just trust 1 persons word not matter what. I almost want to just do power cleans for a month for lower body to prove it. If that would get my point across because obviously you need hard facts and I'm the same way.
lockdownd7
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If that were the case, I can assure you, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. In the nicest, least confrontational way I can say it - you simply don't understand what I'm saying. It's pointless for me to keep saying the same things when you have shown that you haven't understood them the first time.
Let me dumb it down for you:
What you think I'm saying - cleans don't increase the amount of weight you can lift in other moves
What I'm actually saying - they can increase the amount of weight you lift, but it's not because of an increase in strength
Reread this portion of one of my earlier posts and see if it makes more sense in that context:
YouTube - Shi Zhiyong - Clean and Jerk
Can he lift that weight with strength alone...? no... he most accelerate it. Therefore you can accelerate a heavier load than the actual one you have strength to lift. It's what olympic lifts are all about.
Can he lift that weight with strength alone...? no... he most accelerate it. Therefore you can accelerate a heavier load than the actual one you have strength to lift. It's what olympic lifts are all about.
needtogetaas
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lockdownd7.. You condescending attitude is pissing me off!!!!!!!!!!
I love a debate and I love a guy who can have a good debate and add something to this board. However there is nothing I hate more then a man who thinks because he has a little knowledge he can speak to others
in a condescending manner.
It hurts me to see people who have knowledge but lack the wisdom to share it in a way that others can learn from (not want to choke the shit out of). Your knowledge is wasted because you are a fool with it.
I could care less if you were the god of the body building weight lifting world. Speak to each and every member of the aas and training forums with some respect. Speak to them as a equal human and not some one you are trying to master or lord over. Speak to everyone like a friend. This goes for everyone. Debate is for learning Not for burning .
If you can not do this then your time here will be very short.
I love a debate and I love a guy who can have a good debate and add something to this board. However there is nothing I hate more then a man who thinks because he has a little knowledge he can speak to others
in a condescending manner.
It hurts me to see people who have knowledge but lack the wisdom to share it in a way that others can learn from (not want to choke the shit out of). Your knowledge is wasted because you are a fool with it.
I could care less if you were the god of the body building weight lifting world. Speak to each and every member of the aas and training forums with some respect. Speak to them as a equal human and not some one you are trying to master or lord over. Speak to everyone like a friend. This goes for everyone. Debate is for learning Not for burning .
If you can not do this then your time here will be very short.
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