The Importance Of Steroids

[Nelson Montana]

Okay, it's apparent this thread is now a big wankfest. All it takes is a handful of people to do it everytime. They wait, because they have nothing to contribute -- and when the complaining begins, they jump in. Nobody is really making any sense -- it's all about bitching and trying to find fault and posturing on things they don't even know about. I'm out.

I've said I don;t like locking threads but now I know why it's done.

Lock this baby up. It's done.

 

[AAP]

Speaking from personal appearance, I know several IFBB pros (living in South Florida contributes to that.)

We often kick around various topics at times, somtimes related to AAS sometimes not.. I have a very good idea at what nearly all of them run.

Two pros in particular (I have posted this before in the past) I know EXACTLY what they use. The reason I know is because they order the same shit as me from the same person. (and a couple of more "same" aspects to this that remain unsaid for security).

One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.

The other pro is half my size at the most 205-215lbs. He turned pro from a middle weight win at the Nationals. He trains hard as hell. Dude is all heart in the gym. Uses over 4 grams a week. Various things. Takes a three CC shot per day.

So in short, it makes no difference what any so called "expert" or "guru" or author or sideshow internet puppet master says about roids. You are going to learn more from your own use than anything ever written. It is all unique. It's not a magic potion that works the same in everyone. Another pro that actually did not start winning shows did so only after he dropped all androgenic compounds from his prep. No more test, anadrol, dbol, etc.. He uses nothing but EQ, winstrol, primo and anavar (140mg daily BTG) and he actually grows. Other people can not grow at all unless they use androgens in the mix.

You basically have to try various things and see what works for you, but when you do this, you must keep your training and diet the same in order to effectively gauge the AAS benefits so you will know the variations in differences is not related to dietary or training changes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Speaking from personal appearance, I know several IFBB pros (living in South Florida contributes to that.)

We often kick around various topics at times, somtimes related to AAS sometimes not.. I have a very good idea at what nearly all of them run.

Two pros in particular (I have posted this before in the past) I know EXACTLY what they use. The reason I know is because they order the same shit as me from the same person. (and a couple of more "same" aspects to this that remain unsaid for security).

One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.

The other pro is half my size at the most 205-215lbs. He turned pro from a middle weight win at the Nationals. He trains hard as hell. Dude is all heart in the gym. Uses over 4 grams a week. Various things. Takes a three CC shot per day.

So in short, it makes no difference what any so called "expert" or "guru" or author or sideshow internet puppet master says about roids. You are going to learn more from your own use than anything ever written. It is all unique. It's not a magic potion that works the same in everyone. Another pro that actually did not start winning shows did so only after he dropped all androgenic compounds from his prep. No more test, anadrol, dbol, etc.. He uses nothing but EQ, winstrol, primo and anavar (140mg daily BTG) and he actually grows. Other people can not grow at all unless they use androgens in the mix.

You basically have to try various things and see what works for you, but when you do this, you must keep your training and diet the same in order to effectively gauge the AAS benefits so you will know the variations in differences is not related to dietary or training changes.

Okay, I just had to jump,back and say, THAT is a good post. And 100% accurate.

These guys aren't pharmacological geniuses. They don't know any secret stack or dosage. They have extrodinary natural ability and fool around with gear until they find what works for them.

 

[AAP]

No, they are not geniuses. Every single pro that I have ever met only wants to know two things about roids.

1 - is it real?
2 - what's it gonna do to my dick?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Speaking from personal appearance, I know several IFBB pros (living in South Florida contributes to that.)

We often kick around various topics at times, somtimes related to AAS sometimes not.. I have a very good idea at what nearly all of them run.

Two pros in particular (I have posted this before in the past) I know EXACTLY what they use. The reason I know is because they order the same shit as me from the same person. (and a couple of more "same" aspects to this that remain unsaid for security).

One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.

The other pro is half my size at the most 205-215lbs. He turned pro from a middle weight win at the Nationals. He trains hard as hell. Dude is all heart in the gym. Uses over 4 grams a week. Various things. Takes a three CC shot per day.

So in short, it makes no difference what any so called "expert" or "guru" or author or sideshow internet puppet master says about roids. You are going to learn more from your own use than anything ever written. It is all unique. It's not a magic potion that works the same in everyone. Another pro that actually did not start winning shows did so only after he dropped all androgenic compounds from his prep. No more test, anadrol, dbol, etc.. He uses nothing but EQ, winstrol, primo and anavar (140mg daily BTG) and he actually grows. Other people can not grow at all unless they use androgens in the mix.

You basically have to try various things and see what works for you, but when you do this, you must keep your training and diet the same in order to effectively gauge the AAS benefits so you will know the variations in differences is not related to dietary or training changes.

I said something similar to this once, but I added the idea that there's almost nothing that the professionals do that's appropriate to do for 99.9999% of the members here. If you're not a professional, why train/eat/drug like one? You should do it to maximize what you can achieve, not to mimic someone else because they're the swolest MF'ing Bro you ever met...

 

[AAP]

I said something similar to this once, but I added the idea that there's almost nothing that the professionals do that's appropriate to do for 99.9999% of the members here. If you're not a professional, why train/eat/drug like one? You should do it to maximize what you can achieve, not to mimic someone else because they're the swolest MF'ing Bro you ever met...

The only thing that I have seen professionals do that regular people don't is take time to find out what training works for them.

People here don't do that. They follow established training plans like the 5x5 or doggcrap or whatever and after 4 weeks of no results, they lapse back into more comfortable, yet nonproducing training habits and routines.

A diet is a diet. All it requires is food and willpower. Nothing special.

I am amazed as many times as I have designed training routines for people the first thing they ask is "why?" Yet in a month they come back all karma giving and cuddly hugs talking about how it worked. Which leads to my question "why?" As in "Why haven't you tried this before I suggested it?"

That is the only remarkable thing that I see pros doing different. They have long figured out what their INDIVIDUAL bodyparts respond to, which is nearly 100x the case not the same training their body responds as a whole. I usually do 8-9 sets for chest, but then anywhere from 20-30 sets for triceps. I don't do that many because I am standing around watching the chic on the treadmill or having a chat session with my buddies. Do it because it works.
Now if I did that many sets for other bodyparts, I would see no results.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Most people are terrible trainers....I agree with that. I love the guys who fight MMA and train on bodypart splits like a bodybuilder.

 

[silver_shadow]

Most people are terrible trainers....I agree with that. I love the guys who fight MMA and train on bodypart splits like a bodybuilder.

hell i remember this post on the training board a while ago - a youtube vid of some NBA dude (forget who)... with his trainer... has him doing preacher curls

about the only thing worthwhile that the trainer had him do was vertical jump using bands.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I tell people to read 5 books on training before they buy one on steroids. Nobody listens.

 

[ProtienFiend]

One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.

Lol, thats funny. There is a pro at my gym who is short - but just as wide and ripped. I dont know how he juices but he'll waddle in, do some tri extensions, a little flat bench.... but mostly talk to and spot other people. As sad as it is, its actually working for him.