the greatest armies in the world

[Gambino]

Actually, he did intend to wipe them out altogether. He came out with a memoir after Mein Kampf [sp?] in which he clearly stated that he wanted to dominate Europe and then take on America. He stated that he believed that Americans were even genetically superior to the Germans because they were the brightest, most adventurous, and physically superior of all who came over here. He said that he wanted to do it right away before America became even more strong.

He held off from publishing the book for obvious reasons. He didn't want everyone in the world to know that his plan was so far reaching. He wanted the element of surprise.

Now, the book has been uncovered and discussed quite a bit as of late. Sorry that I can't recall the title. I saw it on the history channel.

i think in his racial hiearchy brits and french would get a pass
same with americans
they still would be dominated, but i think he saw their value...like with the vichy gov't. he didn't purify france of french, he attempted to turn them into german subjects

 

[domoljub]

it's popular to call Hitler a dumbass for invading the USSR

but I disagree due to 3 major points

point one
in world war one the germans embarrassed the russians and pushed them around and stomped their ass

point two
when the soviets invaded Finland in 1940 they were again embarrassed with outnumbered and out-equiped Finns again stomping the superior soviets

point three
the germans and their blitzkrieg had excelled thus far in the war
Poland put up a good fight,but succumbed in a month

france with the help of the BEF fell in 6 weeks
but the battle of france was over in a month

the germans wiped out yugoslavia in 2 weeks
greece fell relatively easily too

so really Hitler had plenty of reasons to believe he could topple communist USSR in a two season campaign

not to mention his whole reason for starting the war was to expand Germany east and wipe out the bolsheviks/communists

it was a pan-european crusade against communism
with 1-2 million foreign volunteers joining the cause

jugoslavia, the old one did not put up a fight in most parts. croatia and slovenia and hercegovina welcomed the german army as a liberating army.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

why is it sad though?
if hitler wasn't so anti-semtic i think his other accomplishiments would looked at in a different light...

That's basically what I mean.

It wasn't just anti-semetism. He was bent on world domination. He admitted that he would never quit until he ruled the world. So, he had Germany on a course for destruction from day one.

Hitler's minister of propaganda, Joseph Goebels, mentioned the same thing in his diaries, about "ruling the world". Although like Gambino said, physically taking over every developed nation even in that time would be next to impossible. The Germans were ambitious, but not stupid. A more rational explanation would be spreading nationalism, first and foremost in the place of communist controlled states.
A lot of Nazi Germany has been over-villainized. Historians (including some Jewish) have been debunking horror stories more and more as time goes on, concentration camp numbers being downplayed, etc. It was a chaotic time.

Hitler was convinced World War II would not have occurred had it not been for Jewish influence. Hitler regarded Germany's struggle with Great Britain and the United States as a disaster for western civilization and a triumph for Communism. He knew that President Roosevelt had worked with every available means to promote war in Europe prior to the English declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939. He did not believe that Chamberlain would have accepted war had it not been for the pressure from President Roosevelt. Further, Hitler did not believe that President Roosevelt would have worked for war had be not been encouraged and supported in his efforts by the powerful American-Jewish community.

Joachin von Ribbentrop, Between London and Moscow, Leoni, 1953, pp. 274ff.)

 

[domoljub]

http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=13


The Croatian 369th Reinforced Regiment

On the day of the German invasion of the Soviet Union, June 22, 1941, the "Poglavnik" (Leader) of the Independant State of Croatia, Ante Pavelic, met with the military and civilian leadership of Croatia to decide how best to support their German ally. All present were strongly in favour of the German attack, seeing the invasion as a battle between the progressive forces of Europe against the Communist forces in the East. All present agreed that Croatia should participate in the invasion alongside Germany. To this end the representative of the German military in Croatia, Edmund Glaise von Horstenau, was contacted.

Von Horstenau suggested that Pavelic prepare a letter to Adolf Hitler, offering the service of Croatian troops on the Eastern Front. Pavelic prepared this letter the following day, on June 23rd, 1941. In his letter, Pavelic explained to Hitler the wishes of the Croatian people to join the battle of "all freedom loving nations against Communism". Pavelic offered ground, sea and air forces, to be committed "as soon as possible" to fight alongside Germany. Hitler responded to Pavelic's letter on July 1st 1941, accepting the Croatian offer and thanking them for their service. Hitler was of the opinion that ground forces could be sent quickly, while air and sea forces would need a longer time to be properly trained and equiped. On July 2nd, 1941, Pavelic ordered that volunteers be called for from all branches of the Armed Forces of Croatia to join the struggle in the East.

The ground contingent of the planned Croatian formations was the first to be formed. The Croatians hoped for a total of 3,900 volunteers in order to form a regimental sized unit, but by the 15th of July 1941, 9,000 men had already stepped forward and volunteered for service! In light of such high numbers the criteria for acceptance was raised considerably.

those my good man were the cream of the croat military. its a shame they were sent so far away when we had our own problems with croat communists raging in our backyard. my moms old nieghbour served there, in stalingrad and survived it all. i met him last summer but the affects of old age have diminished his mind .

 

[domoljub]

I'm about 25% croatian so this section is appealing to me

100 percent here, why are you going to the ukraine when you could be in split my good man?

 

[javaguru]

Actually, he did intend to wipe them out altogether. He came out with a memoir after Mein Kampf [sp?] in which he clearly stated that he wanted to dominate Europe and then take on America. He stated that he believed that Americans were even genetically superior to the Germans because they were the brightest, most adventurous, and physically superior of all who came over here. He said that he wanted to do it right away before America became even more strong.

He held off from publishing the book for obvious reasons. He didn't want everyone in the world to know that his plan was so far reaching. He wanted the element of surprise.

Now, the book has been uncovered and discussed quite a bit as of late. Sorry that I can't recall the title. I saw it on the history channel.

Your honor, basis....

 

[javaguru]

Reading/regurgitating and analyzing are different. I had to make a presentation,in a graduate level only class in arguably the best military history program of the time as an undergrad.This presentation was based on the multiple works I read. I recited "The Prince" in high school for my advanced history class and debunked it back then. His treatment of mercenaries is contradictory of real world results, they often performed better than resident conscripts. On the other hand, Clausewitz does define the western way of war. Go stick your dick up your ass. Don't fuck with me on military history or I'll make you my prison bitch......without lube.[/QUOTE]

You are pretty proud of studying history for reasons unknown to many.

I'm a historian...read historical text in context as opposed to superficially and don't tell me shit unless you're educated.. Just sayin', Armchair retards are a dime a dozen...

 

[fistfullofsteel]

this turned into the history channel. always talking about hitler and nazis. their favorite topic.

 

[Spartacus]

It wasn't just anti-semetism. He was bent on world domination. He admitted that he would never quit until he ruled the world. So, he had Germany on a course for destruction from day one.

Hitler wanted german hegemony over europe and to expand the german empire to the east at the expense of the soviets

he actually desired peace with the British and that's part of the reason he allowed the BEF to escape the continent at dunkirk

he did want to "clean up" the gene code and had numerous undesirables besides the jews
for sure he wasn't a saint
but he wasn't some goofy evil madman that ran around in his bunker hugging himself with glee over how evil he was

that's the shit you're taught in high school

 

[Spartacus]

jugoslavia, the old one did not put up a fight in most parts. croatia and slovenia and hercegovina welcomed the german army as a liberating army.

the germans encountered similar problems as us in Iraq
they blitzed through yugoslavia so fast and capitulated the govt that they didn't "get" enough time to really destroy the army in the field
and these unkilled men would eventually rise up and form a nasty partisan bunch under Tito
so nasty that even the soviets left Tito to himself

same as our experiences in Iraq
we sliced through saddams defenses the took out baghdad in what 3 weeks
most of the Iraqi army ran away

only for many to reappear with their booby trap war
it's not even much of a war per se
in history and measured against other wars/periods

Iraq is not a war,not even a guerilla war
it's a chciken shit booby trap and blow yourself up affair