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I thought you were supposed to separate workouts and HIIT b/c it uses the same glycogen stores? Essentially, you'd be depleted after a workout, and doing HIIT right after a workout would make you go catabolic. Any thoughts anybody?
 
Well for consistency purposes I've used the same mechanism for measuring bf% from beginning to end. Back in march I was around 10% and just recently I hit 6.7 maybe closer to 7%. Either way, I used a digital caliper. Not the hand gripping electric ones. The reading and calculations are digital but the calipers are the same ol' grab-the-flab and squeeze, type. So, you might be correct I, maybe a little higher than its telling me. Then again, as mentioned before I am a drinker. I might just give that a try... no more drinks as of today.

Damn thats gonna be tough! :beer:
 
1999TL said:
I thought you were supposed to separate workouts and HIIT b/c it uses the same glycogen stores? Essentially, you'd be depleted after a workout, and doing HIIT right after a workout would make you go catabolic. Any thoughts anybody?

Perhaps but I've read otherwise. I'm no scientist so correct me if I'm wrong. This is what I've picked up...

The best time to do cardio is after you lift heavy weights. Performing your cardio workout after training with weights, is the most ideal time to burn fat. The reasoning behind this thinking is that during your weight training workout you are using glucose, and stored glycogen, as fuel for energy. Glucose and glycogen are sugars, and sugars are carbs. You want to use carbs as fuel for your training ideally, to sustain you throughout the workout. After you are done training, your glucose and glycogen levels are obviously depleted, thus making this the perfect time to perform your cardio, and to use stored fat as fuel. At this time, if you are on a high protein diet, as most bodybuilders are, or should be, the body will burn fat as fuel, to help get you through the cardio session. Now, you don't want to extend this more than 15-20mins, specially if performing HIIT. If the process is prolonged, the resulting catabolism is very damaging to the body and causes excessive tissue breakdown.
 
PsychoWorkerOuter said:
Perhaps but I've read otherwise. I'm no scientist so correct me if I'm wrong. This is what I've picked up...

The best time to do cardio is after you lift heavy weights. Performing your cardio workout after training with weights, is the most ideal time to burn fat. The reasoning behind this thinking is that during your weight training workout you are using glucose, and stored glycogen, as fuel for energy. Glucose and glycogen are sugars, and sugars are carbs. You want to use carbs as fuel for your training ideally, to sustain you throughout the workout. After you are done training, your glucose and glycogen levels are obviously depleted, thus making this the perfect time to perform your cardio, and to use stored fat as fuel. At this time, if you are on a high protein diet, as most bodybuilders are, or should be, the body will burn fat as fuel, to help get you through the cardio session. Now, you don't want to extend this more than 15-20mins, specially if performing HIIT. If the process is prolonged, the resulting catabolism is very damaging to the body and causes excessive tissue breakdown.

I guess that would be ok, if you were just working out for 45 mins, then doing 15 mins of HIIT so cortisol levels would be in check.
 
6',1"

June '07 205lbs/bodt fat % (unknown)
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Early December '07
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Late December '07
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April '08 body fat 8%-9.5%
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May '08
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June '08 - current. 179lbs/body fat 6.7%-6.9%
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PsychoWorkerOuter said:
6',1"

June '07 205lbs/bodt fat % (unknown)
l_9ae2772cf8ee24e2508406480dc79cea.jpg


Early December '07
l_d999e0699361134df98e80aed71ac6b9.jpg


Late December '07
l_adcdb5333dd90c4e59423ca2a0e2d707.jpg


April '08 body fat 8%-9.5%
l_214a9fbda308362611d325248053c0bc.jpg


May '08
l_770175a3798d67ae15b45c7620a9a780.jpg


June '08 - current. 179lbs/body fat 6.7%-6.9%
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GREAT progress. It must have made BJJ training a tad bit easier I'd guess.

Here's some things to try: 1. temporarily reduce sodium for 4-5 days. 2. temporarily reduce carbs (or eliminate all sources completely) for 4-5 days.
3. take a diuretic supplement for an experiment ONLY.

Reducing carbs might be a difficult thing for you to do b/c you eat so many meals a day, which will require you to be very OCD with meal selection b/c of how much your calories are partitioned throughout the day. I also wouldn't recommend it for a long term solution since you are training in MA, and low/no carb would obviously impede on your performance and recovery from MA, weight, and HIIT training. The whole point of my recommendations is to see how much of that 'spoungy' effect that you feel is due to water retention, the amount of which varies from individual to individual. I'm guessing you will be happy with the results seeing as you are very lean.

Where to go from here:

If you do notice a difference after reducing water: and gets you to where you want to be, then save the above practices for when you want to 'peak', and then for everyday living/training you can increase your carbs and adjust your diet to be more healthy and feasible for a more comfortable lifestyle.

If you don't see a difference from the carb/sodium reduction: quite simply, either you may be higher in bf than you think, or that is just how disproportionate your body distributes its fat. Unfortunately, the navel area seems to be the #1 problem area of this kind in men and women from what I see just looking around.
 
PsychoWorkerOuter said:
6',1"

June '07 205lbs/bodt fat % (unknown)
l_9ae2772cf8ee24e2508406480dc79cea.jpg


Early December '07
l_d999e0699361134df98e80aed71ac6b9.jpg


Late December '07
l_adcdb5333dd90c4e59423ca2a0e2d707.jpg


April '08 body fat 8%-9.5%
l_214a9fbda308362611d325248053c0bc.jpg


May '08
l_770175a3798d67ae15b45c7620a9a780.jpg


June '08 - current. 179lbs/body fat 6.7%-6.9%
l_3f6641b38ceb8c8f30d4860ecbae2eb5.jpg

ok so this is a body BUILDING forum, so ill ask you why are you trying to lose even more weight, 6'1" 180 is pretty lanky bro. IMO you should be trying to add mass, up to 220-230 range then if you want try shedding some fat. Muscle incinerates fat, and you dont have much of it. And you are no were near 6-7% in that last picture.

Is your goal to just be lean as possible or are you trying to build a muscular physique?
 
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