The Feds are all over the boards!

[George Spellwin]

[color=000080]Members,

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[Him1]

Thats why everything I have ever posted on this site was 'For Entertainment Purposes Only.'

 

[George Spellwin]

Thats why everything I have ever posted on this site was 'For Entertainment Purposes Only.'

And what are you going to do when the FEDS subpoena your yahoo.com email?

 

[Him1]

If I needed a secure e-mail for anything, trust me, I'd have one. Like I said, I come to Elite as an entertainment outlet. Everything else, I can get at home.

 

[freakazoid]

george,i cant get any of thoese links to work,is it my computer?or a problem with the server? anyone?

 

[bumpo]

can I get some karmaa nd can you hook a chick up with thsoe shirts.

www.reala-a.com

 

[bbkingpin]

What about things we post? Is there any way a person can be identified by the Feds? Can they match a handle to a real person?

 

[drveejay11]

hell yeah!

 

[mvmaxx]

hell yeah!

kiss ass

 

[muscleup]

good deal...

 

[satchboogie]

fuck the feds!

 

[Counterstrike]

not all sources use the same server so sometimes you can't send it securely.

 

[pitbullstl]

Just so you all know.....there is nothing on the internet that can't be tracked, cracked or intercepted..encypted or not...fact is unless you are moving an assload of shit.....and I mean in assload......ya ain't got shit to worry about PERIOD. The feds have other shit to worry about (TRUST ME I KNOW) Peace.

 

[11/2in22g5ccfilled]

??

what would an ass load of shit = 1 ton 2 tons 1/2 ton tell me

 

[Juice Authority]

This should be a sticky.

 

[Dr.Equinstein]

Woohoo..shirt for the DOC!..c'mon guys get an elite account

 

[drgoodbody]

Couldn't agree more on the value of encrypted email!

GET ONE if you care about your privacy.

DrG

 

[freakazoid]

Re: ??

what would an ass load of shit = 1 ton 2 tons 1/2 ton tell me

come on man,you mean you dont know?an ass load is 3 times a shit load minus ass to the third power squared.

 

[SofaGeorge]

fuck the feds!

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

 

[OAKBOX]

You should respect the fed's, becuase they are stopping religous zelots from detonating WMD's inside your country...

 

[Lift Chief]

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

I don't understand why they would possibly use federal agents to post on a message board all day... it seems like a lot of time and effort for relatively little payoff- fairly small busts of non-addictive drugs.

I thought the feds realized that no one was going to say rob a convenience store to get money for steroids like people would for other drugs, so they weren't necessarily looking to catch us. Although obviously if it was in their face they would.

Would federal agents really waste their time getting high post counts on message boards like this?

 

[Juice Authority]

I don't understand why they would possibly use federal agents to post on a message board all day... it seems like a lot of time and effort for relatively little payoff- fairly small busts of non-addictive drugs.

I thought the feds realized that no one was going to say rob a convenience store to get money for steroids like people would for other drugs, so they weren't necessarily looking to catch us. Although obviously if it was in their face they would.

Would federal agents really waste their time getting high post counts on message boards like this?

I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't seem like time well spent and I'm sure they got bigger fish to fry than Internet juiceheads. Plus, what is max time a steriod dealer could possibly be looking at? In most cases they get probation.

In any case, sofageorge makes some good points. It's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[jaggles]

The feds can subpoena hushmail as easily as they can subpoena a yahoo.com email. This post was all about politics.

Just like all the deals and promotions that oddly all seem to be 'ending by midnight' on the very night that I see them... everytime I see them.

But I guess spam from the owner is better than pop-ups every couple of times that you reload a page. Oh, wait.....

Sorry, I love this board. Just had to rant because I hate over-advertising junking up my favorite sites.

 

[firstenrgy]

And what are you going to do when the FEDS subpoena your yahoo.com email?

Amen

 

[Dante666]

I would think that the Feds have more efficient ways of doing things than monitoring discussion boards and trying to blend in IMO. Just be safe brothers.

 

[satchboogie]

dont fuckin tell me to respect those bastards. you obvioulsy havent had a face to face encounter with them so please close your mouth before you speak.

 

[Ulter]

And what are you going to do when the FEDS subpoena your yahoo.com email?

I thought you had to be doing something illegal for them to subpoena your email account.

 

[Dougly]

If the Feds want to take a look at your 'secured' email, they will.

 

[Hengst]

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

so then, tell us their screen names.

 

[powerforward]

how do you know they are respectful, intelligent contributors?

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

 

[bravo7555]

hook me up with a shirt George!!

 

[HGH man--Chargeback]

Anything the Feds want they can get ,encryted mail or not . That is not going to stop them. It might be impossible for most people to figure out but not the Feds . If so they have sources that can get in. If there going to bust anyone ,they will !

 

[mvmaxx]

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

...and they post on the chat board a lot.

 

[sk*]

dont fuckin tell me to respect those bastards. you obvioulsy havent had a face to face encounter with them so please close your mouth before you speak.

You don't respect them then you will be buttfucked. And yes I have had a face to face "encounter." I believe, by respect, sofa ment not to underestimate. Besides, they really are just doing their job ... the government is to blame not the feds (at least directly). IMO anyway ...

-sk

 

[HULKSTER]

[color=000080]Members,

For protecting your privacy on the net, the very best thing you can do is get in the habit of using secure encrypted e-mail -- like the free, secure, web based e-mail offered from EliteFitness.com and hushmail. The Feds are all over the boards now and you need to take responsibility for your actions and make your e-mail secure once and for all. Only the naive are not using secure e-mail.

Using secure e-mail is so important that we are giving away a free EliteFitness.com T-Shirt every day this week to members who have an EliteFitness.com e-mail address in their boards' profile. This contest was scheduled to run last week, but was moved to this week due to the server upgrades!



Powered by hushmail.com, we offer our subscribers free 2,048 bit end-to-end encryption -- the strongest available. And the mail servers are located overseas making them impervious to US subpoena. The e-mail system is very similar to hotmail, Yahoo mail, or hushmail except you get a cool e-mail address like [email protected]. So if you go by BigRickRock on the elitefitness.com discussion boards, now your e-mail address can be [email protected] or anything else that you choose!

Please click here to get a free elitefitness.com e-mail address.

To put the address in your boards' profile, click the blue "Profile" button at the top of every page, then click the "Edit Profile" link to change your e-mail address to your new one from EliteFitness.com.

Or, please click here to get a cool T-Shirt like the one here.

Our first winner is: WizKid25

More winners announced every day this week.[/color]

George S., what does secucre email have to do with it? Are you saying that the FEDS are making up registered accounts, and are contacting sources and/or other registered EF members by unsecure email? WTF?

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

Were you recently made a Mod or something??

People say that shit all the time.....it's usually a joke. If HULKSTER is serious it's wishfulk thining at best.

I assume this offer is for plat members only.

I was thinking about it and my elite mail addy is different from my handle.

Say a fed tracks down my identity on here....they still won't know my elite addy.

When I email mods or whatever I just say, hey, you know me...yadda yadda yadda.

I don't use it for sources anyway since I don't ever juice or take contraband substances into my body. However I like to pose hypothetical questions a lot and sometimes people answer more quickly or with more info if they think you are actually performing something on your own body.

 

[TheDarkSideNinja]

Well...

Whether people like it or not feds have def. looked and prolly are looking into this site. I.M.O Now like some have said earlier you have to respect them because they are doing their jobs but at the same time you must be safe. The ones on this site which use A.S. to get the body they want are victims here but i feel anybody that sells any illegal products deserve the consequences that comes along with the territory. I.M.O Now the only way the feds wouldnt be able to read your mail is to DESTROY....and i mean COMPLETELY DESTROY your COMP TOWER!!!! I know one thing though i wouldn't wanna be on a FEDS bad side....

 

[manny78]

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

Thanks Sofa and truly appreciate your comments on me

 

[manny78]

I thought you had to be doing something illegal for them to subpoena your email account.

I understand that in the US, buying a shitload of dbols or sust might actually be "something wrong".

 

[sk*]

I thought you had to be doing something illegal for them to subpoena your email account.

Not according to the US Patriot Act.

-sk

 

[the_myth200]

ahh those feds

well im glad to see that they are here watching!!!! i mean why not crack down on a bunch of guys workingout and bettering themselves??? everyone knows that AS are responsible for most of the crime in the US and all over the world....so my hat is off to the US gov. for cracking down on the important issues in todays world, if it wasnt for us they would be forced to go raid crack houses, and heroine dealers, but now that we have methadone clinics and free needle replacement clinics i can see why they would attack a NON NARCOTIC CLASS 3 drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cheeroi

 

[HULKSTER]

People say that shit all the time.....it's usually a joke. If HULKSTER is serious it's wishfulk thining at best.

I assume this offer is for plat members only.

I was thinking about it and my elite mail addy is different from my handle.

Say a fed tracks down my identity on here....they still won't know my elite addy.

When I email mods or whatever I just say, hey, you know me...yadda yadda yadda.

I don't use it for sources anyway since I don't ever juice or take contraband substances into my body. However I like to pose hypothetical questions a lot and sometimes people answer more quickly or with more info if they think you are actually performing something on your own body.

Wishful thinking? I was made a Mod....at www.musclemorpheus.com And furthermore, I never once asked to be a Mod! Ask nice6pac or BigJay over there---who are that site's administrators---about it. They contacted me by a PM and asked me. That was it.

 

[George Spellwin]

The feds can subpoena hushmail as easily as they can subpoena a yahoo.com email. This post was all about politics.

Nope, Hush is not an American company and the servers are not in the USA.

 

[George Spellwin]

Just so you all know.....there is nothing on the internet that can't be tracked, cracked or intercepted..encypted or not...fact is unless you are moving an assload of shit.....and I mean in assload......ya ain't got shit to worry about PERIOD. The feds have other shit to worry about (TRUST ME I KNOW) Peace.

Not quite true, the FDA wanted DNP Guru's email and Eric Perrins too. But when they learned it was encrypted, on servers run by a non US company, and outside of the USA, they did not go after it.

 

[sk*]

Not quite true, the FDA wanted DNP Guru's email and Eric Perrins too. But when they learned it was encrypted, on servers run by a non US company, and outside of the USA, they did not go after it.

Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth it and would cost them more than it was worth it to spend. The feds (or even your isp) can read the outgoing packets from your computer, and even if the hushmail like emails are encrypted they can just "crack" it as java is decompilable (the encryption is right there infront of anyone who needs it). Not trying to be a dick, but there really is no such thing as "untrackable" if they really invest the time and effort in getting what they need.

There is such a thing as safer than regular emails though, which brings me to this ... you misunderstood my post before deleting it. I was actually going to suggest ways to make transactions on ef and emails much safer, it was not an advertisement to anything. You can email me if you like to hear my ideas.

-sk

 

[pitbullstl]

Sorry George good buddy, there are a few things that I am quite sure of.....1. if the "feds" want something they will get it..PERIOD..out of the country servers being the smallest of all obstacles. 2. The "feds" are on the boards. 3. The "feds" on the boards and in the chat rooms....are in fact not concerned with the low hanging fruit that choose to run their business out of internet discussion boards....this aplies to DEA Computer Crime Agents as well. 4. What the "feds" and or DEA do concern themselves with is the discussion of other illegals ie: GHB, MDMA, etc..... to build a case and prosecute on a schedule III drug is task not to often tackled by Federal Agents.

 

[Juice Authority]

Sorry George good buddy, there are a few things that I am quite sure of.....1. if the "feds" want something they will get it..PERIOD..out of the country servers being the smallest of all obstacles. 2. The "feds" are on the boards. 3. The "feds" on the boards and in the chat rooms....are in fact not concerned with the low hanging fruit that choose to run their business out of internet discussion boards....this aplies to DEA Computer Crime Agents as well. 4. What the "feds" and or DEA do concern themselves with is the discussion of other illegals ie: GHB, MDMA, etc..... to build a case and prosecute on a schedule III drug is task not to often tackled by Federal Agents.

How could the feds go after email servers that are located outside the US? Are you saying that they have international jurisdiction since they're federal agents?? I don't know about that.

 

[pitbullstl]

You would be amazed at just how cooperative foreign countries are in regards to U.S. made requests.

 

[sk*]

How could the feds go after email servers that are located outside the US? Are you saying that they have international jurisdiction since they're federal agents?? I don't know about that.

They subpoena the ISP of the user, isp's keep intense logs. They get all the emails. Let's say they are encrypted, now all they have to do is decrypt it. Decrypting is easy as java is fully decompilable. You can find numerous softwares that will decompile it for you.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

You would be amazed at just how cooperative foreign countries are in regards to U.S. made requests.

I don't know enough about international law to dispute that. I just don't see why they would go to such lenght to bust steriod traffickers and users.

 

[chakarov]

"Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth it and would cost them more than it was worth it to spend. The feds (or even your isp) can read the outgoing packets from your computer, and even if the hushmail like emails are encrypted they can just "crack" it as java is decompilable (the encryption is right there infront of anyone who needs it). Not trying to be a dick, but there really is no such thing as "untrackable" if they really invest the time and effort in getting what they need."


You're missing the point sk. It's not whether or not the Feds can track the e-mail(s) (sure they probably can). It's whether or not they can subpoena the info into a Federal Court. It's what can be used AND proven in Fed. Court that matters. Some evidence is admissable and some is inadmissible.

Do you understand the point Geroge Spellwin made? He's now made his point twice. Please learn to read between the lines and use some intuitive thinking going forward.

 

[HULKSTER]

US federal agents do not have jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's law enforcement organizations and practices. The only way they could get information from a foreign-based company would be if that country's government (i.e. UK) worked with the US government in order to get that information. But that type of cooperation is usually reserved for terrorists and international drug cartels. And the extra law enforcement muscle thrown into the Eric Perrin case had more to do with publicity and politics, than it did with protecting the average American citizen's safety and health. Hell, if the US government cared so much about our health, then why are addictive and deadly tobacco and alcohol products legal? Oh, that's right, the same federal government that has the responsibility of protecting Americans' health from corporations is ALSO THE SAME FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT COLLECTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL PRODUCTS! Maybe if we all started paying out a "cut" of our gear purchases to the Federal Government, they might just consider legalizing AAS if they see a great potential for significant tax revenue.

 

[sk*]

You're missing the point sk. It's not whether or not the Feds can track the e-mail(s) (sure they probably can). It's whether or not they can subpoena the info into a Federal Court. It's what can be used AND proven in Fed. Court that matters. Some evidence is admissable and some is inadmissible.

Do you understand the point Geroge Spellwin made? He's now made his point twice. Please learn to read between the lines and use some intuitive thinking going forward.

Go read the US Patriot Act. They don't even need a subpoena, at least in these days of "war against terror."

Now on the second part, I am not sure if they are able to use decrypted emails in a supreme court or not ... not quite sure on the law part.

-sk

 

[George Spellwin]

Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth it and would cost them more than it was worth it to spend.
-sk

Very good point sk* -- this is what I was trying to communicate to our members. A few simple precautions can quickly make something very easy like subpoenaing AOL into something VERY difficult and VERY expensive -- like trying to decrypt secure e-mail located outside of the USA.

We would love to hear your ideas about encryption -- just start a new thread. And thank you for your participation on the site.

 

[pitbullstl]

US federal agents do not have jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's law enforcement organizations and practices. The only way they could get information from a foreign-based company would be if that country's government (i.e. UK) worked with the US government in order to get that information. But that type of cooperation is usually reserved for terrorists and international drug cartels. And the extra law enforcement muscle into the Eric Perrin case had more to do with publicity and politics, than it did with protecting the average American citizen's safety and health. Hell, if the US government cared so much about our health, then why are addictive and deadly tobacco and alcohol products legal? Oh, that's write, the same federal government that has the responsibility of protecting Americans' health from corporations is ALSO THE SAME FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT COLLECTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL PRODUCTS! Maybe if we all started paying out a "cut" of our gear purchases to the Federal Government, they must just consider legalizing AAS if they see a great potential for significant tax revenue.

he he he he he he he......

If it made my gear more accessible....I would gladly pay a tax premium

 

[Juice Authority]

What other countries besides the US consider AAS to be a controlled substance? Isn't it legal in most companies outside the US? I believe it's legal in Canada to possess but not sell or soemthing like that.

 

[George Spellwin]

I don't know enough about international law to dispute that. I just don't see why they would go to such lenght to bust steriod traffickers and users.

They don't! I know first hand.

Imaging a prosecutor trying to convince the secret service or NSA to spend the resources and money involved in trying to get data located outside the US and then divert resources from cracking terrorist communications to cracking a small-time dealer's e-mail.

Assuming they get the encrypted e-mail, which is not evident, and assuming they were able to decrypt it, which is not possible, they could still find out that there was nothing worth having -- and it might not even be admissible.

 

[pitbullstl]

They subpoena the ISP of the user, isp's keep intense logs. They get all the emails. Let's say they are encrypted, now all they have to do is decrypt it. Decrypting is easy as java is fully decompilable. You can find numerous softwares that will decompile it for you.

-sk

And we have a winner........right on the money SK


And JA....I am not saying they will do it over gear related issues...but it has been done

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

All good points made on here.

Much like you can't make your house or car 100% impermeable, the idea is to make it as unatrractive a target as possible.

On here it is impossible to 100% protect yourself. But you want to make yourself as unattractive a target as possible to prosecutors.

As an interesting side note I thought I would relate that the Washington Post had an article yesterday that certain people are complaining that the DEA isn't doing enough to stop drug dealing in the DC Metro Area. The DEA usually goes after mid-level people and leaves the kingpins to the FBI. Well with all the focus on terrorism the FBI hasn't done much on the drug front and the DEA hasn't been picking up the slack.

I'll go try to dig up the article.

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

Here's the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64241-2003Apr20.html

 

[bravo7555]

Hey George wheres my free shirt?

 

[Skepticore]

sk*, just because source code is visible does not necessarily mean that the encryption is flawed. The source code for the most successful encryption app of all time, PGP, used to be published. It was available for anyone to look at. Now that they've sold out to a commercial endeavor, word has it that there is now a back door built in. Of course, the source code is now unavailable for the commericial product. But my point is, modern encryption work off mathematical algorithms that do not rely upon the source code being compiled. In other words, its strength lies in its mathematics, not its "code".


As for feds watching the board: why not assume they are? If it's possible, you'd be a fool to ignore this possibility. And ranting at the agents is a waste of time; they do their jobs just like the rest of us. I don't say, "Let's kill anyone who delivers Budweiser!" if I disagree with legalized alcohol sales; Budweiser delivery guys are just doing their dman jobs! I go to my local politicians and say, "Make this a dry county." (I drink, so this is just an example, but you get my point.)

If you don't like what they're doing, complain to the RIGHT source. Voting booths and lobbyists offices are good places to start...

 

[sk*]

sk*, just because source code is visible does not necessarily mean that the encryption is flawed. The source code for the most successful encryption app of all time, PGP, used to be published. It was available for anyone to look at. Now that they've sold out to a commercial endeavor, word has it that there is now a back door built in. Of course, the source code is now unavailable for the commericial product. But my point is, modern encryption work off mathematical algorithms that do not rely upon the source code being compiled. In other words, its strength lies in its mathematics, not its "code".

I know what you are talking about. I have a very long history with programming, the internet, and somewhat with encryption. What you say applies to passwords and small phrases as they are then encrypted on the computer, and you can decrypt it only if you know the password itself. Linux password encryption is based on this method.

What you say does not hold true for encrypted emails as you don't have to know what is in the email before reading it. That should make sence, but I may have worded it wrong.

I haven't directly looked into the hushmail encryption, but I assume this is what it does:

For writing emails:
1) You write the email
2) You hit send and at this time it uses an encryption algorythm which is in the java code itself to apply to your email.
3) The client send the email just like any other email, except now it is encrypted.

For reading emails:
1) Client recieved encrypted email.
2) Uses an algorythm that is written within the client to do the simple encryption. It is all in there in the applet
3) The client displays whatever it encrypts.

As for feds watching the board: why not assume they are? If it's possible, you'd be a fool to ignore this possibility. And ranting at the agents is a waste of time; they do their jobs just like the rest of us. I don't say, "Let's kill anyone who delivers Budweiser!" if I disagree with legalized alcohol sales; Budweiser delivery guys are just doing their dman jobs! I go to my local politicians and say, "Make this a dry county." (I drink, so this is just an example, but you get my point.)

If you don't like what they're doing, complain to the RIGHT source. Voting booths and lobbyists offices are good places to start...

I agree with what you say in this portion of your post though ...

-sk

 

[powerforward]

how do you guys know who the feds are? everybody keeps saying that they are smart and valuable members of the board, but how do you know?

 

[sk*]

how do you guys know who the feds are? everybody keeps saying that they are smart and valuable members of the board, but how do you know?

Not counting some people who *may* have inside information, logic tells us that there are regular visitors that are feds.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

Not counting some people who *may* have inside information, logic tells us that there are regular visitors that are feds.

-sk

Well hopefully it's been an educational experience for them.

 

[powerforward]

i'm sure there are feds here, but people seem to be sure they know who they are. doesn't really matter nobody here uses illegal substances, heck half the people here don't even work out.

 

[pitbullstl]

i'm sure there are feds here, but people seem to be sure they know who they are. doesn't really matter nobody here uses illegal substances, heck half the people here don't even work out.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.....Amen to that one also

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

i'm sure there are feds here, but people seem to be sure they know who they are. doesn't really matter nobody here uses illegal substances, heck half the people here don't even work out.

Nobody knows who they are except them.

The point is a Fed is not going to come on here and act like Satanic Goatslayer or bikinimom.

They are going to come on here and act like a straight up bro with knowledge and try to gain our trust.

Or maybe they aren't even using the board to try to catch people but they are just doing research to get the lingo down and so they don't look stupid when they're on a buy or whatever.

Here's a question for you: if you were a Fed on here trying to gain trust, and you saw this thread, would you post on it?

 

[The Terminator]

I'm not going toread through this entire thread, but the last time I tried to change my profile email I was locked off the boards for 3 days. And we all know that I can't stay away from the boards for THAT long...I am afraid to change it again as that may happen again....

 

[sk*]

I'm not going toread through this entire thread, but the last time I tried to change my profile email I was locked off the boards for 3 days. And we all know that I can't stay away from the boards for THAT long...I am afraid to change it again as that may happen again....

Once you change your email account with vbulletin, you need to go to the new email and get it verified there.

-sk

 

[Watson]

QUOTE:

ahh those feds
well im glad to see that they are here watching!!!! i mean why not crack down on a bunch of guys workingout and bettering themselves??? everyone knows that AS are responsible for most of the crime in the US and all over the world....so my hat is off to the US gov. for cracking down on the important issues in todays world, if it wasnt for us they would be forced to go raid crack houses, and heroine dealers, but now that we have methadone clinics and free needle replacement clinics i can see why they would attack a NON NARCOTIC CLASS 3 drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cheeroi

QUOTE:

LMAO

Exactly. We got terrorists walking around, but the feds want to sit on chat boards all day instead of doing anything about it. Whatever Feds work on this board must be so proud to be helping thier country control such an ungodly sin as bettering your body.

 

[OAKBOX]

Once you change your email account with vbulletin, you need to go to the new email and get it verified there.

-sk

He's got a nice lat spread, but nobody said he was real quick! lol.


J/J Terminator

 

[HULKSTER]

texaslonghorn=FED OR FED INFORMANT

hahahhahahhahhahahhaha

 

[Hercules]

With this "Elitefitness" e-mail that is powered by "Hushmail", do you have to access the account within 3 weeks otherwise it is deactivated??

Just curious because I know with hushmail if you dont access it within 3 weeks it will be deactivated!!

 

[TheBigCEE]

With respect to SofaGeorge.....

No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

....I agree with SatchBoogie...FUCK THE FEDS!!!!! They Shouldn't be WASTING OUR MONEY even being on these boards! It's not their 'job' to be trying to create crimes where none exist. There is no 'malum in se' going on here! There are no victims and no crimes!

If they were smart, they'd be in the private sector
If they were respectful, they'd honor the US CONSTITUTION
If they had integrity, they wouldn't make their living from the earnings of others. Get real jobs, you statist, sneaky little rats!!! Guys like the fraud TexasLonghorn are the kind of bastards that would turn in Anne Frank to the Nazis!!!! At least when I take a shower, I'm clean.

 

[sk*]

Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

....I agree with SatchBoogie...FUCK THE FEDS!!!!! They Shouldn't be WASTING OUR MONEY even being on these boards! It's not their 'job' to be trying to create crimes where none exist. There is no 'malum in se' going on here! There are no victims and no crimes!

If they were smart, they'd be in the private sector
If they were respectful, they'd honor the US CONSTITUTION
If they had integrity, they wouldn't make their living from the earnings of others. Get real jobs, you statist, sneaky little rats!!! Guys like the fraud TexasLonghorn are the kind of bastards that would turn in Anne Frank to the Nazis!!!! At least when I take a shower, I'm clean.

What part of it's their job don't you get? The feds aren't your direct enemy, the government is. If the government changed the laws then the feds wouldn't be after us, plain and simple.

-sk

 

[HULKSTER]

Re: Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

What part of it's their job don't you get? The feds aren't your direct enemy, the government is. If the government changed the laws then the feds wouldn't be after us, plain and simple.

-sk

Yes, but if the Feds had a fucking conscious, they wouldn't enforce laws just because "the law is the law", or because "it's their job". They are supposedly intelligent, educated human beings with a conscious. They should know that attacking people for using AAS, while tobacco and alcohol products are completely legal, is total HYPOCRISY. And yet they keep being a vehicle of the federal government's hypocrisy, as long as their paychecks keep coming in. The Fed workers are nothing more than sell-outs who have sold their conscious and integrity to the Federal government over MONEY!!! They are not only doing a great injustice to American citizens, but also to their children who will inherit the unjust and hypocritical world that their parents' left them.

 

[sk*]

Re: Re: Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

Yes, but if the Feds had a fucking conscious, they wouldn't enforce laws just because "the law is the law", or because "it's their job". They are supposedly intelligent, educated human beings with a conscious. They should know that attacking people for using AAS, while tobacco and alcohol products are completely legal, is total HYPOCRISY. And yet they keep being a vehicle of the federal government's hypocrisy, as long as their paychecks keep coming in. The Fed workers are nothing more than sell-outs who have sold their conscious and integrity to the Federal government over MONEY!!! They are not only doing a great injustice to American citizens, but also to their children who will inherit the unjust and hypocritical world that their parents' left them.

What do you suggest bro? When they are assigned a job to just resign? That will just hurt their family and their income.

I have actually met a fed that his job was to prosecute a steroid dealer, and his approach was he broke the law so he should pay. I don't agree with him one bit, infact I hate the government ... but going after individuals is riddiculous, it's the government's fault and sadly as of now the steroid community doesn't have too many supporters.

-sk

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: Re: Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

Yes, but if the Feds had a fucking conscious, they wouldn't enforce laws just because "the law is the law", or because "it's their job". They are supposedly intelligent, educated human beings with a conscious. They should know that attacking people for using AAS, while tobacco and alcohol products are completely legal, is total HYPOCRISY. And yet they keep being a vehicle of the federal government's hypocrisy, as long as their paychecks keep coming in. The Fed workers are nothing more than sell-outs who have sold their conscious and integrity to the Federal government over MONEY!!! They are not only doing a great injustice to American citizens, but also to their children who will inherit the unjust and hypocritical world that their parents' left them.

Dude, easy on the "feds." It's their job, they do what they're paid to do. If you see football as a violent, nonsensical sport...do you expect football players to say..."Damn, I'm gonna stop taking these $50 million contracts cuz it's immoral"?

Maybe they see steroids as a problem...not everyone has the same views on this...you gotta realize that.

 

[OAKBOX]

Re: Re: Re: Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

...not everyone has the same views on this...you gotta realize that.

There have been some quality posts on this board in the last few days and this is no exception... well stated.

 

[Nick20]

I think that the feds should be respected as well. I know a guy who used to be a federal official but he is on juice also. I think many people in law enforcement use juice, and are pretty lenient towards others they find out that do it.

 

[jh1]

I think that the feds should be respected as well. I know a guy who used to be a federal official but he is on juice also. I think many people in law enforcement use juice, and are pretty lenient towards others they find out that do it.

Ah... selective enforcement.... they screw the poor saps they don't like and let the others go for their own personal reasons...

Nice.

You respect that?

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

 

[Bulldog_10]

LOL!!!

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: With respect to SofaGeorge.....

I find it QUITE DISTURBING that well-regarded, and even newbies, on EF would ACTUALLY SUPPORT the Feds acitivities, and stick up for them. Even though this site discusses the use of AAS, as well as is 99% percent against the ban on AAS possession, distribution and use. All of you bros know that the federal government's laws banning AAS are hypocritical, especially in view of this same federal government letting tobacco and alcohol products being completely legal with no restrictions, other than age. You could be 9 months pregnant, and still walk into a liquor store and buy 5 bottles of Jack Daniels. Where's the federal government's concern of people in that scenario? And it happens all the time, as all of you damn well know that thousands upon thousands of pregnant women drink while they are pregnant. It's one thing to say that the federal agents have sold out their conscious, and are "just doing their job" without regard to the hypocrisy. But to actually stand there and state that the Feds are doing justified deeds by busting bros and sources over AAS, is total hypocrisy.

How the hell can you guys defend the hypocritical actions of the federal government concerning AAS, and then still come on EF all the time and talk about AAS....oh, wait a minute..................

Bro chill out a bit...You've been going nuts about the feds recently. I definitely agree with what you're saying, but that is no reason to make AAS legal in my eyes.

Sure, most of the guys on this board can use them responsibly. But how many guys are on the boards? 100,000? And of those, how many actually have a GOOD SOLID amount of knowledge on the chemistry of steroids? 1/10? less?

Most of my friends have used juice before, and I can tell you without a doubt that not one of them knew anything about gear except "so and so told me to take this with this, and inject once a week for 10 weeks."

When I talk to most of them about it, I just want to smack them in the face and ask them what the fuck they are thinking. They dont use anti-e's, they dont know how to inject, they don't even know what they're taking..and they dont know what it's doing to them.

So is drinking and smoking good for people?...probably not. But if done in moderation and used responsibly...it's negative effects can be limited.

Are steroids good for people?...maybe...but they can also be horrible if you don't know what you're doing, and don't use them responsibly.

Now, out of steroids or Alcohol and tobacco...which is easier to understand how to use safely? Alcohol and tobacco by a landslide...

My point: It's easier to use alcohol and tobacco without getting hurt than it is to use steroids and not get hurt.


I had to research this shit for two years before I felt I could run a cycle safely...it took me about 4 seconds to learn that I shouldn't drink and drive.

Just my feelings on the matter...There are a million perspectives on this, and that's just what you don't seem to understand.

-Bulldog

 

[john sutter]

Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

THIS FED STUFF IS STRESSING ME OUT!!

Please post the following information for the protection of all subscribers.

1) How to go through the registration process of this board completely anonymously.

2) How to register for secure encrypted email completely anonymously.

For the past month I have been searching over and over this board for a way to do this. No success, although I've gotten close.

It appears that the java script required to register will not allow a user to register through a proxy (megaproxy.com).

So for my protection and yours, I hope you folks can help.

IMO no one should register, login, or post to this board without the above mentioned protection.

Thanks in advance!!

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

THIS FED STUFF IS STRESSING ME OUT!!

Please post the following information for the protection of all subscribers.

1) How to go through the registration process of this board completely anonymously.

2) How to register for secure encrypted email completely anonymously.

For the past month I have been searching over and over this board for a way to do this. No success, although I've gotten close.

It appears that the java script required to register will not allow a user to register through a proxy (megaproxy.com).

So for my protection and yours, I hope you folks can help.

IMO no one should register, login, or post to this board without the above mentioned protection.

Thanks in advance!!

What do you need help with? Just don't put any personal information about yourself in your profile, or anywhere else. There is no way anyone on this board could find out who I am, unless I told them.

 

[ProteinFiend]

Re: Re: Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

I'm sure they could, unless you're using dial-up. But even that is still possible.

What do you need help with? Just don't put any personal information about yourself in your profile, or anywhere else. There is no way anyone on this board could find out who I am, unless I told them.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: Re: Re: Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

I'm sure they could, unless you're using dial-up. But even that is still possible.

Not really bro...I am in college...and I use a different computer pretty much every time i log on...

 

[ProteinFiend]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

You just proved it with what you said.... What do you think logging on with your username does?

Not really bro...I am in college...and I use a different computer pretty much every time i log on...

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

LOL!!!

your buddy hulkster just PM'd me and told me "fuck you and get a real job". is this guy homo or what? lol....real paranoid fucker. needs to be in a straight jacket.

 

[pitbullstl]

Am I to assume that everyone is stressed out by the presence of Federal Law Enforcement??? Oh yeah, and by the way what are steroids???

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Am I to assume that everyone is stressed out by the presence of Federal Law Enforcement??? Oh yeah, and by the way what are steroids???

what feds?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

what feds?

LMAO!

 

[pitbullstl]

what feds?

Big Fed.....You're my hero......

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Big Fed.....You're my hero......

i'm only here to help. glad to be of assistance in this manner for you. :

 

[dinokabrillo]

I have mad respect for george. he is partialy right. the feds are out there. users usually have nothing to worry about..... george is a business man also..... there is money to be made.... you become plat. you get an email account. hits and clicks are made.... business internet guys get paid..... ef users get a false sense of security. dont sell..... dont be violent, and dont make ignorant mistakes.... everone will be fine. this is also a great board become plat. make an email account. give george some money for hosting us a home. hes got to make a living

 

[bbkingpin]

Bump

 

[drrman]

They subpoena the ISP of the user, isp's keep intense logs. They get all the emails. Let's say they are encrypted, now all they have to do is decrypt it. Decrypting is easy as java is fully decompilable. You can find numerous softwares that will decompile it for you.

-sk

the ISP's may hav a log of your connections and what you viewed/seen online, but they DO NOT keep all the packets on a server bro....im a MCSE and a system admin, the packets are encrypted and transferred over teh internet, then decrypted on the receivers computer.....ISP servers do not store data communication packets as it would take up millions of terabytes of data and would make the internet so slow it would be impossible to surf.......but you are right about them intercepting the packets while leaving your machine, but it would not be an easy effort to decrypt the encryption hushmail claims to be using.......if they are really using it that is.......it could be done im sure, but would take much time, money, and effort