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The Feds are all over the boards!

pitbullstl said:
And we have a winner........right on the money SK:D


And JA....I am not saying they will do it over gear related issues...but it has been done

java is decompilable, but that doesn't mean the encryption is decompilable also.....as i said earlier, if the encryption is a strong as they claim there would be VERY few people in this world if any that could crack it, and if they did it would take a team of engineers.....they would probably have an easier time trying to hack your password
 
Skepticore said:
sk*, just because source code is visible does not necessarily mean that the encryption is flawed. The source code for the most successful encryption app of all time, PGP, used to be published. It was available for anyone to look at. Now that they've sold out to a commercial endeavor, word has it that there is now a back door built in. Of course, the source code is now unavailable for the commericial product. But my point is, modern encryption work off mathematical algorithms that do not rely upon the source code being compiled. In other words, its strength lies in its mathematics, not its "code".


As for feds watching the board: why not assume they are? If it's possible, you'd be a fool to ignore this possibility. And ranting at the agents is a waste of time; they do their jobs just like the rest of us. I don't say, "Let's kill anyone who delivers Budweiser!" if I disagree with legalized alcohol sales; Budweiser delivery guys are just doing their dman jobs! I go to my local politicians and say, "Make this a dry county." (I drink, so this is just an example, but you get my point.) :D

If you don't like what they're doing, complain to the RIGHT source. Voting booths and lobbyists offices are good places to start...

EXACTLY what i was trying to say
 
Re: Need SERIOUS advice on registering with Elite Fitness via anonymous proxy

Bulldog_10 said:
Not really bro...I am in college...and I use a different computer pretty much every time i log on...


you may use a different computer bro, but ALL the computers in your campus domain are in a range of "private" Ip addresses, when what you do goes out to the internet it goes via a public IP address assigned to your campus which can then be tracked back to the firewalls at your school which can track the headers on the log packet back to the machine you were sitting on via the MAC address, they can then look at login logs on the domain controller and find out you were the one logged into that machine at the time it happened.......so you are not safe by doing that......
 
DRRman said:
the ISP's may hav a log of your connections and what you viewed/seen online, but they DO NOT keep all the packets on a server bro....im a MCSE and a system admin, the packets are encrypted and transferred over teh internet, then decrypted on the receivers computer.....ISP servers do not store data communication packets as it would take up millions of terabytes of data and would make the internet so slow it would be impossible to surf.......but you are right about them intercepting the packets while leaving your machine, but it would not be an easy effort to decrypt the encryption hushmail claims to be using.......if they are really using it that is.......it could be done im sure, but would take much time, money, and effort

True, but the NSA and FBI (2 versions) of carnivore are installed at almost any major ISP in USA.

United States - Total Informational Awaren
A project of the United States Department of Defense, Total Informational Awareness (TIA) is designed to gather personal data on a grand scale, including emails, phone calls, financial records, transportation habits, and medical information. Its proponents believe that by scanning and analyzing this massive pile of data, government agents will be able to predict and prevent crime. Many specifics concerning this plan have yet to be determined, including methods to protect the security of the warehoused information and other prevent unauthorized access. It is known, however, that the U.S. government is already funding projects to develop tools that could be used as part of this system, including software to predict an individual's behavior based on what that person does online. Reports indicate the state of Florida (with Federal support) is developing a system (called the MATRIX) that is broadly similar to TIA.

United States - Carnivore
This Internet surveillance program, which is currently being used by the United States government, is somewhat similar to ECHELON. Contrary to prior assertions, a subsequent government-commissioned review panel found that Carnivore is indeed capable of collecting all communications over the segment of the network being surveilled: "The results show that all TCP communications on the network segment being sniffed were captured by Carnivore." Moreover, the default configuration is to do just that: "When turning on TCP full mode collection and not selecting any port, the default is to collect traffic from all TCP ports." Carnivore is now being replaced by an even more powerful system, known as DCS 1000 or Enhanced Carnivore, which reportedly has higher capacity in order to deal with speedier broadband networks. The United States government also has issued a controversial field guidance memorandum regarding the installation and operation for this family of surveillance tools.

United States - Oasis & Fluent
United States intelligence officials have developed two programs which many experts believe may be used to enhance ECHELON's capabilities. One of these programs, Oasis, automatically creates machine-readable transcripts from television and audio broadcasts. Reports indicate that Oasis can also distinguish individual speakers and detect personal characteristics (such as gender) then denote these characteristics in the transcripts it creates. The other program, FLUENT, allows English-language keyword searches of non-English materials. This data mining tool not only finds pertinent documents, but also translates them, although the number of languages that can currently be translated is apparently limited (Russian, Chinese, Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Korean and Ukrainian). In addition, FLUENT displays the frequency with which a given word is used in a document and can handle alternate search term spellings.


Field Guidance on New Authorities (Redacted)
Enacted in the 2001 Anti-Terrorism Legislation


http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/DOJ_guidance.pdf
 
Mr.X said:
True, but the NSA and FBI (2 versions) of carnivore are installed at almost any major ISP in USA.

United States - Total Informational Awaren
A project of the United States Department of Defense, Total Informational Awareness (TIA) is designed to gather personal data on a grand scale, including emails, phone calls, financial records, transportation habits, and medical information. Its proponents believe that by scanning and analyzing this massive pile of data, government agents will be able to predict and prevent crime. Many specifics concerning this plan have yet to be determined, including methods to protect the security of the warehoused information and other prevent unauthorized access. It is known, however, that the U.S. government is already funding projects to develop tools that could be used as part of this system, including software to predict an individual's behavior based on what that person does online. Reports indicate the state of Florida (with Federal support) is developing a system (called the MATRIX) that is broadly similar to TIA.

United States - Carnivore
This Internet surveillance program, which is currently being used by the United States government, is somewhat similar to ECHELON. Contrary to prior assertions, a subsequent government-commissioned review panel found that Carnivore is indeed capable of collecting all communications over the segment of the network being surveilled: "The results show that all TCP communications on the network segment being sniffed were captured by Carnivore." Moreover, the default configuration is to do just that: "When turning on TCP full mode collection and not selecting any port, the default is to collect traffic from all TCP ports." Carnivore is now being replaced by an even more powerful system, known as DCS 1000 or Enhanced Carnivore, which reportedly has higher capacity in order to deal with speedier broadband networks. The United States government also has issued a controversial field guidance memorandum regarding the installation and operation for this family of surveillance tools.

United States - Oasis & Fluent
United States intelligence officials have developed two programs which many experts believe may be used to enhance ECHELON's capabilities. One of these programs, Oasis, automatically creates machine-readable transcripts from television and audio broadcasts. Reports indicate that Oasis can also distinguish individual speakers and detect personal characteristics (such as gender) then denote these characteristics in the transcripts it creates. The other program, FLUENT, allows English-language keyword searches of non-English materials. This data mining tool not only finds pertinent documents, but also translates them, although the number of languages that can currently be translated is apparently limited (Russian, Chinese, Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Korean and Ukrainian). In addition, FLUENT displays the frequency with which a given word is used in a document and can handle alternate search term spellings.


Field Guidance on New Authorities (Redacted)
Enacted in the 2001 Anti-Terrorism Legislation


http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/DOJ_guidance.pdf

true this is in place, but its a selective type process again....not ALL communication packets are "kept" at the ISP, they may be filtered, viewed by this program and selectively stored.......i find it extremely hard to believe this program is collecting "all" packets at all times....there is just no way the internet as a system could run as fast as it does

truth is, even carnivore isn't going to find the regular user buying juice online 5 times a year......you guys on here may be juicers and break the law occasionally, but we are in no way real criminals....we are not constantly looking for heroin, cocaine etc........now if you are a "BIG" dealer and or a dealer of hardcore rec drugs which they are cracking down on now, that is a different story. but most big rec drug dealers don't do their business over the internet anyways
 
DRRman said:
true this is in place, but its a selective type process again....not ALL communication packets are "kept" at the ISP, they may be filtered, viewed by this program and selectively stored.......i find it extremely hard to believe this program is collecting "all" packets at all times....there is just no way the internet as a system could run as fast as it does

DCS 1000 will have access to 100% of US communications going thru USA ISPs. All logged.

NSA is working with the FBI on that one.
 
Mr.X said:
DCS 1000 will have access to 100% of US communications going thru USA ISPs. All logged.

NSA is working with the FBI on that one.



damn....fucking government is a bitch for sure! oh well, i haven't read any info on the dcs1000, but i still don't see it possible to capture the all data packets through an entire ISP all day every day.....i mean every downloaded song, downloaded porn packet.....it would take millions of gigabytes even terabytes to capture all that in a day if they capture every packet with no way of being selective as to which ones they are after. and if they did capture every packet, there is no way they could store it very long, as the information can't just keep building and building....storage will run out real quick...........i think this software will basically monitor packets, look for "flags" that might pop up, then log and store data related to communications it finds "shady".........either way big brother is watching and if he wants ya he's going to get ya!!!
 
DRRman said:
damn....fucking government is a bitch for sure! oh well, i haven't read any info on the dcs1000, but i still don't see it possible to capture the all data packets through an entire ISP all day every day.....!

Anything is possible when you have enough money and power, which the US government does.

I once heard a saying by a now dead VP of Skunk works (Lockheed Martin's Advanced Development Programs): "We have technology 50 years ahead of what is presently known by the public...." If you can imagine what type of techonolgy is available to an overbloated goverment with almost unlimited taxpayer/borrowing resources, you can see why anything is possible for them.


B-2 stealth bomber made its debut in 1988, 6-8 years before PCs became mainstream, and 10 years before computers were known to perform enough lift control to stabilize the delta wing in flight. I think the B2 technology was around in the 60s, just not perfected until the early 80s. That's 25 years ago, imagine what type of technology your tax payer dollars and high gas prices are funding now? :coffee:

Btw...The F-117 stealth fighter first flew in 1981, so that's 25 years right there - but imagine when the technology was first on the table for development.
 
Mr.X said:
Anything is possible when you have enough money and power, which the US government does.

I once heard a saying by a now dead VP of Skunk works (Lockheed Martin's Advanced Development Programs): "We have technology 50 years ahead of what is presently known by the public...." If you can imagine what type of techonolgy is available to an overbloated goverment with almost unlimited taxpayer/borrowing resources, you can see why anything is possible for them.


B-2 stealth bomber made its debut in 1988, 6-8 years before PCs became mainstream, and 10 years before computers were known to perform enough lift control to stabilize the delta wing in flight. I think the B2 technology was around in the 60s, just not perfected until the early 80s. That's 25 years ago, imagine what type of technology your tax payer dollars and high gas prices are funding now? :coffee:

Btw...The F-117 stealth fighter first flew in 1981, so that's 25 years right there - but imagine when the technology was first on the table for development.

good points there X!!!
 
BBkingpin said:
What about things we post? Is there any way a person can be identified by the Feds? Can they match a handle to a real person?


If they had access to the servers this may be possible, the servers would give an IP which could be narrowed down to the exact location of the computer that sent the message, unless of course, you use a proxy then it will bounce around a bit and take a bit longer to get to but its still possible to get to that information too. Thats just what I know and have personally "seen". And as mr. x has pointed out the technology the gubment has is a tad bit advanced. Point is, if they think its worth going after then there will not be much to stand in their way. Just go get a few more felonies on your record by stealing someones ID and laptop then go to a campus and use wifi to sign on then do all your stuff there. I would recommend wearing a hazmat suit before doing any of that though, that way there will be no forensic evidence after dumping the laptop.
 
If the feds are interested in me, well you guys missed the boat, I speak of my experiences from the past, mainly the 90's.
 
SofaGeorge said:
No - respect the Feds. They are here to do a job, and the ones that are working the EF boards are smart. They aren't a bunch of dumbasses, and they are respectful, intelligent contributors.

Again - they are doing their JOB
 
Im not scared. Everything I say is true and I've got nothing to hide. Look at my sig. Anybody who wants to watch/track me is more than welcome to. The feds can kiss my ass.
 
Outtlaw said:
Im not scared. Everything I say is true and I've got nothing to hide. Look at my sig. Anybody who wants to watch/track me is more than welcome to. The feds can kiss my ass.

My biggest issue is the hypocrisy with both our lawmakers and the enforcemers of the laws. McCain's wasn't satisfied with fucking over and destroying the 1st Amendment with the fucking insane McCain/Feingold Bill which poured even MORE dirty money into politics, hell NO; so he decided to go after steroids with an even greater vengance just to make himself look good for a possible run at the presidency. He slammed baseball made some players cower before him. Demanded baseball owners and players answer to him in front of TV cameras.

YEP AAS are now the devil incarnate and they seek to destroy the lives of those who just want to improve their bodies AND enjoy the real life health benefits of AAS, for instance HRT!

So he and the other stooges in Congress seek to make a hormone that our very own bodies create, the essence of our manhood, and portray it as the same type of drug as cocaine, heroin, and so on.

It makes me want to vomit. Meanwhile the good old boys on both sides of the aisle take money, accept bribes, line their pockets with our tax dollars, use pork spending to pay off their election debts, screw anything that moves (men and women any warm hole in a storm during a session of Congress), drink like alcoholics, smoke cigars, and sit back scratching their nuts truly believing they are better than you and I and TRULY believing they are making the USA a safer place by making a hormone our bodies have made since the beginning of man as some kind of evil force that must be wiped off the face of the earth.

And while they are cutting our nuts off, they are LITERALLY pandering to a group of about 20 MILLION law breakers called "illegal immigrants.

YEP those people who steal identities, use fraudulent social security cards, break our laws, commit numerous misdemeanors and felonies both state and Federal are being REWARDED with a host of federal goodies.

You get caught with one vial of Test and your life may be ruined. Meanwhile back on the ranch in sunny Arizona Mccain and kennedy have roled out the welcome mat for any law breaker who can make the swim and we all know some Fundamentalist are slipping right in with them, probably armed with a WMD, but it's all good as this just inxcreases their grip on the old testicles of the nation. Just look at the goodies those that BROKE the EXISTING state and Federal laws are being given. Especially the option of only having to pay back taxes on 3 out of 5 years.

Tell me politicians aren't fucked up!!!!!!!!

1. $2,000 Fine -- Under the bill, an illegal alien can go from illegal to legal by paying a small fine of $2,000. Often, illegal aliens will pay more than five times this amount to a smuggler to get across the border. Also, the $2000 fine may not have to be paid until year eight, which allows the illegal alien to live, work, and play in the United States for years free from deportation. This imposes a financial burden on the American taxpayer for health, education, and infrastructure costs that aren't reimbursed for five or ten years.

2. Taxes -- Under the bill, illegal aliens get an option to only have to pay three of their last five years in back taxes. Law-abiding American citizens do not have the option to pay some of their taxes. The bill would treat lawbreakers better than the American people. The bill also makes the IRS prove that illegal aliens have paid their back taxes. It will be impossible for the IRS to truly enforce this because they cannot audit every single person in this country.

3. Security Clearances in 90 days - Under the bill, the Department of Homeland Security must perform background checks on illegal aliens in the United States. It also encourages the federal government to complete the background checks on 10 million illegal aliens in 90 days. This is a national security concern because Homeland Security will be pressured to complete these checks without doing a thorough job.

4. Work Requirements - Under the bill, illegal aliens must prove they've worked in the United States for three of the last five years. It also says they have to work for six years after the date of enactment of the bill. However, there is no continuous work requirement for amnesty. They could work for 30 days, take off 30 days, work for 30 days. The bill also says that illegal aliens have to prove that they've worked in the United States for three of the last five years by showing IRS or Social Security records, or records maintained by federal, state, or local governments, employers, unions or day labor centers. However, the bill also allows illegal aliens to ask anybody to attest that they have been employed. This invites fraud, and the government cannot realistically investigate all these cases.

5. Confidentiality - Under the bill, if an illegal alien applies for amnesty, the federal government cannot use information provided in the application for anything but adjudicating the petition. For example, if illegal aliens write in their applications that they are related to Osama Bin Laden, then our government cannot use that information. In fact, it says that the Secretary of Homeland Security can only share that information if someone requests it in writing. This provision severely handicaps national security and criminal investigators.

Also, if a federal agent does use information provided by an illegal alien in an application for amnesty the agent would be fined $10,000. This is five times more than the alien has to pay to get amnesty.

6. Social Security to illegal aliens -- Under the bill, illegal aliens are not prohibited from getting credit for the money they've put into the Social Security system if they've worked in the U.S. illegally. Illegal immigrants who paid Social Security taxes using a stolen Social Security Number did not do so with the expectation that they would ever qualify for Social Security benefits. (The Ensign amendment would have taken care of this, but it did not pass.)

7. Employers get a tax pardon for hiring illegal aliens -- Under the bill, employers of aliens applying for adjustment of status "shall not be subject to civil and criminal tax liability relating directly to the employment of such alien." Businesses that hired illegal workers would now get off scott-free from paying the taxes that they owe the government. This encourages employers to violate our tax laws and not pay what they owe the federal government. In addition to not having to pay their taxes, employers are also off the hook for providing illegal aliens with records or evidence that they have worked in the U.S. The employer is not subject to civil and criminal liability for having employed illegal aliens in the past, or before enactment.

8. Family Members of H-2C Visa Holder need not be healthy -- Under the bill, spouses and children of H-2C visa holders are exempt from a requirement proving that they meet certain health standards. The visa holder is required to undergo a medical exam, but their family members are not which potentially puts Americans at risk.

9. Mandatory Departure isn't really Mandatory -- Under the bill, the Secretary of Homeland Security "may grant" Deferred Mandatory Departure to illegal aliens in the 2-5 year category. The Secretary "may" also waive the departure requirement if it would create substantial hardship for the alien to leave.

10. No Interview Required. - Under the bill, illegal aliens in the 2nd tier who are required to leave the country can re-enter the United States on a visa. However, the bill does not require these individuals do not have to be interviewed. The bill doesn't give discretion to our consular offices to require an interview. The 9/11 hijackers weren't subject to appear in person. Today, the State Department requires most applicants to submit to interviews, and waives them only for children and the elderly.

Yep steroids are bad, but if you break the laws of our soverign nation by sneaking across the border you get the red carpet treatment.

Sorry for the rant but it's one of my "Hot Buttons"! ;)
 
Let me kick my 2 cents in..... Securenym.net is the way to go , i know someoen who had their account subpoenad by the DEA The admin of securenym.net sent an email to my friend warning him..he also told them that their is nothigm.net they can do.. They annot give up any info..In fact the securenym.net owners cannot even reset your email to get in there.... securenym.net is the way to go regardless of everybody on hush nuts..... Hush can be cracked easily
 
Juice Authority said:
How could the feds go after email servers that are located outside the US? Are you saying that they have international jurisdiction since they're federal agents?? I don't know about that.
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How can the feds go after mexican anabolic producers in Mexico...The US takes whhatever the fuck we want..... Look all they have to do is put "greenlantern' on the server, and you guys are history
 
64Pilot said:
Let me kick my 2 cents in..... Securenym.net is the way to go , i know someoen who had their account subpoenad by the DEA The admin of securenym.net sent an email to my friend warning him..he also told them that their is nothigm.net they can do.. They annot give up any info..In fact the securenym.net owners cannot even reset your email to get in there.... securenym.net is the way to go regardless of everybody on hush nuts..... Hush can be cracked easily


What was your friend doing to get his account subpoena???


Just curious about what about his online traffic triggered the subpoena.





-BRR
 
Id like to know the same thing.
don't be fooled into thinking the FEDs just sit around subpoenaing internet users just for the fu%k of it.

Something must have triggered an investigation
 
blut wump said:
In the UK they've made it a criminal act to withhold any type of password from an officer of the law.



What good does having a password do then :worried: ?
Might as well stamp it on your hand...:o

My name is Term and my password is Blues Clues :p :D lol...
 
They brought it in as a sub-clause of the prevention of terrorism act.

Someone pointed out that if a copper hits you with a spot fine they could march you off to an ATM and demand the 'password' to your bank account to withdraw the money. It's a crazy world.
 
OAKBOX said:
You should respect the fed's, becuase they are stopping religous zelots from detonating WMD's inside your country...


Bull Sh*t. The feds can't keep 11 million people from crossing the Mexican border. There are islamic nutsos here in America walking free and the feds don't even know about half of them.
 
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