The Feds are all over the boards!

[chakarov]

"Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth it and would cost them more than it was worth it to spend. The feds (or even your isp) can read the outgoing packets from your computer, and even if the hushmail like emails are encrypted they can just "crack" it as java is decompilable (the encryption is right there infront of anyone who needs it). Not trying to be a dick, but there really is no such thing as "untrackable" if they really invest the time and effort in getting what they need."


You're missing the point sk. It's not whether or not the Feds can track the e-mail(s) (sure they probably can). It's whether or not they can subpoena the info into a Federal Court. It's what can be used AND proven in Fed. Court that matters. Some evidence is admissable and some is inadmissible.

Do you understand the point Geroge Spellwin made? He's now made his point twice. Please learn to read between the lines and use some intuitive thinking going forward.

 

[HULKSTER]

US federal agents do not have jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's law enforcement organizations and practices. The only way they could get information from a foreign-based company would be if that country's government (i.e. UK) worked with the US government in order to get that information. But that type of cooperation is usually reserved for terrorists and international drug cartels. And the extra law enforcement muscle thrown into the Eric Perrin case had more to do with publicity and politics, than it did with protecting the average American citizen's safety and health. Hell, if the US government cared so much about our health, then why are addictive and deadly tobacco and alcohol products legal? Oh, that's right, the same federal government that has the responsibility of protecting Americans' health from corporations is ALSO THE SAME FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT COLLECTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL PRODUCTS! Maybe if we all started paying out a "cut" of our gear purchases to the Federal Government, they might just consider legalizing AAS if they see a great potential for significant tax revenue.

 

[sk*]

You're missing the point sk. It's not whether or not the Feds can track the e-mail(s) (sure they probably can). It's whether or not they can subpoena the info into a Federal Court. It's what can be used AND proven in Fed. Court that matters. Some evidence is admissable and some is inadmissible.

Do you understand the point Geroge Spellwin made? He's now made his point twice. Please learn to read between the lines and use some intuitive thinking going forward.

Go read the US Patriot Act. They don't even need a subpoena, at least in these days of "war against terror."

Now on the second part, I am not sure if they are able to use decrypted emails in a supreme court or not ... not quite sure on the law part.

-sk

 

[George Spellwin]

Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth it and would cost them more than it was worth it to spend.
-sk

Very good point sk* -- this is what I was trying to communicate to our members. A few simple precautions can quickly make something very easy like subpoenaing AOL into something VERY difficult and VERY expensive -- like trying to decrypt secure e-mail located outside of the USA.

We would love to hear your ideas about encryption -- just start a new thread. And thank you for your participation on the site.

 

[pitbullstl]

US federal agents do not have jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's law enforcement organizations and practices. The only way they could get information from a foreign-based company would be if that country's government (i.e. UK) worked with the US government in order to get that information. But that type of cooperation is usually reserved for terrorists and international drug cartels. And the extra law enforcement muscle into the Eric Perrin case had more to do with publicity and politics, than it did with protecting the average American citizen's safety and health. Hell, if the US government cared so much about our health, then why are addictive and deadly tobacco and alcohol products legal? Oh, that's write, the same federal government that has the responsibility of protecting Americans' health from corporations is ALSO THE SAME FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT COLLECTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL PRODUCTS! Maybe if we all started paying out a "cut" of our gear purchases to the Federal Government, they must just consider legalizing AAS if they see a great potential for significant tax revenue.

he he he he he he he......

If it made my gear more accessible....I would gladly pay a tax premium

 

[Juice Authority]

What other countries besides the US consider AAS to be a controlled substance? Isn't it legal in most companies outside the US? I believe it's legal in Canada to possess but not sell or soemthing like that.

 

[George Spellwin]

I don't know enough about international law to dispute that. I just don't see why they would go to such lenght to bust steriod traffickers and users.

They don't! I know first hand.

Imaging a prosecutor trying to convince the secret service or NSA to spend the resources and money involved in trying to get data located outside the US and then divert resources from cracking terrorist communications to cracking a small-time dealer's e-mail.

Assuming they get the encrypted e-mail, which is not evident, and assuming they were able to decrypt it, which is not possible, they could still find out that there was nothing worth having -- and it might not even be admissible.

 

[pitbullstl]

They subpoena the ISP of the user, isp's keep intense logs. They get all the emails. Let's say they are encrypted, now all they have to do is decrypt it. Decrypting is easy as java is fully decompilable. You can find numerous softwares that will decompile it for you.

-sk

And we have a winner........right on the money SK


And JA....I am not saying they will do it over gear related issues...but it has been done

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

All good points made on here.

Much like you can't make your house or car 100% impermeable, the idea is to make it as unatrractive a target as possible.

On here it is impossible to 100% protect yourself. But you want to make yourself as unattractive a target as possible to prosecutors.

As an interesting side note I thought I would relate that the Washington Post had an article yesterday that certain people are complaining that the DEA isn't doing enough to stop drug dealing in the DC Metro Area. The DEA usually goes after mid-level people and leaves the kingpins to the FBI. Well with all the focus on terrorism the FBI hasn't done much on the drug front and the DEA hasn't been picking up the slack.

I'll go try to dig up the article.

 

[sermon_of_crockery]

Here's the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64241-2003Apr20.html