The best way to train

[layinback]

you're gonna have a hundred different answers here bro. Didn't you make another thread like this about heavy or light? That was you, no?

You know how I train, so no need for me to spark the debates.

i want a hundred different answers lol. and no, this is totally different than
my light and heavy thread. the amount of weight that's used to train is
only one part of the equation.

i FIRMLY believe the way you perform your sets and reps are infinitely
more important than the amount of weight that's employed.

i also believe that there's a better mousetrap.

 

[the small soldier]

If this is working for you than great. If I was to do a similar split I would train it a little different.

A) Chest/Shoulders/Tris
B) Calves/Hams/Quads
C) Bis/Forearms/Back Width/Back Thickness
D) Chest/Shoulders/Tris

The next week Calves/Hams/Quads would be your (A) workout, so it would get done twice that week. See the pattern? I would use compound exercises for each body part and no more than three exercises for each body part. Best would be two exercises for the big muscle groups and one for the smaller groups (tris, bis, forearms). This is just food for thought. Again, your program does not look too bad. Do whatever is working for you.

I'm really comfortable with what I'm doing now, it's yeilding results and I feel good doing so I'll stick with it, I was doing a similar workout to the one you posted, but doing shoulders after chest often leaves my joints screaming and I find it hard to too many heavy leg exercises on the same day so I split them up.

 

[layinback]

I'm really comfortable with what I'm doing now, it's yeilding results and I feel good doing so I'll stick with it, I was doing a similar workout to the one you posted, but doing shoulders after chest often leaves my joints screaming and I find it hard to too many heavy leg exercises on the same day so I split them up.

bro, in my opinion the optimal time to do delts is after chest. most chest movements pre exhaust and prime your delts. if your joints are screamin
then drop the weight on delt movements and concentrate on form.

and yes, a heavy leg day is hard but this is bodybuilding. there's a lot
of value in doing legs in one session. if you train hard and smart you
will be able to handle more than you think you can

 

[layinback]

LOL,

Yeah its similar to the last thread...but good nonetheless.

Actually, Im following Layinbacks method or 25,20,25,12,8,faliur on my standard split for 6 weeks - man, it hurts so bad! I wanna see if I can build muscle as well as with heavy weights, and with the lighter weights and slower movement my form is pretty much perfect. My goals are more esthetic than pure mass.

LB - any advice?[/QUOTE]

yep, talk to omega. when we corresponded last, you intimated that you were
going to join the project.

i haven't lifted anything heavier than a 70 lb DB in over 6 months. i'm bigger
and leaner than 95% of WWE guys lol and many many full time bodybuilders.
my goals are purely aesthetic too but i am strong.

 

[layinback]

If this is working for you than great. If I was to do a similar split I would train it a little different.

A) Chest/Shoulders/Tris
B) Calves/Hams/Quads
C) Bis/Forearms/Back Width/Back Thickness
D) Chest/Shoulders/Tris

The next week Calves/Hams/Quads would be your (A) workout, so it would get done twice that week. See the pattern? I would use compound exercises for each body part and no more than three exercises for each body part. Best would be two exercises for the big muscle groups and one for the smaller groups (tris, bis, forearms). This is just food for thought. Again, your program does not look too bad. Do whatever is working for you.

this is my bread and butter split. i do deviate on occasion but it's not arbitrary,
EVERYTHING i do in the gym is well thought out and planned.

bodybuilding is like CHESS not checkers.......you have to think 5 - 10 moves ahead to obtain superior results.

as you know, the split you've outlined empowers each consecutive muscle group
and is absolutely optimal for mass phase IMHO.

 

[the small soldier]

bro, in my opinion the optimal time to do delts is after chest. most chest movements pre exhaust and prime your delts. if your joints are screamin
then drop the weight on delt movements and concentrate on form.

^^^ This is probably true, however I do think that my delts are one of my best body parts. I'll tell you what though, I'll try to doing some light/slow shoulder work after my next chest day and I'll keep doing it for a month or so and I'll let you know how I feel.

and yes, a heavy leg day is hard but this is bodybuilding. there's a lot
of value in doing legs in one session. if you train hard and smart you
will be able to handle more than you think you can

^^^ I tend to over-work myself with legs I mean to the point where I have collapsed from fatigue ( just doesn't seem like a healthy idea to me, I used to do a whole leg workout in one day, but I'm only able to one workout per week and not two which I'm finding to be a lot better. I'm still seeing results with what I'm doing now, but If I do hit a wall I may have to change things up.

 

[layinback]

^^^ I tend to over-work myself with legs I mean to the point where I have collapsed from fatigue ( just doesn't seem like a healthy idea to me, I used to do a whole leg workout in one day, but I'm only able to one workout per week and not two which I'm finding to be a lot better. I'm still seeing results with what I'm doing now, but If I do hit a wall I may have to change things up.

well, if it aint broke don't fix it. if you keep an open mind and you're willing to
do what it takes, the sky's the limit.

 

[fortunatesun]

i FIRMLY believe the way you perform your sets and reps are infinitely
more important than the amount of weight that's employed.

i also believe that there's a better mousetrap.

Probably not what you meant exactly, but I wanted to add that the best way to train is a program that you actually do.

When I first started I had no access to information other then the dated collection from the local library. On the other hand, I was highly motivated, always gave it my best effort and never missed a day.

I compare this to times when I've been a lot stronger and much more knowledgable yet felt I could blow off and make it up later. It's easy to guess when I made better progress.

As has been said, there's many ways to train and I've done a few of them. My conclusion is that keeping a open mind to new ideas, being honest with yourself about your present abilities, and dedication to being better are all part of building that better trap.

 

[ceo]

 

[RobertFontaine]

Madcow 5x5 and Starting Strength have been the two most productive programs that I have tried.

The downside of 5x5 was that I wasn't ready for an intermediate program at the time and ended up doing a fair bit of Tendon damage.
Starting Strength seems to be building overall strength faster and with less joint strain and is more appropriate for me at the moment.