That's It. I'm Going Clean. I Don't Wanna Die.

[Tweakle]

It doesn't actually say the 3 who 'suddenly died' did so from homocystine related causes, but the junk media is all about drawing correlations.

That soundbite makes me wish I was one of the group of sedentary, non roid-using individuals.. they must have the happiest, healthiest, most fullfilled lives of any of the test subjects.

 

[solidspine]

Don’t use gear or use gear it isn’t a big deal and entirely your decision,

But the study is purely some ones imagination, totally bogus.

“A new study provides more evidence that long-term use of anabolic steroids can cause heart and blood vessel disease, and may even boost the risk of sudden death.”

Ah, so much for modern science, especially from England, pretty much describes life in general, dud.

 

[guest storm]

Some stuff googled on this

The most common cause of increased hematocrit is dehydration, and with adequate fluid intake, the hematocrit returns to normal. However, it may reflect a condition called polycythemia vera—that is, when a person has more than the normal number of red blood cells. This can be due to a problem with the bone marrow or, more commonly, as compensation for inadequate lung function (the bone marrow manufactures more red blood cells in order to carry enough oxygen throughout your body). Anytime a hematocrit is persistently high, the cause should be determined in consultation with a doctor.

During the past few years, elevated blood levels of homocysteine (a sulfur-containing amino acid) have been linked to increased risk of premature coronary artery disease, stroke, and thromboembolism (venous blood clots), even among people who have normal cholesterol levels. Abnormal homocysteine levels appear to contribute to atherosclerosis in at least three ways: (1) a direct toxic effect that damages the cells lining the inside of the arteries, (2) interference with clotting factors, and (3) oxidation of low-density lipoproteins (LDL).


"like 80% of Europe smoke anyway? Hell coke or heroin too maybe?"

Funny, we thought the US was the capital of this sort of stuff - shows how both sides of the water think the same way about each other.

Can't speak for Europe but nothing wrong with the UK mate.

storm.

 

[littleguy]

I wonder what a study of 20 years of government taxed cigarette smoking would reveal?
Or 20 years of estrogen by putting your sexually active 13 year old daughter on and she stays on birth control till 33 years of age?
What do I know........................typical bullshit propaganda.
How about 20 years of overeating and obesity, shouldn't that be illegal?
Just my Sunday rant Cheers.

 

[DMI]

For anyone interested in reading the entire study it's in the Bjaarki Library at AnabolicFitness.net

Ulter, out of interest, what is your take on the study?

 

[Ulter]

All it says is that people who both eat a ton of protein and use steroids have a higher homocysteine level. A higher homocysteine level has been "implicated" as a cause of CAD (coronary artery disease). There are a couple pieces missing. If a raised homocysteine level does in fact contribute to CAD then what if it's artificially raised, like by steroids. Many times the reason an indicating factor is raised is more significant than the actual rise in levels. Kind of like with cholesterol levels. Many studies show no link to CAD from a bad lipid profile. But other studies show lipid profiles are good predictors of future CAD. But what if the studies showing lipid profiles are a good predictor used sedentary overweight men. Then the fact that they are sedentary overweight men may be the reason they are getting CAD and not the lipids.
Again the homocysteine levels have been "implicated", not proven, to be an indicator of CAD. So the fact that steroids may raise this level may mean nothing. They are playing connect the dots and there are dots missing so they can't connect them.