Test : Tren Ratio ...whats your opinion.

[C0LUMB0]

Based on your own experience what works well for you ?

I have friends that run test higher than tren and vice versa.

for the most part i have equally dosed when running tren ace and test prop..usually 100mg EOD

and also ran test at twice the dose of tren - both enanthate...1000mg test with tren @ 400mg.

for me ,sides were not minimised on either "method"...night sweats ,short temper,hair loss and the dreaded cough always present.

Discussion on competition for the AR also welcome

 

[Alphacore200]

Have always run test p 100mg and tren a 100mg, but once I received a 150mg / ml tren a vial ran that at the end of a prep keeping the test p at 100mg/ml

No real differences mentally or physically that I noticed. Only differences I have ever physically been annoyed with was Anadrol acne sides

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Depends on what you want to do the most work? You want the tren to do its thing more so than the test?

You could reverse things...ie: 1g Tren wk and 500mg test. I would wager that would yield different results.

 

[JoeBlob]

Using a higher dose of test is a TEMPORARY solution to the problems tren can bring on. People get confused with that and think it's the right solution but it's not. As long as you keep prolactin and estrogen in check you don't even need test. I always run tren higher than test... the more test you have the more sides you get. Just as if you were running test solo. IMO all you need is an trt dose of test with high amounts of tren.

 

[RickRock13]

I love test and how I feel on it, but I am certainly not opposed to running tren higher than test. I'm sure its a good idea running your most dominant compound higher than any others

 

[bonacris]

Sorry to chime in without having run tren, but in my research the people that seem to recommend test at a 2:1 ratio to tren always use the excuse for it being about keeping libido up.. there seems to be no other reason to run test so high other than libido.. there is also never any mention of caber or prami.. o can't imagine what kind of shutdown they experience after cycle with there prolactin so high

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[C0LUMB0]

Depends on what you want to do the most work? You want the tren to do its thing more so than the test?

You could reverse things...ie: 1g Tren wk and 500mg test. I would wager that would yield different results.

lol @ 1g of tren, stfu !

 

[zwhit]

I ran tren@400mg with test@ 250mg a while back compared with an equal ratio before. not a whole lot of difference to report.

but I think the guys running tren higher than test are running higher doses of tren than you or I typically run. I'm seeing most guys who swear by higher tren running 600-800mg tren with test at half that dosage. more tren will probably yield more results regardless of the test dose.

 

[stevesmi]

I liked the tren/var stack when it came to strength. tremendous strength gains

i would like to try tren/EQ .. think stacking those 2 would be awesome.. might have to throw in some tren on the backend of my EQ cycle, not sure yet

 

[bigbassturd]

For me, test at 500 and tren at 400 is a great recomp dose, assuming diet and training is in order

 

[bigbassturd]

I liked the tren/var stack when it came to strength. tremendous strength gains

i would like to try tren/EQ .. think stacking those 2 would be awesome.. might have to throw in some tren on the backend of my EQ cycle, not sure yet

so far it's working solid for me. I have heard bad stories about the BP issue with tren plus the added RBC issue with EQ turning into a serious BP issue when ran together, but N2Guard help keep my BP in order so I haven't had an issue with it yet.

Also, some report the anger issues of tren don't mix well with the anxiety of EQ (at high doses) but that also stems from BP and other preventable sides

 

[stevesmi]

^^ yeah bro I just started my EQ so not familiar with it at all yet. I swore i would never run it cause of the long ester but looking foward to see after a few weeks what this stuff does. seems like it would be an awesome compliment with tren at a low dose. if i do stack tren with it gonna do only 200mg a week of tren as an icing on the cake.

so gonna end up with 500-600 EQ and 200mg of tren... and i might throw in 250mg of sust with it.. not sure yet.. i want to give the EQ time to build up by itself in my system to see what it does for me (not even sure if this new source I am using is good or not) gonna run bloods after 3 weeks to see

i'm stacking 2 caps of kata for the first 4 weeks but i already know what to expect there

let me know how it goes with you

 

[bigbassturd]

^^ yeah bro I just started my EQ so not familiar with it at all yet. I swore i would never run it cause of the long ester but looking foward to see after a few weeks what this stuff does. seems like it would be an awesome compliment with tren at a low dose. if i do stack tren with it gonna do only 200mg a week of tren as an icing on the cake.

so gonna end up with 500-600 EQ and 200mg of tren... and i might throw in 250mg of sust with it.. not sure yet.. i want to give the EQ time to build up by itself in my system to see what it does for me (not even sure if this new source I am using is good or not) gonna run bloods after 3 weeks to see

let me know how it goes with you

well if it is legit EQ, you'll love it bro.

I am about 6 weeks into EQ at 600mg and Sust at 500mg, and on day 6 of Tren at 350 and Mast at 600. Getting some really solid gains and have lost a bit of fat. Hoping that when the tren/mast really kicks in that the hardening starts shining and i'll finish the cycle a lot leaner and more dense

 

[stevesmi]

^^^I'm doing twice a day cardio and lifting in between. 2 mile bicycle in morning.. 1 hour weights in the afternoon and then a 2 mile walk in the evening.

i cut out all breads except whole wheat buns for my turkey burgers. and once the mackerel start running i can focus on oily fish protein, its gonna be a great cycle if this EQ is legit

 

[bigbassturd]

The started running here early this week so it won't be long for you guys. Nothing like fresh mack.

Your appetite is going to skyrocket with a sust/EQ/tren run, so stock up!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I ran tren@400mg with test@ 250mg a while back compared with an equal ratio before. not a whole lot of difference to report.

but I think the guys running tren higher than test are running higher doses of tren than you or I typically run. I'm seeing most guys who swear by higher tren running 600-800mg tren with test at half that dosage. more tren will probably yield more results regardless of the test dose.

^^^ Exactly.

Tren is going to do its thing no matter what. Too much test will lead to an assload of estrogen at some point. Which will exacerbate the tren sides. Our bro ConanX ran 800mg tren ace wk religiously. He was a monster. I havnt seen him in months though. (hope he's ok)

So Columbo.....(Cough cough...Columbus) .... Why not try just a token test dose like 300-350wk and like 800mg tren wk? Still just over a gram of gear but I would wager that it would be quite a bit different than 1000mg test and 500mg tren.


Also Steve, Bassturd, especially with EQ....give blood guys. Give double red blood cells if your iron isn't too high. This will keep your levels nice and healthy. RBC, Hemocrit, keep the iron build up down ect. Very very good idea. You can do whole blood every 8 weeks and Double RBC 3 times a year. I suggest double RBC if you can. If not do whole blood the week before cycle and again 8 weeks into cycle.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yup. really you don't need much test at all and shouldn't stack much test. the 'wet sides' as I call it will catch up to you (high bp, insomnia, bloat, etc)

 

[C0LUMB0]

Seems we are talking about EQ ....I'm also gonna hi-jack my own thread here

I ran EQ @ 750mg for 15 weeks and was less than impressed, incresaed hunger ? nope..gains ? meh ...

will i use it again ? no - its just wasting valuable tren space in the syringe.

 

[joeblow12345]

From my experience with tren the higher test dose is what caused the sides. The night sweats, high bp, headaches, insomnia, prolactin and estrogen sides, were all present when test was higher then tren for me. I'm running more tren then I ever have (600 mg) and have no sides at all. I'm only using 0.25 mg of adex every 7 days to control estrogen. I haven't had to use caber once and don't plan on it. My libido is strong, appetite is strong, and I'm making constant gains. This is definitely the way to go for me, and I won't bother ever running test higher then tren again.

 

[Captain FT]

So, a lot of low or no test folks here, hmmm.

What about Primo in place of test at a low does. Maybe 200mg primo, 400mg tren, 400mg mast, anyone done that?

What do you think would be better 400mg tren/mast per wk for 10 weeks or 600mg tren/mast for 6 weeks?

My first experience was test/tren/mast blend, short ester at 100mg ea EOD and loved it. Since I know I can handle the sides I'm going to run tren/mast long ester at 400/wk - was going to do 400mg test per week but now you guys have me reconsidering.

 

[Tux]

I definitely prefer to run my tren higher than test, as I mainly use tren for cutting cycles and I don't want any estrogen issues. ATM I'm running a mix of 75tren ace/75mast prop/25test prop, a homebrew that totals 175mg/ml. I just use 1cc MWF and saturday night, so only 100mg/week of test prop. I'm getting leaner and stronger every workout now and have no problems whatsoever with water weight or sex drive, etc. Hell my sex drive is actually through the roof, I think I'm gonna be in my best shape of the last several years this summer

 

[zwhit]

So, a lot of low or no test folks here, hmmm.

What about Primo in place of test at a low does. Maybe 200mg primo, 400mg tren, 400mg mast, anyone done that?

What do you think would be better 400mg tren/mast per wk for 10 weeks or 600mg tren/mast for 6 weeks?

My first experience was test/tren/mast blend, short ester at 100mg ea EOD and loved it. Since I know I can handle the sides I'm going to run tren/mast long ester at 400/wk - was going to do 400mg test per week but now you guys have me reconsidering.

I see no reason to not run at least a replacement dose of test, but that's just me. I think 200mg primo would be useless. test has functions in the body and primo doesn't.

 

[Captain FT]

I see no reason to not run at least a replacement dose of test, but that's just me. I think 200mg primo would be useless. test has functions in the body and primo doesn't.

What would be a replacement dose of test? I'll probably run 400mg across the board of test/tren/mast.

 

[notjake11]

I cant run tren during most of the year because of its reputation as a cardio killer but plan on running it this winter during the three month period when there are no races. Threads like this are great for guys like me to learn about the compiund and the different experiences people have had with it

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[Tux]

Yeah tren is my favorite gear hands-down, but it DOES kill my run time. I just stick to incline walking and some elliptical for cardio on tren, and even then sometimes the pumps get nigh unbearable after 10-15 minutes! Nothing else like it for incredible recomps though.

 

[stevesmi]

tren when on your strength becomes incredible and godley (is that even a word?). nothing is better for strength. dudes at the gym always ask me if i need a spot when i'm on cause they can't believe how strong this 5 6 200 pound dude is. I tell them "nah i'm good bro" and they are like "huh?" then I rip off 6 or 7 reps. there are PLers who are 270 pounders with guts hanging over their belts who I can keep up with when i'm on tren. thats the good news.

however when you come off guess what happens? the opposite, your strength tanks hard. and yes you need to come off if you want to have healthy lipids and if you want to give your tendons/ligaments a break.. even if you cruise on test your strength will still tank after the tren is out of your system. keep this in mind those of you who want to use tren for strength gains.

so the question becomes do you want quick but harder to keep gains or do you want slow acting easier to keep gains. if its option 1 then go with tren every time. if its option 2 go with primo, eq, etc. i've said many times on here 'tren is overrated' and people go nuts at that statement. what I mean is I want to see what your lifts are 8 weeks after your last injection of tren, not during week 8 on tren. to me its not what you do while on a substance its what you end up with after its long gone that is important. its how you improve year over year. no different than a gambler who makes 5K in one night in vegas, but doesn't tell you he was stuck 20K from the week before. I don't care how much you made that day, i care about how much you made overall.

having said that if you are going to visit friends who want to hit the gym lets say Sept 1 and you want to impress them. get on tren in early July and run it for 10 weeks. and when you meet those friends in the gym they will be shocked at how strong you are.

 

[zwhit]

What would be a replacement dose of test? I'll probably run 400mg across the board of test/tren/mast.

trt dose, 200mg or so. I just don't see any reason not to run the trt dose of test, for myself, with any cycle. but you know what you call handle better than anyone else.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

trt dose, 200mg or so. I just don't see any reason not to run the trt dose of test, for myself, with any cycle. but you know what you call handle better than anyone else.

For cycling purposes and calling it a TRT dose yes...200mg is spot on. Since most good UGL's are dosed high even less would do fine. 125mg-150mg.

 

[digit0x]

Sorry to chime in without having run tren, but in my research the people that seem to recommend test at a 2:1 ratio to tren always use the excuse for it being about keeping libido up.. there seems to be no other reason to run test so high other than libido.. there is also never any mention of caber or prami.. o can't imagine what kind of shutdown they experience after cycle with there prolactin so high

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I'm inclined to say the ratio is irrelevant. Tren shuts down the bodies natural test production and test replaces it. Depending on goals, you can adjust the test accordingly, but I don't believe there is any golden ratio.

 

[bonacris]

I'm inclined to say the ratio is irrelevant. Tren shuts down the bodies natural test production and test replaces it. Depending on goals, you can adjust the test accordingly, but I don't believe there is any golden ratio.

I should have been clearer.. I mean it seems to be a hard fast rule that test is double tren.. some site will absolutely destroy you if you mention you want to run tren higher than test but yet I see on this site guys running low test high tren and no test and tren.. the ratio seems to be an old school thing and the guys here are more up to date

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[xdarren18]

I just finished up a prop / ace cycle. I ran 75mg ED tren , 50 mg ED prop. Loved it. I did get tired of the pinning tho. How does tren E compare to ace? Think I'll run that next time I decide to use tren.

 

[ledhead]

99% of the people on this board do not have the muscle nor the muscle capacity to utilize and sustain more than 200-300 mgs of Tren a week. I assure you folks who do more than that you will be utterly shocked to find out if you did a little case study by running 200 mgs of Tren a week for 8 weeks (myostatin raises) then upped it to 300 mgs for 2-4 more weeks you would get the identical results from doing 400-1000 mgs of tren a week, and way less sides no matter what your test dosages are. It is a biological certainty...

 

[dvoted]

99% of the people on this board do not have the muscle nor the muscle capacity to utilize and sustain more than 200-300 mgs of Tren a week. I assure you folks who do more than that you will be utterly shocked to find out if you did a little case study by running 200 mgs of Tren a week for 8 weeks (myostatin raises) then upped it to 300 mgs for 2-4 more weeks you would get the identical results from doing 400-1000 mgs of tren a week, and way less sides no matter what your test dosages are. It is a biological certainty...

Websites that follow this theory?

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[C0LUMB0]

 

[Deltoid_87]

1200mg test with 600 tren e is the best bulking cycle ive run. I preferred this over my test deca and tren run.
When cutting tho thats too much test i like to stay a little dryer. so a small dose of test 250mg a week. 400 - 600mg tren.

I know u like to run the Big cycles like me Columbo!

 

[Xandoz]

I ALWAYS run Testosterone HIGHER than Trenbolone. Its a must for me.

 

[MattJS]

I suppose it depends on how each compound effects you personally at each dosage... My first time with tren I did 75mg-100mg (ramped up after second week) EOD tren with 125mg test per week, I felt great most of the way through and looked really freaky by the end of my run....

This time around I've gone for 100mg test EOD 100mg tren EOD, on this run I'm a hell of a lot stronger, PRs being blown straight out of the water, but then I'm eating more... The only other difference is I don't look nearly as good this time due to test bloat despite a 100% clean diet, I'm coming to the conclusion that 250mg per week of test is a max for me....

 

[TheronB]

I'm going to try 200/200 twice per week for my first test e/tren e run.

Should I frontload my first two injections, or do you guys think that will be too much tren for my first tren cycle?