Test Is OVERRATED!

[Ross]

ross, what did you take year around??

First 2 cycles were 5 week Anavar cycles, 30mgs ED.

Then I ran Dianabol at 20mgs for 6 weeks.

Then I ran my first injectable, which was Equipoise, for about 18 weeks, stacked with Turinabol, then Anavar.

Then I ran Primobolan, and added Winstrol at the end.

ALL BULKING CYCLES.

The MOST weight I ever gained from a NON-testosterone cycle was 10-12lbs.

The first time I used Testosterone I used 50mgs of Testosterone Propionate ED for 6 weeks and gained 20lbs, and UNBELIEVABLE STRENGTH.

Now, I always use Testosterone as a BASE.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Apples to oranges....1,000mg of Primo VS 1,000mg of Test?? By MY OWN EXPIERENCE..I'd say the Test guy can gain 20-25lbs and the Primo guy can gain 10-15lbs..on the same diet, training,etc...So I guess it really depends what you want

J
ps..we all know our best gains are in our teens/early 20's..when our natural Test is at its highest..hmmmmm

There are lots of other factors involved there. A 50 year old can take 100 mgs of test a week and have the T level of a 20 year old, but he won't make gains like a 20 year old.

One of those factors is SHBG. It must stay low in order to grow. That's why I believe avenacosides A&B are as important to the anabolically enhanced athlete as protein. And muara puama too, though it's connection with testosterone is not fully understood. The two together just seem to work better.

 

[bilter]

And in the case of Proviron and Winny, they increase "free" T by supressing SHBG. And by the way, Saw Palmetto LOWERS DHT and increases SHBG. IT IS THE WORST SUPPLEMENT A MAN CAN TAKE.

can you site even one study that supports either of these 2 claims? I have searched many time over the years and have yet to find one.

 

[Nelson Montana]

can you site even one study that supports either of these 2 claims? I have searched many time over the years and have yet to find one.

Are you serious? As for saw palmetto, there are thousands. It's an alpha reductase inhibitor. Do a search. The thing is, they all think that lowering DHT is a GOOD thing! You have to read between the lines.

 

[Vascular Freak]

i am running prop/primo/winstrol....i have var as well would that be better suited for this stack or should i wait 5 weeks and drop the winstrol and add var/masteron combo to the test and primo?????

 

[Ross]

Are you serious? As for saw palmetto, there are thousands. It's an alpha reductase inhibitor. Do a search. The thing is, they all think that lowering DHT is a GOOD thing! You have to read between the lines.

You are correct Nelson.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Are you serious? As for saw palmetto, there are thousands. It's an alpha reductase inhibitor. Do a search. The thing is, they all think that lowering DHT is a GOOD thing! You have to read between the lines.

i love DHT but my prostate prob doesn't

 

[worldclass]

OMG Nelson. Do you ever read anything about what you're posting? I assume you just post this stuff off the top of your head to see what happens to it.

The Russians were already using testosterone but the sides were horrific! Dianbol offered a "kinder, gentler" version.

The Russian's were already using Testosterone and because of the sides Dbol was invented? Do you mean the German's and the Swiss and you just typed Russian by accident? No, I think you just pulled that off the top of your head again. Dbol came long after Ciba was making test from cholesterol in the 30's.

Deca was the darling of 80's bodybuilders because is was not androgenic.

Nandrolone is not androgenic?

I can't even read the ridiculous writing about one steroid being better for keepable gains, Primo over Test, simply because the you just finished that compelling article about the myth of keepable gains.
I said this before. Just stick to training. You know something about training. Stop writing about things you don't know anything about. Leave the steroid stuff to Ross. At least he's right about some of what he writes.

 

[nydj66]

Primobolan makes me break out on my chest/back more than any other drug. Nasty, un-poppable, painful zits.

I'll 2nd that comment. I'm on 600mg/wk of Primo with 150mg/week of test-e and my complexion is awful.

Only 150mg EOD of tren was worse for me as far as acne.

 

[Mac173]

Are you serious? As for saw palmetto, there are thousands. It's an alpha reductase inhibitor. Do a search. The thing is, they all think that lowering DHT is a GOOD thing! You have to read between the lines.

If you look at it from a PURE muscle building standpoint, then yes lowering DHT is not a good thing.
But there are other factors in play here also, some people are concerned w/ hairloss and prostate enlargement so a minimal reduction in DHT is not of concern for some individuals.
I would prefer to keep my hair and sacrifice a small amount of gains, than to be huge and bald.
That's just my opinion though.