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Everybody knows test is king, right? Well, it wasn't always that way. In fact, test was, and should be considered, a "last resort" What changed?
Right from the start, the purpose of steroids was to avoid many of the androgenic side effects. This is why dianabol was invented. The Russians were already using testosterone but the sides were horrific! Dianbol offered a "kinder, gentler" version. The problem of course was the liver toxicity. But dianabol was never meant to be taken in the dosages taken today.
Deca was the darling of 80's bodybuilders because is was not androgenic. But deca's lack of androgen didn't prevent the nasty side effects which were ironically WORSE due to the fact that the body was left with no androgens. Deca is the "Edsel*" of steroids!
Primobolin, in many ways, is the ultimate steroid. But as many have realize, without SOME androgen, a cycle just doesn't have quite the same kick. This is Primo and d-bol or test was a sweet stack.
Now, back to test...
The reason test has become so popular is mainly for one reason -- it's cheap -- so cheap it isn't even worth counterfiting. Making test cost next to nothing. In fact, a lot of what people think is other drugs from bootleg sources is all bathtub testosterone in varying doses.
Because test is also anabolic it's a viable substitute for superior drugs like Primo. And because pros started taking more and more drugs, test was as good as anything else, especially when you use slin, GH, IGF, clen, T3, lasix, etc, etc etc. It's also why when these "test heads" come off, they lose 50 pounds in 6 months. The weight just isn't solid.
But test is what makes you strong and manly right? Well, yes and no. It's actually "free" test and DHT that does that. This is why winny, mast, proviron and halo make you rock hard. They're all DHT derivitives! And in the case of Proviron and Winny, they increase "free" T by supressing SHBG. Once again, the only non drug that increases "free T' is avenacosides A&B. Not trib. Not tongkat ali. And by the way, Saw Palmetto LOWERS DHT and increases SHBG. IT IS THE WORST SUPPLEMENT A MAN CAN TAKE.
Once again, very ironic that it's in so many "men's formulas."
This shows the ignorance of so much of the supplement industry.
So what's the verdict? No, don't throw away your testosterone just yet. But don't think of it as so vital. And personally, I think it's the worst choice for a beginner's cycle. Oddly enough, it's often recommended as a good first choice. Primo being virtually non supressive is the best choice IMO.
Don't let convenience and cost confuse the facts. Test is fine. Hey, I'm on HRT and it serves me very well. But if I wanted to do a cycle I sure as hell wouldn't add more test. I'd want as much non suppressive anabolism as possible.
One of these days I'd like to do a 100mg a day Primo depot cycle on top of my HRT and see what happens.
Right from the start, the purpose of steroids was to avoid many of the androgenic side effects. This is why dianabol was invented. The Russians were already using testosterone but the sides were horrific! Dianbol offered a "kinder, gentler" version. The problem of course was the liver toxicity. But dianabol was never meant to be taken in the dosages taken today.
Deca was the darling of 80's bodybuilders because is was not androgenic. But deca's lack of androgen didn't prevent the nasty side effects which were ironically WORSE due to the fact that the body was left with no androgens. Deca is the "Edsel*" of steroids!
Primobolin, in many ways, is the ultimate steroid. But as many have realize, without SOME androgen, a cycle just doesn't have quite the same kick. This is Primo and d-bol or test was a sweet stack.
Now, back to test...
The reason test has become so popular is mainly for one reason -- it's cheap -- so cheap it isn't even worth counterfiting. Making test cost next to nothing. In fact, a lot of what people think is other drugs from bootleg sources is all bathtub testosterone in varying doses.
Because test is also anabolic it's a viable substitute for superior drugs like Primo. And because pros started taking more and more drugs, test was as good as anything else, especially when you use slin, GH, IGF, clen, T3, lasix, etc, etc etc. It's also why when these "test heads" come off, they lose 50 pounds in 6 months. The weight just isn't solid.
But test is what makes you strong and manly right? Well, yes and no. It's actually "free" test and DHT that does that. This is why winny, mast, proviron and halo make you rock hard. They're all DHT derivitives! And in the case of Proviron and Winny, they increase "free" T by supressing SHBG. Once again, the only non drug that increases "free T' is avenacosides A&B. Not trib. Not tongkat ali. And by the way, Saw Palmetto LOWERS DHT and increases SHBG. IT IS THE WORST SUPPLEMENT A MAN CAN TAKE.
Once again, very ironic that it's in so many "men's formulas."
This shows the ignorance of so much of the supplement industry.
So what's the verdict? No, don't throw away your testosterone just yet. But don't think of it as so vital. And personally, I think it's the worst choice for a beginner's cycle. Oddly enough, it's often recommended as a good first choice. Primo being virtually non supressive is the best choice IMO.
Don't let convenience and cost confuse the facts. Test is fine. Hey, I'm on HRT and it serves me very well. But if I wanted to do a cycle I sure as hell wouldn't add more test. I'd want as much non suppressive anabolism as possible.
One of these days I'd like to do a 100mg a day Primo depot cycle on top of my HRT and see what happens.
