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Teenage Steroid Use
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i am a 20 year old that had been using aas for 2 years now.....i can speak for a lot of young people out there one of the reasons.....me my self started using them when i was training at 16-18 no stop all the time for highschool football....freshmen and sophomore year in high school was a standout on jv and on varsity when played.....Jr. year.....i started....the coach expected more then i could give.....i talked to come hometown college players...started working out and stuff with them......found out they did aas.....so i started....i was happy after that and so was the coaches......i played college ball for a year before deciding to concentrate on school and hopefully a bodybuilding career
JibbyJabba
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~ThaGame~ said:hey counselor......QUIT FUCKIN REPLYING TO EVERY POST DAMN!
....sorry, someone had to say it.
Why? This thread is much more functional than most, in that the thread originator replies to all posts making it a cohesive discussion, rather than the normal EF thread, consisting of many inane, random reponses.
Counselor... I think this thread is excellent and addresses an Important issue and you paying attention to all responses is excellent.
I personally think that there need to be more objective sources of information for teens who are planning to juice. The Vets who say that 18 year olds have no business juicing are really no different than old people who preach seuxal abstinence to high schoolers. I mean sure,in an ideal world most people would wait until they were 25 before they start juicing, but in the real world, most will begin not long after high school...
To answer the main question of will it stunt growth I would have to say if you are not fully developed then yes. The excessive estrogen produced will stunt rowth. Like I said before.......Females do not generally grow as large as males because of estrogen and other factors related from estrogen (chemically) This is at least what every document on this topics says (that I have read) There are always exceptions to everything though. The question I think should be Do you want to see if you will be an exception?
thecouselor
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Thanks Guys
I want to thank Jibbyjabba and T20 for your input. Part of the reason I post regularly is because I am grateful for the input and I want that to be known.
Teenage Steroid Use is a topic that alot of vets shy away from because of the implications of their input. I wish more of them would step up to the plate and bat, concerning their opinoins.
We are not here to judge right or wrong, only to trade information. The information posted on this thread should not be taken as professional advise, although many posting here may be professionals themselves. The decision to use is still the individuals alone and hopefully with some adult guidance. Thats what we are here for. These post are just as food for thought as people gain the knowledge they need to make decisions.
I want to thank Jibbyjabba and T20 for your input. Part of the reason I post regularly is because I am grateful for the input and I want that to be known.
Teenage Steroid Use is a topic that alot of vets shy away from because of the implications of their input. I wish more of them would step up to the plate and bat, concerning their opinoins.
We are not here to judge right or wrong, only to trade information. The information posted on this thread should not be taken as professional advise, although many posting here may be professionals themselves. The decision to use is still the individuals alone and hopefully with some adult guidance. Thats what we are here for. These post are just as food for thought as people gain the knowledge they need to make decisions.
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People are going to use AAS. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea in the teen years, but I understand the motivation. That being said, let's embrace the concept of "harm reduction".
Guys in their teens have an enviable combination of high testosterone and growth hormone. So if they're going to juice, I'd suggest someting along the lines of injectable testosterone, maybe 200 to 300 per week for mass (bearing in mind that their levels are already high; we bump them way supraphysiological with a relatively small dose). And then (given what we know about oxandrolone not causing premature closure of the epiphyseal growth plates) a daily dose of Oxandrin around 20 to 30 mg, to enhance the strength gains that will be desirable.
Just my 2 cents worth. I think ranting to youth about the evils of ANY drug is usually counterproductive, especially since the information is usually skewed; this undermines any credibility on the part of those doing the "counselling".
"Harm reduction" is key in these situations.
Guys in their teens have an enviable combination of high testosterone and growth hormone. So if they're going to juice, I'd suggest someting along the lines of injectable testosterone, maybe 200 to 300 per week for mass (bearing in mind that their levels are already high; we bump them way supraphysiological with a relatively small dose). And then (given what we know about oxandrolone not causing premature closure of the epiphyseal growth plates) a daily dose of Oxandrin around 20 to 30 mg, to enhance the strength gains that will be desirable.
Just my 2 cents worth. I think ranting to youth about the evils of ANY drug is usually counterproductive, especially since the information is usually skewed; this undermines any credibility on the part of those doing the "counselling".
"Harm reduction" is key in these situations.
thecouselor
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Thanks Buff
This is the kind of opinion that count for something and is what this thread is for. Hopefully we can get some of the other vets to respond.
This is the kind of opinion that count for something and is what this thread is for. Hopefully we can get some of the other vets to respond.
I was asked to post on this thread, so I will -- even though I didn't read the entire thing. That's because it's a belaboured issue and I'm not in the mood to preach. So I'll take a diferent approach.
When raising my son, I followed these rules:
Never talk down to him.
Always treat him as if he was two tears older than his actual age.
Never lie to him.
Never restrict him.
Never make him feel guilty.
Always try to educate him in every way.
Never threaten him.
Never break a promise.
Always let him know when he screwed up -- why he screwed up -- and what happens if he continues to screw up , but NEVER punish him.
I gave him a lot of slack, so when I told him something was a bad idea, he had no reason to doubt me.
Long story short: He grew up to be a street wise kid who graduated summa cum laude and today is a happy, healthy. well adjusted and succesfull adult.
The moral of the story? It isn't about instilling fear. It's all about making wise decisions.
Meanwhile, some of the analogy's presented on this thread just don't fly.
In the case of steroids, it isn't like abstenence. The sexual urge is a driving force of life. Steroids are just an easy answer.
It isn't like drinking. Most every kid will get shit faced now and then, pay the price and move on.
Some of these kids who are saying it was a great decision sound as stupid as some kid saying it was a great decision to start smoking.
Steroids are unique, yet share a similarity to drugs in that their dangers have been overstated. Hey, I grew up in the 60's when there was REALLY a disparity about the propaganda and the truth about drugs. And because the dangers were overstated, a lot of young people assumed they weren't dangerous at all. I had a lot of friends that insisted they were "just fine" -- right up until the time they were junkies, or arrested, or dead.
The real crime is when some idiot who should know better, doesn't discourage a young man from using steroids. It has nothing to do with the kids "rights." It's just a bad idea. Being knowlegable on the subject doesn't make it more acceptable. It's still a bad idea.
I'll say just one more thing, then off of my soap box. If a man who doesn't need glasses and begins to wear glasses, his eyes will adjust, become weaker, and becoming depentant on the glasses. If a man walks with a cane long enough, he will walk with a limp without it. Keep an baby bull in a cage, and it will never grow to its full size.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
When raising my son, I followed these rules:
Never talk down to him.
Always treat him as if he was two tears older than his actual age.
Never lie to him.
Never restrict him.
Never make him feel guilty.
Always try to educate him in every way.
Never threaten him.
Never break a promise.
Always let him know when he screwed up -- why he screwed up -- and what happens if he continues to screw up , but NEVER punish him.
I gave him a lot of slack, so when I told him something was a bad idea, he had no reason to doubt me.
Long story short: He grew up to be a street wise kid who graduated summa cum laude and today is a happy, healthy. well adjusted and succesfull adult.
The moral of the story? It isn't about instilling fear. It's all about making wise decisions.
Meanwhile, some of the analogy's presented on this thread just don't fly.
In the case of steroids, it isn't like abstenence. The sexual urge is a driving force of life. Steroids are just an easy answer.
It isn't like drinking. Most every kid will get shit faced now and then, pay the price and move on.
Some of these kids who are saying it was a great decision sound as stupid as some kid saying it was a great decision to start smoking.
Steroids are unique, yet share a similarity to drugs in that their dangers have been overstated. Hey, I grew up in the 60's when there was REALLY a disparity about the propaganda and the truth about drugs. And because the dangers were overstated, a lot of young people assumed they weren't dangerous at all. I had a lot of friends that insisted they were "just fine" -- right up until the time they were junkies, or arrested, or dead.
The real crime is when some idiot who should know better, doesn't discourage a young man from using steroids. It has nothing to do with the kids "rights." It's just a bad idea. Being knowlegable on the subject doesn't make it more acceptable. It's still a bad idea.
I'll say just one more thing, then off of my soap box. If a man who doesn't need glasses and begins to wear glasses, his eyes will adjust, become weaker, and becoming depentant on the glasses. If a man walks with a cane long enough, he will walk with a limp without it. Keep an baby bull in a cage, and it will never grow to its full size.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
I can't stand it when people make conclusions on a topic without supportive evidence.
I have yet to find out how steroids, or any other drugs for that matter, will affect an 18 year old more negatively than they will a 45year old. Ofcourse it is possible that the 18year old is still in puberty stages, but that is rare.
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I have yet to find out how steroids, or any other drugs for that matter, will affect an 18 year old more negatively than they will a 45year old. Ofcourse it is possible that the 18year old is still in puberty stages, but that is rare.
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