Teenage Steroid Use

[thecouselor]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been troubled by the growing interest of young men at the high school level concerning AS use. In my profession of personal training I have developed a number relationships with young athletes. Numerous times conversations have revolved around this issue of AS use by 17-20 year old males. I have made it understood that I do not approve of this age group using for a number of reasons. Never the less I fear some of the young athletes are going to make these choices because the pressure they feel to succeed.

I want this thread to represent the pros and cons of AS use by young athletes. If they are going to take the chance of AS use, lets give them the best advice we can.

Please post only factual information backed by unbiased research or personal experiences. Thanks for any help you can give these young athletes.

 

[Only1eagle]

There is no pro's! They have yet to hit their full potential and are taking an easy way out.

If they eat, train, and rest right thry will not need any foriegn substance at that age.

 

[Surgical]

The only advice I would give is to spend this time doing research about AAS. Then when they hit their genetic potential they can make an informed decision.

 

[thecouselor]

Right

I could'nt agree with you more only1eagle. But understand that these young men will probably ignore good advise in order to pursue their dreams right or wrong. Keep in mind they are finding themselves in competition against others who have already decided on sport enhancing drugs.

The question is, is there any guidance that can be given to those who will inevitably decide to go that route. I do not personally know enough about this issue other than some of the known side effects. The last thing I want is to loose them to the local gym idiot's guidance. For the athlete who decides against better judgement there is the best advise they can get or the village idiot. The lesser of the two evils will be the knowledge this board can provide.

Thanks for your input. Please try to back opinions with sound research

 

[~ThaGame~]

i'm a teenager, 17, and i'll admit that i have even thought about AS use. But the more i thought about it the more i realized how it was just an easy escape to getting big. Now i'm more focused on seeing how big i can get without AS and the day i reach my full potential will be the day i use them.

 

[thecouselor]

Good Choice

Good choice on your part young man. Give your body the time it needs to complete its growth unhampered. Make no mistake though. You will eventually come to understand AS use is not an easy out for mass and strength. It is an aid that allows you to push past genetics.

As many will tell you, hard work and diet become even more intense when you make a decision toward more advanced measures of training. Easy is for a fool who uses with no real intention of success or goals. This kind of activity is for the serious athletes only.

 

[chrisoh]

i started at 18, best decision I ever made.. i researched all the info I could for 2 years beforehand and only did it because I hit a wall in my training, i was 215 then and i'm 230 now at age 20, never used test, dbol, deca, eq... strictly winny and fina.

 

[thecouselor]

??????

ChrisOh, the biggest concern I have with this is the fact that your long bones may not have fully metastasized yet. Did you consult your physician about whether or not you were done growing?

Anyway, good luck with your decision and I hope you succeed at what ever your goal is.

 

[theoak01]

Why is everyone so concerned with being taller? Im 5'6 and wouldnt want to be any taller,I also started A.S about 17 or so,I would have waited if I could go back,not due to any sides or anything but so I could see what I could have done without it

live and learn

 

[thecouselor]

Canadian Oak

Thanks for your input Canadian. Do you feel your growth was adversely affected by this choice and would you have any advise for a young athlete considering this?

 

[thecouselor]

Advise

Really would like to hear from people who have a lot of knowledge in this area. These youngsters need your help

 

[SofaGeorge]

Why do trolls post?

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Shame on them!

 

[Paulos]

I'm 19, started this year. I'd been the same height (5'9") since I was 16 so I figured I was done growing. I'd went from 300lbs of fat down to 205, then up to 220 with a reasonable BF% before I even started considerng juice. I had by 18 years of age a 335 Bench, 500 Dead, and 455 Squat, naturally at a bodyweight of 210, and I had been training since I was 14.

Honestly I do not believe I was at my genetic potential - I am sure I could have gotten bigger and stronger with a few more years of natural work - but why should I? I am not trying to start an argument at all about this, but I would say that the majority of users began AAS without even being close to their potential. It gets to a point where the effort put forth isn't anywhere near reciprocated by the returns - and at that point I felt like I was ready.

I do not believe I am wrong in using AAS at my age because I feel I have put my time in. I understood how to train, the mechanics of diet, and I was and am dedicated to this lifestyle. I consider myself an advanced weightlifter.

I think of it like this.

You have to drive somewhere everyday for five years. The first year you are allowed to drive. The second, you are allowed to ride a bike. The third, you can run, and the fourth, you can walk.

The fifth year you are allowed to crawl to your destination. You're still trying to get to the same place - achieve that same goal, but getting there has become so much harder that it's almost not worth the effort anymore, Especially when as you're crawling there's a damn car next to you the entire way whispering "Inject me!" into your ear.


That being said...I can understand your point for the reason that the majority of users my age come to the board with shit like this...

"HI I HAVE 5 AMPS OF SUSATENON AND 3 VIALS OF DECA AND SOME DIEANABOL A FRIEND GAVE ME, HOW DO I USE THEM? BY THE WAY IM 18 AND 146 POUNDS, BEEN TRAINING HARDCORE FOR 3 MONTHS."


An Idiot is an idiot, whether said idiot be 17 or 30.



So anyways I guess my point is this - While alot of people my age are probably not ready for steroids there are those who have earned it - Frackal is a good example. I believe he's only 20 and he knows more than 90% of the board.

 

[thecouselor]

Good Post

Paulos

Thats the kind of input based on personal experienced I asked for. Would you care to add more specific information concerning kinds of cycles that would help them and not hurt them as much?

By the way. That is a very flattering picture of yourself. LOL

 

[Paulos]

No. I did my research, Let them do theirs.

I cannot just give a cycle as we aren't talking about a specific person and we do not know their goals, body composition, experience, etc.

IMO Part of being ready to use AAS is understanding what you are doing to your body and how the compounds you are introducing will affect you. Just laying out a cycle for someone do to completely bypasses that.

 

[theoak01]

Re: Canadian Oak

Thanks for your input Canadian. Do you feel your growth was adversely affected by this choice and would you have any advise for a young athlete considering this?

I dont think that it has effected me at all,I have done two cycles and grown a inch and a half afterwards,Im taller than anyone in my family so Im happy where I am.

I dont think young athletes should take gear,but I understand where they are coming from when they do take it,alot of pressure to be the best anymore and it seems like a way to achieve that faster then natural,but they should research like Paulo's said,just dont take the plunge,I have been around for a while like a sponge absorbing everything I could on this game,good and bad,knowing risks and I accepted them. I also dont believe I was wrong ,I just now wonder what if I had stayed natural.

 

[thecouselor]

?

Good enough, I'm really looking for the advise from more experienced and matured athletes anyway. Don't take that as a slam. You deserve credit for what you have accomplished so far. Keep up the hard work and it should'nt be long and you,ll have a bench like mine. 425lbs and a 585lbs squat. Hey, but I'm 43. That gives lots of time to catch me..

 

[Paulos]

Re: ?

Good enough, I'm really looking for the advise from more experienced and matured athletes anyway. Don't take that as a slam. You deserve credit for what you have accomplished so far. Keep up the hard work and it should'nt be long and you,ll have a bench like mine. 425lbs and a 585lbs. Hey, but I'm 43. That gives lots of time to catch me..

Haha...6 months old man.

 

[thecouselor]

LOL

Just messin with you Paulos. Keep up the hard work... and you to can one day be like me.

 

[thecouselor]

Great

Hopefully this will become a great source of information for young athletes. Keep the dialog coming. Don't just view this thread add to people......

 

[theoak01]

I glad you value my opinion ,but different drugs vary for different people

Anavar is really the only thing I would reccomend,like I said I dont think its a good idea for young people to be on,but like myself it was and is their choice and will have to live with it.

I cant really say any other drugs because I dont think teens should take them

 

[thecouselor]

Thanks

People I think that it is generally excepted that most of us DO NOT agree with teenage AS use. But we should'nt withhold knowledge that may help them make careful decisions, on how to use the safest way possible.

 

[thecouselor]

Oh

Wow people this is what I am talking about. 15 years old and doing a cycle. Just off his mothers milk and on the juice already. Can anyone make a comment here?

These are the young men who need guidance.

Banana eater, why do you feel the need to start at your age? Is it athletics, peers or what? Don't get me wrong. You've made your choice, your entitled to it, but why?

Be as honest as you can. You'll help us older guys understand whats going on out there.

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

Bodybuilding, rugby, self-esteem, women, respect, power, etc.....

 

[thecouselor]

Oh

Rugby. I see. To possess more strength means being more competitive. Right? Do you feel this is necessary to compete with your peer group? Are the other athletes doing this?

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

Re: Oh

Rugby. I see. To possess more strength means being more competitive. Right? Do you feel this is necessary to compete with your peer group? Are the other athletes doing this?

I compete in an older age group since I am better than people my age.
There are some other users. No smart users though.

 

[theoak01]

Then all I can say is low dose and keep it simple,one injectable and if your really persistant stack with a oral like dbol or winny

my best reccomended cycle would be
Enanthate wk1-8 250mg/wk
dbol wk1-4 20mg/ed
nolva on hand
clomid (is a absolute must)

and dont waste your money on a all oral cycle because most teens dont have the diet dedication to keep the weight,Diet will be essential for any cycle but I feel more so with only orals

I would be more than happy to answer any questions any young guys reading this thread have,and you can pm or email me,but dont fucking ask for a source

 

[thecouselor]

?

Thanks guys, I checking out for a while. Going to the gym. Keep the thread active.

 

[slack3r]

if any of you all saw canadian joaks pictures..you would laugh

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: ?

Good enough, I'm really looking for the advise from more experienced and matured athletes anyway. Don't take that as a slam. You deserve credit for what you have accomplished so far. Keep up the hard work and it should'nt be long and you,ll have a bench like mine. 425lbs and a 585lbs squat. Hey, but I'm 43. That gives lots of time to catch me..

Learn to count on your fingers. You list your birthday as May 24, 1957. That make you 45.

Go back to troll land.

 

[thecouselor]

sofa george

That says a lot. If you don't have any intelligent information to add to the thread, stay off of it. Go bore some other thread with your meaningless babble.

 

[bobberoony]

There's nothing wrong with doing juice when you are 18-20, thats the best time to do it. Being juiced in high school is the best feeling ever!!! You are a king. Peers at this age respect muscle and strength.

I think there may be a problem with the 30+ year olds who still haven't given up the habit. Why are they still juicing?? Most people in their age group just look at them as drug using meat heads at this stage and laugh at them. Most women of this age do not find juiced up freaks attractive, so I am at a loss.

Girls of the ages of 18-20 love muscular guys though. In high school, I went from never getting laid to being able to screw anyone I wanted. Doing juice when relatively young is the best freaking feeling in the world.

I personally think I gained about 4 inches in height when I juiced as it accelerated puberty (I was a late bloomer) and gave me a growth spurt so don't give me that crap about stunting your growth. It's B.S.

 

[Paulos]

I am 15, and started my first cycle a few months back. It was intended to be 8 weeks but I got sick midway, so it only lasted 3 weeks.
My growth will not be stunted because I used a non-aromatising compound. I followed up with nolvadex and signs of regular levels of natural testosterone are back to normal.

 

[thecouselor]

bobberoony

Its possible your right. Thats the reason I started the thread to get real experiences of people at your age that started early. Its impressive that you grew a additional 4" after starting AS.

The way I understand it, when puberty starts and male hormone is released it starts the onset of metastasizing of the long bones. This is different for every individual.

What age did you start?
What height did you grow to be?

 

[Golfer18--old]

I am 20 and researched for a good 2 years before even thinking of hitting it. Some of you say "these guys are to young." Well how about we compare me to a 27 year old. I am in week six and have not gone out once, drank a sip of any alcohol, or touched any drug in my entire life. So IMO its all about how you look at each individual person. You can say I am to young but it really comes down to brain cells and dedication. I know 35 year old men who depend on juice for 8 weeks and quit working out after thier cycle whereas I am in the gym 300 days out the year hitting it as hard as I can without juice or with juice. It goes both ways. I consider myself an adult physically and almost mentally. I take 15 hours in school and work 40 hours a week. Now if you are 15 and juicing you have serious problems. Either with self confidence or patients. I was worried about sides at first but I get blood test done to check on things year round. I never was really scared of the height issue beauce im 6'2. Just because you are a 40 year old man doesn't mean you have a right to juice.


15 years old and juicing, you need to take a step back and look at your life and where you are going. All you are doing is lining yourself up for addiction. Any 15 year old can put on weight pretty damn easy if they eat and train. They are beginners, not to hard to gain at first. You cut out the whole idea of hard work. How do 15 year olds get money for juice? Allowance? Stop the juice and go buy some creatine.

 

[Mr.X]

I guess AS use is like any other drug, no matter how many times we will post information on how "bad" or "evil" AS is for boys, it is usually the case that they use it either way. It just goes to show you that something can be disturbing but is better fixed by providing information - just as we do here on elite. Think about this, AIDS is rampid in the world today, but no one is thinking that AIDS will go away because people will stop having sex - only nations that put together large information programs to show the average person the safety procedures of intercourse, have lowered their AIDS %rate.

Teenage AS use is a grey area, like I said above - they will use it either way. I for one think it's their own choice, for if the government can give an 18 year old a gun and tell him to go kill people in the Army, I don't see why that same teenager can't do AS or drink alcohol for that matter - that's a different issue of course. I'm not condoning the use of AS by teenage men, yet I am realistic and know it will happen no matter what. So, to all the people that are very conservative and bash the idea upon seeing it, I would suggest rethinking the idea itself and maybe providing those in need for information the information needed.

Mr.X

 

[thecouselor]

thanks Mr. X

I agree with what you are saying but how do you understand the implied ramifications of premature use of steroids in teenagers? Are they myth or fact?

 

[deez]

There is no pro's! They have yet to hit their full potential and are taking an easy way out.

If they eat, train, and rest right thry will not need any foriegn substance at that age.

I disagree in athletes. They have a very small window to make it in athletics. Some guys are mostly grown at 17 where others are not until 22 or so. So does that mean that the late bloomer should miss that college scholarship even though his skill is better than the big guy that hit puberty in 4th grade. That just isnt fair. Yes athletics has alot to do with genes but ive seen so many good players not make it because they started growin late. This is the only time i think juice is appropriate. Just like everyone says about never coing off gear. Only for pro's, why do it if you dont do it for a living. SHit if i could do it all over again id juice when i was 16, but i was happy with my height. If i would have done this my life would be alot different than now as i am an example of what i stated above.

 

[thecouselor]

thanks

Thanks for your input. This starts another day. I would like to see this thread get lots of attention.

 

[Retabolil2]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been troubled by the growing interest of young men at the high school level concerning AS use. In my profession of personal training I have developed a number relationships with young athletes. Numerous times conversations have revolved around this issue of AS use by 17-20 year old males. I have made it understood that I do not approve of this age group using for a number of reasons. Never the less I fear some of the young athletes are going to make these choices because the pressure they feel to succeed.

I want this thread to represent the pros and cons of AS use by young athletes. If they are going to take the chance of AS use, lets give them the best advice we can.

Please post only factual information backed by unbiased research or personal experiences. Thanks for any help you can give these young athletes.

I wouldn`t recommend using steroids at this age but I`ve seen many genetically gifted guys who became world or europe champions in powerlifting and bodybuilding at this age. And of course they were juicing alot. So if you think its worth it and you really want to become a professional athlete who compete then you have no choice.

 

[slobberknocker]

Re: Re: ?

Learn to count on your fingers. You list your birthday as May 24, 1957. That make you 45.

Go back to troll land.

lol, yeah get back under your bridge, troll.

 

[thecouselor]

Wow

Thanks for your input slobber. I see you can count to. All the way to ten. Good boy.

 

[T2O]

I have to say I am very sick of hearing this genetic potential BS. Come on bros. I truely think most that preach waiting untill you hit your genetic potential are jealous of the inexperienced gaining the same as it took most years to gain natty in a couple cycles. I am def not for Teens using AAS but lets not use the damn genetic potential bs. Yes being disciplined is of extreme importance. Having a massive amount of knowledge surely doesn't hurt. All who think AAS is a magic hit is sorely mistaken teen or no teen and will not retain what they have gained. I think the most accurate warning to all the teens is your natural hormone levels that are still pretty new even at the age of 18. Why risk shuting down and starting up over and over. Its dangerous IMO.. Your levels should be high enough that you should grow if you have the discipline and knowledge of training and nutrition and not have to risk any side affects. Cherish your balls lol you only have two of them. I know the odds of permanent damage might be slight but is it worth the risk? Then there is the estrogen to worry about. Why do women usually shorter than men??? Estrogen will stunt your growth. Too the one who said whats wrong with being 5'6 damn man I guess nothing is wrong with it but if everyone in your family is 6ft you might feel a little strange if you probably were suppose to be at eye level with them, but your a half a foot under. Plus a lot of teens turn to juice because they want to be an over night huge freek. Well a 6ft huge freek is a lot bigger than a 5'6 huge freek. I think generally speaking LOL not to mention imaging getting gyno at the age of 18. That would suck. Well ok, it would suck at any age. The irreversible damage that you could do to your liver. Wow the list of course goes on. I think all the teens need to be watched after and helped along their way. To simply tell them to grow naturally for 10 years isn't good enough. If they want to do it they will do it. Hell when did most of the true bodybuilders start. Hmmmm I recall Arnold (the god BTW) started young in his teens. All the teens need to just keep sucking in the info and if your going to do it make sure you know all the sides and try to be mature enough to look into the future and say gee is it ok if I stunt my growth now??? If your already maxed out in height hell hit yourself up with a gram of test EW J/K but ask any questions. No question is stupid. Just ignore any flames you might get.......there are some good bros on this board so someone will answer with an intelligent response. Good luck too alllll!!!!!!!!!!

 

[T2O]

BTW I have to agree with Retabolil2

 

[110%]

i am 18 and will say i know that i will take steroids later when i am older around 20 or 21 i assume now, but i do not agree with how people blame an 18 year old that considers taking steroids as an escape and way out to get big, that is not true at all. i have considered doing them sooner a few times but for reasons that it accelerates progress so much, it is not a way out at all; i would still train just as hard and keep to my diet as i currently do, it would just be another factor to help impact my results. If someone was 18 and to do their research, use in moderate and safe doses, and not just do it as a way out but have been lifting for a while and is dedicated to bodybuilding and understands the decision he is making then i think it is their decision to make and not as bad as people make it out to be.

I will also say the reason i am waiting now is not because i havent reached my genetic potential, because really what is the point of this as people say, if one says wait till u reach ur genetic potential to use then basically they are saying they want ot get bigger, so if u believe this what is wrong with researching and doing the work and then using steroids to accelerate ur progress before you reach your genetic potential (whats the point of waiting the extra couple years to reach ur natural genetic potential and have wasted that time where you could have put on more size)? the sole reason i do not use now is because of the impact it claims to have on growth, and i have heard you hit another growth spurt around 19-20 and fell i can be confident i will be done growing by then.


With this said, i also have some questions that i am wondering to help me start to research the use of steroids. Basically i am wondering where do i start, the different kinds of sterods and what each one is supposed to do and the dose to use of each i woul dfigure to research second, wouldnt i want to start by looking itno like the difference between oil based and water based and the general info i need to konw. basically ihvae no info at all right now and no knowledge, and woudl ike to start my research, so if you could help me with where to start with websites i can go to i would be very appreciative.

 

[thecouselor]

Back on track

Once again the focus of the thread is to post as much research and personal knowledge in regard to the disruption of natural growth of skeletal frame due to AS use be teens. This seems to be the biggest controversy when it comes to premature use of AS. Myth or Fact that is the question.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

where i went to high school, you were judged soley by your performance on the football field. Even talk about steroids was taboo, but under it all, it seemed like if someone didnt come out and be outgoing about juicing, the coaches left a blind eye on that person. my senior year when i was 17(yeah this is going to sound really unintelligent, but maybe by me telling this story someone else will keep from doing it) one of my friends ordered some deca and dbol from some place online. He sold me a syringe of "deca" for 20 dollars which was filled with 2cc's of something (probably not deca). he told me to take one injection every other day of .5 cc and to find a spot where i didnt hit a vein and stick with using that one spot. About 2 weeks after my last "injection" i was out playing football just messing around with some of my friends, and my leg sort of popped, and burned like heck. Well it didnt get better, so i went to see a physical therapist. I had this lump of scar tissue the size of a golf ball on my right quad. I had somehow managed to tear my right quadricep to pieces, well maybe not that bad, but bad enough that i had to go through 6 months of PT before i could run again. I missed my senior year of track, and more than one walk-on recruiting trip for football. Yeah it was really stupid.

 

[thecouselor]

Juicedmullet

Thanks bro, bump

 

[slobberknocker]

Re: Wow

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[~ThaGame~]

hey counselor......QUIT FUCKIN REPLYING TO EVERY POST DAMN!
....sorry, someone had to say it.

 

[guards]

STICKY TIME!!

 

[a Jeckel]

i am a 20 year old that had been using aas for 2 years now.....i can speak for a lot of young people out there one of the reasons.....me my self started using them when i was training at 16-18 no stop all the time for highschool football....freshmen and sophomore year in high school was a standout on jv and on varsity when played.....Jr. year.....i started....the coach expected more then i could give.....i talked to come hometown college players...started working out and stuff with them......found out they did aas.....so i started....i was happy after that and so was the coaches......i played college ball for a year before deciding to concentrate on school and hopefully a bodybuilding career

 

[JibbyJabba]

hey counselor......QUIT FUCKIN REPLYING TO EVERY POST DAMN!
....sorry, someone had to say it.

Why? This thread is much more functional than most, in that the thread originator replies to all posts making it a cohesive discussion, rather than the normal EF thread, consisting of many inane, random reponses.

Counselor... I think this thread is excellent and addresses an Important issue and you paying attention to all responses is excellent.

I personally think that there need to be more objective sources of information for teens who are planning to juice. The Vets who say that 18 year olds have no business juicing are really no different than old people who preach seuxal abstinence to high schoolers. I mean sure,in an ideal world most people would wait until they were 25 before they start juicing, but in the real world, most will begin not long after high school...

 

[T2O]

To answer the main question of will it stunt growth I would have to say if you are not fully developed then yes. The excessive estrogen produced will stunt rowth. Like I said before.......Females do not generally grow as large as males because of estrogen and other factors related from estrogen (chemically) This is at least what every document on this topics says (that I have read) There are always exceptions to everything though. The question I think should be Do you want to see if you will be an exception?

 

[thecouselor]

Thanks Guys

I want to thank Jibbyjabba and T20 for your input. Part of the reason I post regularly is because I am grateful for the input and I want that to be known.

Teenage Steroid Use is a topic that alot of vets shy away from because of the implications of their input. I wish more of them would step up to the plate and bat, concerning their opinoins.

We are not here to judge right or wrong, only to trade information. The information posted on this thread should not be taken as professional advise, although many posting here may be professionals themselves. The decision to use is still the individuals alone and hopefully with some adult guidance. Thats what we are here for. These post are just as food for thought as people gain the knowledge they need to make decisions.

 

[buffdoc]

People are going to use AAS. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea in the teen years, but I understand the motivation. That being said, let's embrace the concept of "harm reduction".
Guys in their teens have an enviable combination of high testosterone and growth hormone. So if they're going to juice, I'd suggest someting along the lines of injectable testosterone, maybe 200 to 300 per week for mass (bearing in mind that their levels are already high; we bump them way supraphysiological with a relatively small dose). And then (given what we know about oxandrolone not causing premature closure of the epiphyseal growth plates) a daily dose of Oxandrin around 20 to 30 mg, to enhance the strength gains that will be desirable.
Just my 2 cents worth. I think ranting to youth about the evils of ANY drug is usually counterproductive, especially since the information is usually skewed; this undermines any credibility on the part of those doing the "counselling".
"Harm reduction" is key in these situations.

 

[thecouselor]

Thanks Buff

This is the kind of opinion that count for something and is what this thread is for. Hopefully we can get some of the other vets to respond.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I was asked to post on this thread, so I will -- even though I didn't read the entire thing. That's because it's a belaboured issue and I'm not in the mood to preach. So I'll take a diferent approach.

When raising my son, I followed these rules:
Never talk down to him.

Always treat him as if he was two tears older than his actual age.

Never lie to him.

Never restrict him.

Never make him feel guilty.

Always try to educate him in every way.

Never threaten him.

Never break a promise.

Always let him know when he screwed up -- why he screwed up -- and what happens if he continues to screw up , but NEVER punish him.

I gave him a lot of slack, so when I told him something was a bad idea, he had no reason to doubt me.

Long story short: He grew up to be a street wise kid who graduated summa cum laude and today is a happy, healthy. well adjusted and succesfull adult.

The moral of the story? It isn't about instilling fear. It's all about making wise decisions.

Meanwhile, some of the analogy's presented on this thread just don't fly.

In the case of steroids, it isn't like abstenence. The sexual urge is a driving force of life. Steroids are just an easy answer.

It isn't like drinking. Most every kid will get shit faced now and then, pay the price and move on.

Some of these kids who are saying it was a great decision sound as stupid as some kid saying it was a great decision to start smoking.

Steroids are unique, yet share a similarity to drugs in that their dangers have been overstated. Hey, I grew up in the 60's when there was REALLY a disparity about the propaganda and the truth about drugs. And because the dangers were overstated, a lot of young people assumed they weren't dangerous at all. I had a lot of friends that insisted they were "just fine" -- right up until the time they were junkies, or arrested, or dead.

The real crime is when some idiot who should know better, doesn't discourage a young man from using steroids. It has nothing to do with the kids "rights." It's just a bad idea. Being knowlegable on the subject doesn't make it more acceptable. It's still a bad idea.

I'll say just one more thing, then off of my soap box. If a man who doesn't need glasses and begins to wear glasses, his eyes will adjust, become weaker, and becoming depentant on the glasses. If a man walks with a cane long enough, he will walk with a limp without it. Keep an baby bull in a cage, and it will never grow to its full size.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

 

[sk*]

I can't stand it when people make conclusions on a topic without supportive evidence.

I have yet to find out how steroids, or any other drugs for that matter, will affect an 18 year old more negatively than they will a 45year old. Ofcourse it is possible that the 18year old is still in puberty stages, but that is rare.

-sk

 

[Vulgar_Display_Of_Power]

Guess Im from the train of thought that it all depends upon the maturity of the user.

My main opinion, and this may be kind of elitist, is that if YOU ARE NOT going to compete in SOMETHING, you have NO BUSINESS using AS.

My wife at one point asked if I minded if she did a cycle of Deca with her training partner, and I told her theres no way in hell I will let her until she actually competes in a BB,powerlifting, or strongwomen competition.

I get sick and fucking tired of seeing these wafer thin BOYS strutting around the gym with there water bottles,talking about all the weight and size they have gained, when they are barely the size of my testicles.

Just my opinion, take it for what its worth..

 

[sk*]

Guess Im from the train of thought that it all depends upon the maturity of the user.

My main opinion, and this may be kind of elitist, is that if YOU ARE NOT going to compete in SOMETHING, you have NO BUSINESS using AS.

My wife at one point asked if I minded if she did a cycle of Deca with her training partner, and I told her theres no way in hell I will let her until she actually competes in a BB,powerlifting, or strongwomen competition.

I get sick and fucking tired of seeing these wafer thin BOYS strutting around the gym with there water bottles,talking about all the weight and size they have gained, when they are barely the size of my testicles.

Just my opinion, take it for what its worth..

To each their own, large testicle man.

-sk

 

[Vulgar_Display_Of_Power]

To each their own, large testicle man.

Well, an extended date with Sust has taken care of that for me, so i guess this is even more of a slam to the nuggets at my gym!

 

[thecouselor]

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[Frackal]

Guess Im from the train of thought that it all depends upon the maturity of the user.

My main opinion, and this may be kind of elitist, is that if YOU ARE NOT going to compete in SOMETHING, you have NO BUSINESS using AS.

My wife at one point asked if I minded if she did a cycle of Deca with her training partner, and I told her theres no way in hell I will let her until she actually competes in a BB,powerlifting, or strongwomen competition.

I get sick and fucking tired of seeing these wafer thin BOYS strutting around the gym with there water bottles,talking about all the weight and size they have gained, when they are barely the size of my testicles.

Just my opinion, take it for what its worth..

Don't be so intolerant... morality can be argued either way...one could say for example that only non-competitive athletes have business using AAS because otherwise you are potentially 'cheating' and breaking the rules of your sports federation.

 

[beekay]

I didn't do a cycle until I busted 30. I made great gains through my 20s, then I hit the wall. I started finding myself recovering a little slower, etc. I had been around gear users for years. I just had no interest in it. My genetics carried me a long way. However, they didn't carry me forever. lol. I'm glad I waited. Starting from a lean body weight of 220 gave me a great base. I was holding 250 keepable pounds within a couple of cycles.

That would be my only argument for waiting. Building on to a fairly large base made the gains seem more dramatic. Also, the years spent learning about proper training, rest, recovery and nutrition help me get the most out of my cycle experience. Other factors like muscle maturity, etc., probably helped.
However, if a kid is going to use, he's going to use. I'd rather show him how to do it right then try to talk him out of it. It's his body.

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

15 years old and juicing, you need to take a step back and look at your life and where you are going. All you are doing is lining yourself up for addiction. Any 15 year old can put on weight pretty damn easy if they eat and train. They are beginners, not to hard to gain at first. You cut out the whole idea of hard work. How do 15 year olds get money for juice? Allowance? Stop the juice and go buy some creatine.

whatever man... I am not a beginner. Ive made my way up to 220 lbs.

 

[HiT5500]

I really do think it is hard to understand what it is like to be in a situation when you have thousands of people all expecting you to perform. I started playing varsity football as a sophomore and have grown many followers. It turns out that every parent of the kids in my grade, and the grades around me watch me because I started as a sophomore. Actually I was the first in 25 years, and that pressure is outrageous. I haven't used AS but to me it seems that taking PH's would not only be the best for me personally, since I like getting stronger, but if I don't I won't be able to live up to the players everyone is comparing me with.

 

[khemix]

lol hit5500 bringing this thread back from the dead? I actually remember when this thread first started! I've been here too long...

Chris

 

[HiT5500]

Yeah sorry, realised how old AFTER I posted, that's what you get for using the search button.

 

[Quigley]

i'm a teenager, 17, and i'll admit that i have even thought about AS use. But the more i thought about it the more i realized how it was just an easy escape to getting big. Now i'm more focused on seeing how big i can get without AS and the day i reach my full potential will be the day i use them.

You are a wise young man!!
That is exactly how AAS should be used. I waited myself and it was real difficult. It was in the middle 80s for me and juice was not illegal, cheap, and you could buy from 5 out 10 guys at the gym.
Use them to break through plateaus. You should wait until at least your mid 20s.

 

[black sheep]

One thing I would like to point out is that most threads about people being on HRT contain the following line: "I made some stupid decisions when I was young and did not know what I was doing"

Now at 30 or so they are on HRT. I think the main problem with late teen steroid use is the lack of research. Most teens that think they are done growing really are not, but once they set their mind on hitting the gear no one will talk most of them out of it. The best thing the rest of us can do is to properly educate them to keep them from ruining their lives.

I hate seeing "Dude, you are too young, don't touch the gear" So now rather than sharing in the wealth of knowledge that is contained in the brains of the EF members they are cast out to try things improperly. I always discourage the use at that age, but tell them if they are going to do it, I point them in the right direction.

 

[Beachbum1546]

i've been researching steroids since i was 16. it's very appealing at that age. you read all this stuff how guys are getting huge in a couple years from a handful of cycles. teens want the same thing, quick big results. i also have done enough research to realize that i dont need to be doing them right now. 4 years later i still read about steroids almost daily and haven't touched the stuff. i feel like i know more than most roid junkies. when i do feel ready i at least know what exactly i am doing and what to expect.

 

[Beachbum1546]

whatever man... I am not a beginner. Ive made my way up to 220 lbs.

hmm, i've made it to 215 at 5'8 natural.

 

[Iliketolift]

Im 17 and am on my 5th week of oral Winny, I've only been working out for 13 weeks, and my results are magnificant.140lbs 5'7''.

 

[Muraco]

Nelson Montana...great post!
I started BB hardcore at 12. Wanted to be a pro wrestler & compete in BB someday. Started competing in BB at 16, natural, in the teen comps. Started using AS at 19, to get ready for the men's open the following year. Broke into pro wrestling at 22. I'm 40 now and still competing. I feel I have only average-to-low genetics, as I have always been a hard-gainer. Although I never became rich or famous in either sport, I do not regret using AS at all, and I'm very happy and thankful to have realized both dreams I had as a kid. As long as God wills, I will compete in both sports, because they are still fun for me. There are lots of evils in the world that teens are into...street drugs, alcohol, etc. I feel that AS are the least of all evils, but a teen should definitely train natural for as long as possible before using. Doctors & top athletes should go into the Jr. Highs & High schools and teach practical AS use and their dangers and positives. The only reason the government is taking such a stand on AS and some current health food store products, is simply because nowadays the majority of the public is very intimidated by large, bulked-up athletes. Through the '70's & '80's bodybuilder's and those who looked similar were looked up to. Nowadays, we are looked down upon, and the general public "frowns" on our activity. The media has alot to do with it. Even with the government's stance on the subject, I believe the truth with eventually shine through, and they will be eating their own "crow."

 

[wesley90]

Here is my situation...

I am 18 and have had shoulder surgery about 4 months ago. Turns out I may need surgery again. I am getting Division II interest for football even though I only played 4 games at the end of this season. I have been lifting for about 2 years now, I weigh 240, and am about 20% bodyfat.

I am being considered for a 5th year in high school so I can play another year and get a scholarship to a Division 1AA school or possibly a Division 1A school. I have been researching steroids for about a year, but havent really used any at all. In order to compete at this level, strength is an absolute must. The surgery has really put me behind, and the fact that I may need to get another one is even more scary...

I am currently in a Molecular Biology class and researched how Oxandrolone would effect fibroblasts on collagen in creating more procollagen which forms into a matrix to form collagen. It works via stimulating the mRNA of procollagen I and procollagen III in fibroblasts which in turn creates more procollagen I and procollagen III. Procollagen I synthesis is doubled and procollagen III synthesis is enhanced 11 times...that is truely amazing...

By doing this research and understanding how the drug works on a molecular level, I feel this may be my miracle in speeding my recovery safely.

The only thing is I cant get my doctor to prescribe it, and it is very expensive to buy on the black market...at least for me it is. To work properly I would need 40-50 mgs a day.

Anyways...this is just my rant and any input and feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

[dugie65]

Here is my situation...

I am 18 and have had shoulder surgery about 4 months ago. Turns out I may need surgery again.

Same here man, i am 16, looking to compete competetively in Division 1A 1AA football, possibly 1A soccer.
I also had surgery to fix the anterior tendon in my right shoulder, to keep it from dislocating. Now after 7 months it has started happening again. I have not used AS as of yet, i am 5'9 183 9%BF. BP is up to 280 and squat at 470.
I would say keep it clean as long as you possibly can, i've seen too many people and friends fail at this and end up messing themselves up worse/getting gyno.

Even if you are SET ON doing AS, have the decency to do the research. Know about the side effects and what to look for.

Also, i would NOT suggest a 5th year of HS. Most colleges, will not even look at a 5th year senior, unless you are simply amazing. If you have faith in yourself, go to a good college, and walk-on. If you have the talent, coaches will see it.

Again, i will not even think about steroids until AT LEAST college. Maybe further on. If so many people have made it with out using AS, why not me?

Why

Im 17 and am on my 5th week of oral Winny, I've only been working out for 13 weeks, and my results are magnificant.140lbs 5'7''.

shit man, you didnt try to hard to make gains before putting a substance into your body. Even at 140, 5'7 you dont seem like you would have any natural frame to build off of since you started so early. People like this make us look terrible, if you have only been working out for 13 weeks it is almost certain that you do not have the training habits/diet to achieve anything worthwhile.
In your case, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, i dont see why ANYONE would start at such an early age and low weight.

 

[solidspine]

I can not understand anyone seriously doing gear until they have reached there maxium height, which is usually after they are 24 or 25. 2nd they should reach their natural potenial, which would be late 20's, then start a cycle.

 

[TallB4Small]

unfortunately now a days, highschool and college sports are so over run with aas, that it seems if you arent juicing then you cant compete, unless your gifted. Especially if your playing football on the interior line, playing against kids that are 6'5 300+ pounds and juicing is near impossible to compete with as it is. Im not condoning it by anymeans, but at the same time, you gotta do what you gotta do if you want to make it to the next level.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

In my oppinion if the kid is over 18 and is 240 shredded at 5% bf and has reacehd his natural llimit then yes...however a beginer who has no idea or intemediate ..no.

Arnold started at 16...but he was biger at 16 then alot of people at the gym are at 36.
However you do want to tell kids to wait....till they are more mature, 1001% informed, and have reached their max natural limit.

 

[jdevlin1985]

I can't stand it when people make conclusions on a topic without supportive evidence.

I have yet to find out how steroids, or any other drugs for that matter, will affect an 18 year old more negatively than they will a 45year old. Ofcourse it is possible that the 18year old is still in puberty stages, but that is rare.

-sk

I say all respect to you 'couselor' for you concern - i have just turned 19 myself and i decided to hit the roids a year ago. i am 5'10' and was 150lbs. i had a goal in life and that was to have a good job, nice car, nice bird/wife kids and fantastic body. i had achieved all except the latter (well not where i wanted to be anyway) i done alot of research on roids and decided to see how it goes....the results were fantastic i kept at it, proper training, nutrition and rest. i eventually got up to 198lbs 10% b/f and my confidence boomed through roof. thanks to training hard, good nutrition, rest and ggear i have achieved my goal (alot sooner and can live life to the max in my early years)

Although i would never recommend roids to any of my mates, it was my choice and i am glad i took that route

 

[wesley90]

ttt

 

[wesley90]

bump

 

[HiT5500]

What do you guys think about using steroids for only about 1-2 cycles? To compete at this level of football you really have to be strong, let alone I'm one year young for my grade and starting as a junior? I was only thinking of them because I'll get my surgery and won't be able to lift for a while. Also my genetics really don't allow for big muscle gains, I come from a family of people with the build, but not the actual muscle building. I was also thinking about maybe doing a cycle or 2 of 1-AD instead?

 

[bicepts101]

damn i started reading this thread and saw a lot of old faces...thought it was recent for a sec...lol Nelson...lol...wish he still posted....

 

[dugie65]

What do you guys think about using steroids for only about 1-2 cycles? To compete at this level of football you really have to be strong, let alone I'm one year young for my grade and starting as a junior? I was only thinking of them because I'll get my surgery and won't be able to lift for a while. Also my genetics really don't allow for big muscle gains, I come from a family of people with the build, but not the actual muscle building. I was also thinking about maybe doing a cycle or 2 of 1-AD instead?

started as a soph bro genetics have nothing to do with it. My dad is 5'6 mom is 5'3. All about drive. Stay clean with AS. Lift mornings, eat like a fucking horse, then lift afternoons.
A friend of mine(african american, sorry to enforce the steriotype) was 225(at DE) and got a full ride to OU(ranked #12 on rivals.com). Now after not seeing him in awhile, he weighs 255. Mind you he gained that much weight in a little over 6 months.
I would say if you dont have the potential to make it to college without the use of steroids, you dont have much room to grow afterwards. They EXPECT you to gain 30-40 pounds by your first year playing.

Just my opinion. Cheat your way through HS, it will only fuck you over in college. If you are goin to do it for anyone, do it for yourself WHEN YOU ARE DONE GROWING.

 

[George Spellwin]

Re: Right

I could'nt agree with you more only1eagle. But understand that these young men will probably ignore good advise in order to pursue their dreams right or wrong. Keep in mind they are finding themselves in competition against others who have already decided on sport enhancing drugs.

The question is, is there any guidance that can be given to those who will inevitably decide to go that route. I do not personally know enough about this issue other than some of the known side effects. The last thing I want is to loose them to the local gym idiot's guidance. For the athlete who decides against better judgement there is the best advise they can get or the village idiot. The lesser of the two evils will be the knowledge this board can provide.

Thanks for your input. Please try to back opinions with sound research

The fact that you indicated that you are a personal trainer working with minors considering steroid use and in the same breath you indicate that you personally do not know enough about the issue is the real problem.

The knowledge on this board and in our archives is not the lesser of any two evils. I find that comment highly offensive. There is nothing "evil" about educating oneself about anabolic steroids. And there is nothing evil about an Adult making an informed decision about what to do with his own body. Educating the public, sharing knowledge, and helping people make informed decisions is what we do here. And that's why I am proud of the work we have done here for the last 10 years.

Why don't you encourage these young men to learn a little about anabolic steroids and why don't you do the same.

 

[George Spellwin]

You know what, I just realized I responded to a thread started back in 2003. And I also realized that I responded to thecouselor after reading only his first two posts.

I have now realized I was stupid to post on this thread since clearly thecouselor was masturbating while he was on this thread back in 2003. And if I had a kid, I would keep him as far away from this guy as possible.

I feel really stupid right now.