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How many of you are liking sustanon and my understanding is that its best to shoot in a high dose of 750mg - 1 gram once a week or every 10 days, I got this from an post made by ND2...,let me find it and I will post it on here.
Sustanon at once a week.......
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Here it is, a quote by ND2 on Sustanon and the best way to use it:
The name sustanon means "sustained release" This because its original "thought" for its use was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.
But lets look at sustanon from a Athletes perspective rather then a pharmacological one. Now stop and think ( experienced users). You are sitting down to plan out your next cycle.
Separate all of the different testosterone esters in sustanon and then sit down and take a good look at them. Take each one on its one and then write out how you would use that testosterone ester if you were going to use it in a cycle all on its own.
Here let me split them up for you one more time.
1. testosterone propionate
Ok this is the first test ester in sust. Now make a cycle with it and show me how you would cycle it if you were going to use just this steroid in a cycle!!!
Well if you had any experience at all with steroids you would run it one of a few ways.
A. 50-100mg every day
B. 100mg every other day.
This is pretty much the extent of how you would cycle Test-prop . No one with any experence at all would run this drug any less then 50mg every single day or 100mg every other day.. OK hey maybe you wanted to use the lowest dose you would get away with. Even the lowest does I have ever seen would be 50mg every other day. So 25mg every day or 50mg every day
Guess what? sust only has 30mg of testosterone prop in it. That just barely hits the "every single day dose" you would use if you were going to use this version of test of you were going to use it alone in a cycle.
prop has a 48 hour half life and we all know it ( us with experience... NEXT
2. testosterone phenylpropionate
Well ok now sust has 30mg of testosterone phenylpropionate and this has a 4 day half life. This of course is not a very popular version of test so you will not see many people setting up cycles using this..however if one were to use it it would still end up being a 100mg every other day inject just like one would do with NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - other drugs like it. Or maybe 2-300mg every 3 days. bit again you can see that the dosing is " not right"
3. testosterone isocaproate
This one has a 9 day half life and if you were to cycle it on its one you would more then likely inject twice a week at about 200mg or more. Again the dosing is wrong.
4. testosterone Decanoate
One of my new best friends. I have founds a new love for "long esters" of test and this is my second favorite right behind testosterone Undecanoate the longest ester of test there is. Just love this stuff but test deca is not far behind at all.
But again looking at drugs like test-deca or deca-dernabolan
You will notice people still inject this on a twice a week bases using way more then 100mg ( more like 250-300mg twice a week) or they inject it as little as once a week but even then they inject 300mg or more not 100mg or less.
So then how should one use sust? Well yes you can have a good cycle using twice a week injects of sust. You can have a good cycle running every other day injects of sust-250 too as many have seen for them self first hand.
But guys lets use our heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over all of steroid history what have we always done? We have always taken a steroid and used double, triple, more, more, more, then what was intended to be used right? We take it how it was intended to be taken only we take a whole hell of a lot more then was intended.
So why have we lost our way when it comes to sustanon? When you use sust in any other way then its intended use you get unstable levels. This has been known to cause sust flue, crap loads of nasty acne,mood swings, and all kinds of other problems.
Now I challenge you experienced users out there to test my theory. Insted of injecting sust twice a week, 3 times a week or even every other day... Go back to the basics and use it exactly how it was intended to be used.
Inject your sustanon just once a week.
But needto man thats no fun!!!!!!!!! Ya I know its not. So lets do what we always do and jack up the dosing
Inject 2, 3, or hell even 4ml of sust 250 once every 8 days. This is a great 1000mg cycle and trust me once you take my advice and start injecting your sust the way it was intended to be injecting you will understand and "feel" exactly why this is by far the most superior way of injecting your sust.
This will keep a constant steady on the rise flow of testosterone in your system. The different esters on large doses will work together one after another as one ester drops off the next ester is right there to pick up the slack one after another
The name sustanon means "sustained release" This because its original "thought" for its use was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.
But lets look at sustanon from a Athletes perspective rather then a pharmacological one. Now stop and think ( experienced users). You are sitting down to plan out your next cycle.
Separate all of the different testosterone esters in sustanon and then sit down and take a good look at them. Take each one on its one and then write out how you would use that testosterone ester if you were going to use it in a cycle all on its own.
Here let me split them up for you one more time.
1. testosterone propionate
Ok this is the first test ester in sust. Now make a cycle with it and show me how you would cycle it if you were going to use just this steroid in a cycle!!!
Well if you had any experience at all with steroids you would run it one of a few ways.
A. 50-100mg every day
B. 100mg every other day.
This is pretty much the extent of how you would cycle Test-prop . No one with any experence at all would run this drug any less then 50mg every single day or 100mg every other day.. OK hey maybe you wanted to use the lowest dose you would get away with. Even the lowest does I have ever seen would be 50mg every other day. So 25mg every day or 50mg every day
Guess what? sust only has 30mg of testosterone prop in it. That just barely hits the "every single day dose" you would use if you were going to use this version of test of you were going to use it alone in a cycle.
prop has a 48 hour half life and we all know it ( us with experience... NEXT
2. testosterone phenylpropionate
Well ok now sust has 30mg of testosterone phenylpropionate and this has a 4 day half life. This of course is not a very popular version of test so you will not see many people setting up cycles using this..however if one were to use it it would still end up being a 100mg every other day inject just like one would do with NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - other drugs like it. Or maybe 2-300mg every 3 days. bit again you can see that the dosing is " not right"
3. testosterone isocaproate
This one has a 9 day half life and if you were to cycle it on its one you would more then likely inject twice a week at about 200mg or more. Again the dosing is wrong.
4. testosterone Decanoate
One of my new best friends. I have founds a new love for "long esters" of test and this is my second favorite right behind testosterone Undecanoate the longest ester of test there is. Just love this stuff but test deca is not far behind at all.
But again looking at drugs like test-deca or deca-dernabolan
You will notice people still inject this on a twice a week bases using way more then 100mg ( more like 250-300mg twice a week) or they inject it as little as once a week but even then they inject 300mg or more not 100mg or less.
So then how should one use sust? Well yes you can have a good cycle using twice a week injects of sust. You can have a good cycle running every other day injects of sust-250 too as many have seen for them self first hand.
But guys lets use our heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over all of steroid history what have we always done? We have always taken a steroid and used double, triple, more, more, more, then what was intended to be used right? We take it how it was intended to be taken only we take a whole hell of a lot more then was intended.
So why have we lost our way when it comes to sustanon? When you use sust in any other way then its intended use you get unstable levels. This has been known to cause sust flue, crap loads of nasty acne,mood swings, and all kinds of other problems.
Now I challenge you experienced users out there to test my theory. Insted of injecting sust twice a week, 3 times a week or even every other day... Go back to the basics and use it exactly how it was intended to be used.
Inject your sustanon just once a week.
But needto man thats no fun!!!!!!!!! Ya I know its not. So lets do what we always do and jack up the dosing
Inject 2, 3, or hell even 4ml of sust 250 once every 8 days. This is a great 1000mg cycle and trust me once you take my advice and start injecting your sust the way it was intended to be injecting you will understand and "feel" exactly why this is by far the most superior way of injecting your sust.
This will keep a constant steady on the rise flow of testosterone in your system. The different esters on large doses will work together one after another as one ester drops off the next ester is right there to pick up the slack one after another
johnnyboy3689282
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yeah once a month to a 15 year old that had sleep apnea and has hit puberty. Its says once a month because of the longer lasting esters. Sustanon was developed for people that have to take test injections for medical purposes. Scientist wanted to cut down on patients having to experience multiple injections weekly. So, Sustanon came along and helped make this possible to 1-2 injections per month depending on patients. For someone trying to gain mass, I dont know if i would shoot a gram of sustanon at one time. Thats alot of fucking test bro. Your talking Ronnie Coleman status there pal. Id say 2x a week, maybe 3 with a short acting ester test at a low dose for the first 3 weeks until the sustanon is fully in. Should take 3-4 weeks.
Every 10 days will still put you at about 100mg per day, so ur better shooting E3D just because their are 3 faster acting esters before 10 days in sustanon. You have a 1.5 day half life with prop, 2-4 phenoprop, 6-8 of iso, so in 10 days 3 of your esters are gone! and your running on barely anything for the remainder of the few days. until your next injection. 10 days will give you poor results. Just man up and shoot E3D. Thats nothing at all, trust me. Go to Test Suspension/ Tren ace with other and youll feel like a pin cushion! believe me!!!!!!
Every 10 days will still put you at about 100mg per day, so ur better shooting E3D just because their are 3 faster acting esters before 10 days in sustanon. You have a 1.5 day half life with prop, 2-4 phenoprop, 6-8 of iso, so in 10 days 3 of your esters are gone! and your running on barely anything for the remainder of the few days. until your next injection. 10 days will give you poor results. Just man up and shoot E3D. Thats nothing at all, trust me. Go to Test Suspension/ Tren ace with other and youll feel like a pin cushion! believe me!!!!!!
johnnyboy3689282
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But if you can handle a gram per week, all the power to you. Even 750 at once is alot bro. That be a hell of a day of pumping that for sure! Somehting about injection day gets me moist between the legs!!!! Thats why its ED! lol
in bold from someone who has run sustanon many many many many times.
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ALIN
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My very first cycles in my early years were SUSTANON only injected once every 7 days and my gains were always
outstanding. Of course my DIET and TRAINING were both 100% as well.
outstanding. Of course my DIET and TRAINING were both 100% as well.
Thank you Stevesmi.
A true veteran...
A true veteran...
C0LUMB0
Moderator
Great to see the diferent opinions put forward here based on actual usage.
I'm now running Omnadren @ 750 EW and as we all know this has pretty much an identical profile to sust.
Am running Deca and anadrol too - so theres no hiding the bloat.
I'm pinning the test 250mg Mon,Wed ,Fri ......because 3ml of juice in the glute is literally a pain in the ass
Emp , When are you kicking off the cycle ?
I'm now running Omnadren @ 750 EW and as we all know this has pretty much an identical profile to sust.
Am running Deca and anadrol too - so theres no hiding the bloat.
I'm pinning the test 250mg Mon,Wed ,Fri ......because 3ml of juice in the glute is literally a pain in the ass
Emp , When are you kicking off the cycle ?
you can shoot sustanon 1-3 times per week and still enjoy it. no one is saying differently. what we are saying though is that the way it was designed to be injected is once a week and that is the way that keeps your blood levels constant believe it or not.
sustanon is NOT like cyp because it has 4 different esthers ranging from 2 days to 3 weeks, cyp has 2 week esther.
the short esthers in sustanon make up a small amount and as the test builds in your body one picks up after another.. so in fact injecting sustanon once a week is the correct way to mantain blood levels. I know it sounds confusing but everyone always thinks they should inject a certain way cause of the prop esther, which actually makes up a small amount of sustanon, only 30mg. if you want to inject that often then just pick up some test prop instead. they ignore the long esther which makes up a full 100mg.
and also all testosterone has some bloat, that is normal. I like to run primo/tren/mast with test though to combat that.
sustanon is NOT like cyp because it has 4 different esthers ranging from 2 days to 3 weeks, cyp has 2 week esther.
the short esthers in sustanon make up a small amount and as the test builds in your body one picks up after another.. so in fact injecting sustanon once a week is the correct way to mantain blood levels. I know it sounds confusing but everyone always thinks they should inject a certain way cause of the prop esther, which actually makes up a small amount of sustanon, only 30mg. if you want to inject that often then just pick up some test prop instead. they ignore the long esther which makes up a full 100mg.
and also all testosterone has some bloat, that is normal. I like to run primo/tren/mast with test though to combat that.
BECAUSE it's timed released and you're multiple dosing, Sus becomes pretty much like any other test. I understand the theory about simply shooting a high dose and letting it do its thing, but the problem there would be the huge hit of prop. Your T level will go to over 6000 in a matter of minutes -- stay there for a day and a half and then drop until next week.
always loved this discussion...
i ran it 500/wk mon and wed and made great gains. Im gonna hit it this time once a week and see how it differs. Sust is my favorite that i have done second to dbol.
NELSON - does it really react that fast, i mean 6000 in a matter of minutes????
i ran it 500/wk mon and wed and made great gains. Im gonna hit it this time once a week and see how it differs. Sust is my favorite that i have done second to dbol.
NELSON - does it really react that fast, i mean 6000 in a matter of minutes????
Well, I am going to run the Lumberjack cycle, a lean bulker which consists of Test E, Primobolan, Masteron and Beastdrol as the oral. Running the oils at 15 weeks cycle. Reason I posted the the thread was because I have sustanon 250mg/ml and also Test Deconate 500mg/ml as extras, thought I could use them in the mix also.
Cycle:
Test E - 500 a week
Primo - 600 a week
Masteron - 300- 400 week
Beastdrol - 3 caps ED 1-4 weeks.
I have not started yet, waiting for Monday to get here...., its very interesting to get different opinions on this. Good stuff!!
Cycle:
Test E - 500 a week
Primo - 600 a week
Masteron - 300- 400 week
Beastdrol - 3 caps ED 1-4 weeks.
I have not started yet, waiting for Monday to get here...., its very interesting to get different opinions on this. Good stuff!!
Yes, that's the whole poit of prop. Peoplr are always squaking about how long it takes for test to "kick in." Well, prop is active for about 48 hours. That means the ester is meant to release it immediately. I've seen blood tests on a single dose of sus, one hour after injection and the subjects T levels are over 3000. So, you do the math.
All a big shot will do is create a bigger flucualtion in levels -- exactly what Sus is designed to prevent.
Injecting more often should always create more stable levels no matter the compound....am I right? I've done sust once per week, twice a week, and even eod. Didn't make a HUGE difference either way. But I felt like I could feel the levels drop toward the end of the week when shooting it once per week until the longer esters built up in the blood.
Having said that, I like single ester tests better anyway.
Having said that, I like single ester tests better anyway.
Considering the dosage, that's a decent size hit of prop. It's MEANT to be an instant boost in T. It also works as a nice kickstart but doing a triple shot would be a hefty dosage ON TOP of the other test. That's going to cause flucuations. Now if one doesn't have a problem with that, or prefers it, then fine. But it is what it is.
absolutely correct... not only that, but when you take into consideration the ESTER WEIGTHS... i dont feel like doing the math right now, but there may actually be more mg of true test bound to shorter esters...
The point was the more often you inject ANYTHING the more stable the blood levels. So twice a week sust shots give more stable levels than once per week shots. Might not be a big enough difference either way. But more often objects always equals more stable levels no matter the compound
Good info in here.. I've considered trying out Sust next time around.
I will probably inject Sustanon for first 4 weeks and a dose of Test E or Test Deconate 500 also , so that way the Test will be in at high dose by the 4 th-5th week after stopping with the Sustanon.
needtogetaas
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To each his own but I have explained this a hundred times over since making that thread. It is not the "only" way to run sust but simple another option that works great for many people. IMO there is only 2 wys one should run sust and 2 ways only.
1 large inject of 750mg or above once a week
or every day/every other day 1 full ml.
All other ways are a waste.
1 large inject of 750mg or above once a week
or every day/every other day 1 full ml.
All other ways are a waste.
needtogetaas
New member
nope.. As one ester drops off the next picks up. Check the studies on this.
But you still get the big initial hit of Prop. That was my point. And it isn't like the ester stays dormant waiting to be released, it's released at a slower rate, so there's still some slight additional T elevation, though in the beginning, it's mostly the prop.
Which is why I am going to run sustanon 250mg/ml at 3ml for a total of 750mg once a week. I will see how the pain goes but I am not too worried about it, found a way to make it more smoother by heating it up just right, then get ready to pin.
Anyone else??
What's the difference in the pain of pinning 1cc prop vs 2cc sust? I started a prop cycle (100mg eod) a few years back and had to shut it down after 3 shots because the pain was debilitating. My body has been through the mill over the years and I like to think I have a decent tolerance for pain...but this was overwhelming. I couldn't walk properly and forget about sitting down! I always warmed the oil and pinned right out of a hot shower and massaged the injection site. The only thing I didn't try was cutting the prop with another oil...grapeseed or whatever.
I plan to start a sust(500mg ew x 12)/ tbol (60mg ed x 4/5 weeks) cycle next week...what am I in for? I'd like to get mentally prepared!
Thanks...
I plan to start a sust(500mg ew x 12)/ tbol (60mg ed x 4/5 weeks) cycle next week...what am I in for? I'd like to get mentally prepared!
Thanks...
T
tjbr
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I shot once a week (2cc/500mg all at once)for this cycle (second cycle). Third week and it's going great, no sides.
Last cycle, I shot 1cc Monday and 1cc Thursday (same 500mg total per week). It went great and I had no sides.
Last cycle, I shot 1cc Monday and 1cc Thursday (same 500mg total per week). It went great and I had no sides.
Post your own thread bro. This fucking thread is a year and a half old!
pay attention.
pay attention.
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