STOP taking so much protein!!!

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[OXANDRIN]

20-30 grams of protien every 3 hours is 120g-180g over 6 meals

 

[ironcowboy]

I have tried the high protein (400g or 2g/lb/day) diet and have not found my gains to be any greater than on half of that or about 200g/day. I have done this for periods of roughly 2 months which is about as long as I can stand it. For me, it’s a hassle and a waste of money. Since doubling my protein didn't provide any apparent benefit, I'm not going to do it. Besides, if an average person needs roughly 0.5g/lb/day then doubling that seems more than sufficient to me. When something is uncertain my approach is moderation and reasonableness. I'm glad to see in this thread that some others agree.

Some people may benefit from mega-protein but I don't. Perhaps it's because I don't try to get as big as possible but to maintain a lean 200lb body that is agile and can run, ski, backpack, etc. To me, bodybuilding is about my ideal of peak fitness and optimum muscularity not volume of muscularity.

Anyway, I’m definitely into efficiency and MS's idea of protein cycling sounds interesting. I’ll try something like Mon-Th of 200g/day and Fri-Sun of 100g/day, more or less. Thanks for the idea MS.

 

[MrRTTB]

Many people claim they started gaining when they upped on the protein intake. I think this was with the fact that the protein increases total calorieintake that day = more weight gained.

I eat a lot of protein, not because I think I will gain more muscle, but I just love meat, chicken and fish. I love big steaks and can eat 3-4 chickenbreasts per meal just because I love them. I also feel I can eat more protein and still not gain fat.

I don't thik there is a "number" per lb that will make one grow more or less mass. It all depends on when you eat you protein, what kind of protein, and may other factors. If one eat every third hour I think people can eat 30-50g protein and the body will use it all. If you are awake and very active during the day, the protein per day number might go up to + 2g per lb.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

NClifter I love how you ignore the studies that were presented over and over again even though DC specifically replied to your post. Here is the post again that you completely ignored:





NClifter::yes they may have better gains with 500 grams of protien as apposed to 200 for the fact it is JUST MORE CALORIES.

Doggcrapp:: more calories? thats it? well hell why dont I make everyone I train awesome bodybuilders by taking in 200 grams of protein and downing bacon lard and 4 cups of olive oil a day. According to you thats all they would need to be bigger and stronger.

Nclifter::the FACT remains protien converts to glucose at a range of .9 --1.0 or so of grams per pound of lean body mass.

Doggcrapp:: please show me this magical study that you came across ok and I want to see it under brutally heavy training conditions, with time vs assimilation, pre and post training assimilation and I sure as hell want to see it done on incredibly hard training, heavy weight training bodybuilders and not cyclists, power walkers or worse yet the regular layperson. I already gave you 3 studies involving hard training weight lifters and for some reason you look right over them. It seems you are arguing this point because YOU are comfortable in taking in 200 grams of protien and noone wants to think what they are doing--might not be the most productive.

NClifter::your clients have gotten stronger because that is more calories

Doggcrapp:: do you truly believe calories make a person stronger? the people I train eat the same amount of calories everyone else does, they just eat more protien and less carbs. Excess calories that aren't used makes a person fat not stronger! I cannot believe you truly believe that statement.

Nclifter:ro bodybuilders like nasser and others REQUIRE MORE protien because they are on DRUGS which increase there protien synthesis. so for someone on juice this is a great idea

Doggcrapp:: then you better tell all the natural guys I train and all the elite heavyweight Natural bodybuilders out there like Skip Lacour etc that all they have to do is take in 200 grams of protien a day to become great bodybuilders (Believe me they will walk away mid sentence)

Nclifter::i know no one will listen to me because im not anywhere your size. . i dont care. but im stating a fact.

Doggcrapp:: size has nothing to do with your opinion or my opinion. Your stating facts as it pertains to what you like to do only. I showed three studies that you can look up yourself if you want. Ive been around the block enough times to know that the greatest and only anabolic a natural bodybuilder can use is protein in twice bodyweight amounts.

nclifter::yes johnny bodybuilder taking in 500 grams of protien and 600 carbs will be bigger than mikey tuffguy that takes in 200 grams of protien and 600 carbs because its just more calories

Doggcrapp:: you have my ratios way off---try high protein and lower carbs which comes out to the exact same calories if not slightly more calories than most other bodybuilders out there that are eating alot of carbs. If you think you can take a natural 170lb guy and make him a natural 250lb guy with 200 grams of protein and 3200 calories a day your badly mistaken. You keep stating calories calories--yet alot of the guys I train i keep lean by haveing them do treadmill work 3-5 times a week (along with that 400 plus grams of protein a day). Do you think the human body wants to be 3.5lbs to 4.0lbs of muscle? Hell no!!! Its always trying to reach a point of homeostasis. The only way you can make yourself a person of extreme muscle mass is by going to extremes with heavy training (demand), extreme protein intake(supply) and other factors.

NCLIfter::you just cant write out a diet regimen that works for a pro bodybuilders and the like who juice up. and expect the same results for a natural lifter without drugs to eat the same way and be able to utilize tons and tons of protien like a juicer does

Doggcrapp:: and you cant tell everyone that you have facts when its really something "you feel like doing" eating 200 grams of protein a day.
---eating 400 plus grams of protien is a chore and not easy to do. Your "facts" are going against everything science is telling us about heavy training weight athletes and what our elite heavyweight natural bodybuilders and powerlifters have been doing for years. Im training a slew of successfull natural bodybuilders presently and I'll stick with whats working. All you have to do is look around every gym in America at people eating in that comfort zone (150-250grams of protein) and seeing that they look the exact same year after year after year after year.

yes but there are more studies that contradict his.......anyways i dont buy into alot of the studies, alot are biased and are not carried out well

why dont you try it for yourself sinse you think doggcrapp is some diet expert

go ahead eat 400 grams, you will find that it is just a waste

 

[notpuff]

To be honest i feel both sides of the argument are being presented well. On one hand some people who have tried it says it did nothing others say it works wonders. I plan on trying 500 soon i do know is i spoken to someone on animals board who bumped up his protein from 300 to 500 and he gained 20 pounds in a month and he was natural . then over the course of 6 months he gained anopther 20 clean and he was on eca during this time. BUT for every guy who gains great some will gain none but thats not just for protein i mean there are people whp juice in the grams and still are 170 pounds.

One thing i do agree with is that in this case studys mean nothing as there are studies showing athletes who use super protein amoutns gaining great others showing minimal protein with good gains. Also studies in every fireld are easily manipulated i mean there are studies out there that say Steroids kill and will turn your children into transvestite cows so studies cant really apply in this case. One thiong i do know is DC is a big big boy who uses miniscule amounts of juice compared to allot of people on this board . he also got to 240 naturally which is allot bigge rthen allot of peiople juice or not . so this argument will never be truly solved as it is a case by cvase basis

 

[Debaser]

why dont you try it for yourself sinse you think doggcrapp is some diet expert

go ahead eat 400 grams, you will find that it is just a waste

You must be right, it's a waste. That's why I'm gaining 2-3 lbs a week naturally.

And, I'm not sure what qualifies someone as an "expert," but who do you think a trainee would trust:

a. nclifter's opinions (BTW he has yet to produce the study that dc asked for)

b. doggcrapp, who has put 50+ lbs on several people, many who thought they couldn't gain anymore.

 

[notpuff]

You must be right, it's a waste. That's why I'm gaining 2-3 lbs a week naturally.

And, I'm not sure what qualifies someone as an "expert," but who do you think a trainee would trust:

a. nclifter's opinions (BTW he has yet to produce the study that dc asked for)

b. doggcrapp, who has put 50+ lbs on several people, many who thought they couldn't gain anymore.

Well i stated before i have read peopel who it has worked wonders on and people who dont respond to it. Nobody can stake a universal claim to this because its a case by case basis.If he did eat the 500 gramd and it did do nothing for him then thats what happened to him and his opinion is just as valid as yours or other peoples. this is a dumb thing to argue because its a person to person basis no 2 people are the same , hey debasher id be extatic if i were you.

 

[slobberknocker]

My .02:


I train with 5 or 6 other powerlifters. None of them know jack shit about diet. Two bench over 500, one deadlifts just under 800, and 2 squat over 700. They all have 3 things in common:

1. They juice

2. They train HEAVY

3. They eat A LOT (I've seen them eat, it's unreal. But they only eat 3-4 times a day, and they don't count grams of anything. They just eat until they're full)

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[drveejay11]

To be honest i feel both sides of the argument are being presented well. On one hand some people who have tried it says it did nothing others say it works wonders. I plan on trying 500 soon i do know is i spoken to someone on animals board who bumped up his protein from 300 to 500 and he gained 20 pounds in a month and he was natural . then over the course of 6 months he gained anopther 20 clean and he was on eca during this time. BUT for every guy who gains great some will gain none but thats not just for protein i mean there are people whp juice in the grams and still are 170 pounds.

One thing i do agree with is that in this case studys mean nothing as there are studies showing athletes who use super protein amoutns gaining great others showing minimal protein with good gains. Also studies in every fireld are easily manipulated i mean there are studies out there that say Steroids kill and will turn your children into transvestite cows so studies cant really apply in this case. One thiong i do know is DC is a big big boy who uses miniscule amounts of juice compared to allot of people on this board . he also got to 240 naturally which is allot bigge rthen allot of peiople juice or not . so this argument will never be truly solved as it is a case by cvase basis

Well said Notpuff.....well said