STOP taking so much protein!!!

[hard as rocks]

im a true endomorph and carbs kill me.bulking or cutting i keep carbs low except my binge days lol.
always hight protein, never the same so i guess its more liike protein cycling.
usua;;y three days high two moderate and one day eat mostly carbs then start over lol
i thinkits more individual then anything.would also like too see some pics of the 200 gram protein people weighin in at 250plus, unless you at a truely high bodyfat.
i think the pholisphy is protein times you lean mass.
why add more too fat only too what truely muscle

 

[nandi12]

Here are my 2 cents worth from a thread at CEM:

I think this is a topic that could be argued indefinitely. Most of the experts say protein requirements are in this range for strength athletes:

"Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks." (1)

I get around 200 grams a day and do OK. The question always arises whether you need more on steroids. I don't know. One could make a case either way.

For instance, amino acid flux studies of people using steroids generally show lower rates of amino acids leaving cells, suggesting that the cells are recycling their proteins for muscle rebuilding more efficiently when a person is using steroids:

"We recently reported that 5 days of oxandrolone administration increased skeletal muscle anabolism by stimulation of protein synthesis, because protein breakdown was unchanged (15). Also, we reported a significant decrease in outward amino acid transport (FV,M), along with a calculated increase in protein synthetic efficiency, together indicating increased intracellular reutilization of amino acid"

This would argue for lower protein intake while juicing.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/2/E273

Torsten, an MD at our site has presented compelling studies showing that a high protein diet actually leads to a catabolic state by inducing low grade metabolic acidosis. (Amino acids are acidic, after all.) The acidosis elevates cortisol levels leading to muscle catabolism. The low pH degrades bones, and the calcium is deposited as kidney stones. Unless a person undertakes a serious buffering regimen (potassium citrate is best according to studies presented by Dr. Torsten) the acidosis will be a serious impediment to gains.



(1) Int J Sport Nutr 1991 Jun;1(2):127-45
Protein and amino acid needs of the strength athlete.
Lemon PW.
Applied Physiology Research Laboratory, Kent State University, OH 44242


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[sk*]

im a true endomorph and carbs kill me.bulking or cutting i keep carbs low except my binge days lol.
always hight protein, never the same so i guess its more liike protein cycling.
usua;;y three days high two moderate and one day eat mostly carbs then start over lol
i thinkits more individual then anything.would also like too see some pics of the 200 gram protein people weighin in at 250plus, unless you at a truely high bodyfat.
i think the pholisphy is protein times you lean mass.
why add more too fat only too what truely muscle

My picture isn't really the point, the point is that I keep getting stronger with a lesser protein intake.

-sk

 

[galaxy]

Definately carbs play a huge factor in adding size. I dont think adding 40g of protein with no calories will help put on weight like adding 10g of protein and 750 calories will. Granted, only use this principle if juicing, so carbs will be utilized properly...........galaxy

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

How much Protein would you recommend for someone 6'4" 255-260lbs 18%bf trying to lose bodyfat while dieting NATURALLY? Would 1 gram per pound of bodyweight be sufficient in retaining muscle mass???

 

[Debaser]

At least 2x BW in grams of protein a day. I'm eating about 400-500 g of protein a day, moderate carbs (cut off after 6PM or so)and fats, and I'm gaining 2-3 lbs a WEEK NATURAL! I'm following DC's training pretty much to a T, which by the way the post I made about it is now a sticky on the training board with over 300 posts, you guys should check it out and possibly reevaluate your training and eating.

 

[Texas Ranger]

500 grams naural is ALOT!! Whew!!!

 

[Jxaxsxe530]

even when i was making outrageous gains, i was never over 200g of protein a day and i'm only 170 lbs. body builder say take 1.5-2.0 g of protein per body pound, yet every study has shown that all you need is just under 1g protein per body pound.

 

[Debaser]

Every study eh? nclifter said something like this and DC replied...

NCLIFTER::- the only fault i see with your thinking is your suggestion on protien consumption
you suggest 400+ grams a day in protien, correct? do you suggest this same amount for natural athletes aswell?
i dont see your logic in that. anything over .9-1.0 grams of protien per pound of lean bodymass just gets converted into glucose or a carbohydrate. that has been proven
id like to hear your thoughts on that.

Doggcrapp:: your generalizing that a 330lb offseason monster like Nasser El Sonbaty or Markus Ruhl assimilate protein at the same rate as a 105lb fitness model.
I posted about this subject on another board--Ill just copy what I wrote there. There is evidence (see papers by Peter Lemon) that intense activity may increase protein requirements in order to maintain a positive nitrogen balance and avoid the loss of lean muscle tissue. The most recent requirements for athletes in intensive training (a term which requires definition as it may be that some threshold may exist for when additional protein above the RDA of .8 g/kg bodyweight is required) are: Strength athletes: 1.8 g/kg bodyweight and I've seen up to 2g/kg suggested as possible more effective. Dr Peter Lemon has been at this for over a decade now and his g/kg bodyweight figure is constantly going upwards. Data from Tarnpolosky with European athletes shows that massive protein intakes of up to 3.5 g/kg further increase lean mass gains. In the early 1970’s, a study of weightlifters showed that these athletes needed at least 2.2 gr/kg. Two decades later Russian research demonstrated better muscle increases with 4.2 gr/kg.

Tarnpolosky trained with natural and sauced athletes and noted that every athlete was gaining at advanced rates from the higher figures than the lower 1.8 or so---Dehydration is the main culprit people must watch out for on high protein diets but anyone who is a bodybuilder who is drinking less than a gallon a day is cheating himself already

 

[Shinobi]

I've been following a diet of 28% protein, 12% fat and 60% of carbs and Im feeling VERY pumped, ripped and a feeling of well being. I always switch to low carb diet once in a while and I can tell that low carb diet make me feel lazy, ok I get more cut but somedays I feel like shit! My diet has milk, bread, cottage cheese, fruits, pasta, rice, black beans, all kind of meats, oatmeal and whey. I feel great eating carbs from all the sources! Everytime I start a more balanced diet I wake up much fresher and my morning cardio session on an empty stomach are much better!