Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[dabuffguy]

I typically agree with Nelly, but not on this. At all.

I wouldn't have gained 30lbs on my first cycle and kept 25 of it off of primo and var. I dont disagree that its a good idea to test the waters tho. The people that aren't afraid, or a little less conservative than you, would like to take full advantage of that first cycle.

My first cycle was 400mg/test e and 25mg/dbol. The only side effect I had was bloat. I'll take my bloat and 25lbs over primo and var any day. Not to mention the $500 that I'll save.

Either way, typically no matter what the compound, when on cycle our natural test production shuts down. This includes dbol and primo. There are different degrees, but shut down is shut down. So if I'm gonna shut myself down and be stupid enough to take steroids...i think i'll do everything i can to take full advantage. And dont say I'm being unhealthy, i get bloodwork done and am im perfect health.



Shame on you Nelly. You should know that Trenbolone is ATLEAST 2-3 times more androgenic than testosterone.

So no, test definanttly ISN'T the most androgenic nor suppressive.

Damn Nelly, i think you're just trying to stir the shit with this one man.

We need you around more bro. I always love reading your posts.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

We need you around more bro. I always love reading your posts.

^^^
Smart bro up in the house

 

[the_alcatraz]

I typically agree with Nelly, but not on this. At all.

I wouldn't have gained 30lbs on my first cycle and kept 25 of it off of primo and var. I dont disagree that its a good idea to test the waters tho. The people that aren't afraid, or a little less conservative than you, would like to take full advantage of that first cycle.

My first cycle was 400mg/test e and 25mg/dbol. The only side effect I had was bloat. I'll take my bloat and 25lbs over primo and var any day. Not to mention the $500 that I'll save.

Either way, typically no matter what the compound, when on cycle our natural test production shuts down. This includes dbol and primo. There are different degrees, but shut down is shut down. So if I'm gonna shut myself down and be stupid enough to take steroids...i think i'll do everything i can to take full advantage. And dont say I'm being unhealthy, i get bloodwork done and am im perfect health.



Shame on you Nelly. You should know that Trenbolone is ATLEAST 2-3 times more androgenic than testosterone.

So no, test definanttly ISN'T the most androgenic nor suppressive.

Damn Nelly, i think you're just trying to stir the shit with this one man.

Good post.

 

[boychimalochi]

Yes. I know this is an unpopular stance but I maintain that a test only cycle is the WORST thing someone can do for a first cycle.

The reason is that test is what our body makes. It doesn't ake Primo or tren or deca. Give it test and it;'ll make less. People thinkother compounds are more suppressive. NOTHING is more suppressive than test! There are , however, things that will kill libido.

Tren and Deca raise prolactin and progesterone. That's the killer. They don't shut down the HPTA more than test.

And even dumber is when people suggest using test along with these compounds as some sort of responsible remedy. IT"S JUST ANOTHER SUPPRESSIVE COMPOUND!!! It will mask the problems but it still supresses.

I still think the best first cycle is a short low dose one -- to test the waters. I rmember when doing a couple of dbol was a major thrill. And we got results! Today, that isn;t enough , even if you're 150 pounds and haven't begun to tap your full potential.

Start slow. Use Primo or var or a little dbol. You can always add more and more test as you go along.

I agree on Nelsons principle.

I think most people have take it way out of context, Nelson is putting forward a principle, its easy to break down each sentence and compare or criticize asking for proof. I believe the point of his statement was to make newbies doing a first cycle aware that a test cycle to start is not the only way, as popular as it is on this site. That there are other compounds that are easier on the body and in this case the HPTA. The reasoning being that you start small and comfortable and work your way up. A way of testing the waters.

He is trying to reason with people new to the game. I believe that it is our responsebility to help newbies. I am sure most here agree that a high test dbol run is fantastic, but is it good for people starting out? Not everyone here is looking for the same things, there are teenagers on here, 40-50 year old's, serious bodybuilders, sportsmen ect all looking for different things. Would it not be best to have a safety first attitude?

 

[the_alcatraz]

I agree on Nelsons principle.

I think most people have take it way out of context, Nelson is putting forward a principle, its easy to break down each sentence and compare or criticize asking for proof. I believe the point of his statement was to make newbies doing a first cycle aware that a test cycle to start is not the only way, as popular as it is on this site. That there are other compounds that are easier on the body and in this case the HPTA. The reasoning being that you start small and comfortable and work your way up. A way of testing the waters.

He is trying to reason with people new to the game. I believe that it is our responsebility to help newbies. I am sure most here agree that a high test dbol run is fantastic, but is it good for people starting out? Not everyone here is looking for the same things, there are teenagers on here, 40-50 year old's, serious bodybuilders, sportsmen ect all looking for different things. Would it not be best to have a safety first attitude?

I fail to understand how something like "Stop giving test advice to noobs" can be interpreted in any other way.

 

[J. Adams]

I agree on Nelsons principle.


He is trying to reason with people new to the game. I believe that it is our responsebility to help newbies. I am sure most here agree that a high test dbol run is fantastic, but is it good for people starting out? QUOTE]


The answer is an unqualified yes. Test/dball have sides that can easily be controlled at low dosages. And they are also highly ulikely to be faked (As they are so cheap)

 

[Mr. dB]

Not everyone here is looking for the same things, there are teenagers on here, 40-50 year old's, serious bodybuilders, sportsmen ect all looking for different things. Would it not be best to have a safety first attitude?

Teenagers should just say no.

 

[needtogetaas]

Teenagers should just say no.

yes.

 

[layinback]

i see nothing wrong with a test first cycle. testosterone cyp or enanthate @ 250 - 300 mg's for 10 weeks.

i could make a strong argument for this but it's already been made.

i like K.I.S.S. ( keep it simple stupid )

 

[the_alcatraz]

i see nothing wrong with a test first cycle. testosterone cyp or enanthate @ 250 - 300 mg's for 10 weeks.

i could make a strong argument for this but it's already been made.

i like K.I.S.S. ( keep it simple stupid )

I agree like I justified 50 times in this thread.

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