Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Can any advise me on what, when and how much to take in order to improve, I have no experience in steroids and I have a 5 month window in the off season to use where I will not be dope tested .I will be training for 30-35 hrs a week, weigh 130lb and 5%body fat and 5,7ft tall. ,can anyone advise me on any steroids or blood boosters and where to get them,
Steroids for endurance training (bicycling)
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Can any advise me on what, when and how much to take in order to improve, I have no experience in steroids and I have a 5 month window in the off season to use where I will not be dope tested .I will be training for 30-35 hrs a week, weigh 130lb and 5%body fat and 5,7ft tall. ,can anyone advise me on any steroids or blood boosters and where to get them,
LiquidPhire
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Lance, read the fucken rules - no asking for sources and do some research on your own FIRST!
RADAR
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Yep! EQ is for endurance,also increases red blood cell count,throw in some t bol for a burst of energy there you have it.
remember EQ needs to ran a minimum of 14 weeks,
Remember EQ can be detected up to 5 months.
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Piper25
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eq is great for increasing red blood cells but it is also in the body as long as deca due to it's long estered chain(8-12 months)
I have heard rumours of low dose GH being effective. If yo are being tested I would not be screwing around unless you know a good clear chemists who can make a personal protocol for you or someone from China who runs a gene transcription clinic.
I have heard rumours of low dose GH being effective. If yo are being tested I would not be screwing around unless you know a good clear chemists who can make a personal protocol for you or someone from China who runs a gene transcription clinic.
Mystery da Pick Up Artist
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RADAR
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Do not ask where to get them again,this is a discussion board,not a source board,i'll let this one slide.
Lance Armstrong Used HGH i read his journal he ran it as advised by his doc and there was a definete improvement.
RADAR
Big_Joe
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Lance Armstrong had cancer also. Having had cancer I find it amazing that he is still riding.
Testprop is good and the last 3 weeks before testing you skip to test suspension.
Winny is also good ; detectiontime : inject : 2 months and oral 3 weeks
On season when you get tested you can still use HGH(2 ui ED) and igf-1(40mcg ed after workout or race) because there's no test for it.
Why not using EPO?If you only get tested on season then you can get your crit to 50 and then stop using 3 weeks before the first race.The effect last for 3 months.
Do you get tested only on races or also other times?
Winny is also good ; detectiontime : inject : 2 months and oral 3 weeks
On season when you get tested you can still use HGH(2 ui ED) and igf-1(40mcg ed after workout or race) because there's no test for it.
Why not using EPO?If you only get tested on season then you can get your crit to 50 and then stop using 3 weeks before the first race.The effect last for 3 months.
Do you get tested only on races or also other times?
Hey Eddy,
You seem to know a lot of this stuf.
but if you go on test suspension when you down't want to geth caught how much should you take? for a cyclist ?
And if you have to race every week you can take suspension the entire season on low dose?
When you take epo you should always check your crit and go to a doctor or is it possible to controle it yourself wit some medical device or by looking to the blood pressure?
You seem to know a lot of this stuf.
but if you go on test suspension when you down't want to geth caught how much should you take? for a cyclist ?
And if you have to race every week you can take suspension the entire season on low dose?
When you take epo you should always check your crit and go to a doctor or is it possible to controle it yourself wit some medical device or by looking to the blood pressure?
Best thing I have ever used for endurance is GW-50 SARMs.
People use it a lot to burn fat but its also great for just endurance in general.
Lots of our board sponsors carry it. I always get my SARMs from Sarmssearch - best quality and purity around.
RADAR
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I agree on Sarms Search the purest bang for your buck.
elite7777
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Bro, I don't think Eddy is around anymore. An GW501516 cycle and Albuterol dosed before training and racing are good for endurance. Albut is detectable and GW may or may not be detectable depending at what level you race and what lab is doing the testing. I wouldn't recommend running test all season long. Use test only after hard training days and use topical test cream as it is not usually detectable after 12 or so hours. EPO is death in a bottle unless you are under a Doc's supervision. As you probably know it can raise you Hematocrit level so high that your blood will have trouble flowing and that makes death come quickly. With that said, i would only do micro doses of EPO as they are less detectable.
Cheers ~
rustilldown
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Look into peptide tb500 as well
truckdaddy
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GW50 from Sarms Search bro.
Blissfam10
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Lance?
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UA_Iron
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5'7 130lbs... lol
We always ask everyone for their stats, and if this bro wasn't a bicyclist everyone would laugh and tell him to eat more.
No disrespect to the sport, or your figure, just sayin'
We always ask everyone for their stats, and if this bro wasn't a bicyclist everyone would laugh and tell him to eat more.
No disrespect to the sport, or your figure, just sayin'
downey
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Alright, I have had enough of all this bad advice for endurance atheletes, so this is the deal, blast all you want. However if your running or biking even to a certain extent swimming your goals should be the following in the proper order. RECOVERY, so you can train more; BUILD LEAN MUSCLE, but lose more fat; therefore stay at the same body weight but getting stronger. Lastly but important, however the third most important, increase your LT/Vo2/FTP max through increased Hgb/RBC. Everyone thinks "take EPO and you'll be a champ." Wrong. EPO is the icing on the cake but far from the cake itslelf.
I have been a pro-semi pro and now a national level coach since the 80's. I still compete in 30 odd races a year, all year in cycling upto and incuding MTB, Road, Track and Cross. I'll do tri's and some shorter runs for the fun of it locally.
For your best bang for the buck and to prevent testing positive, your bag should contain the following: Clen/Albuterol, Test P, EPO and if you can afford HGH.
For endurance Test P cycles, why??? Short ester that leaves your system fast and gives you a return on your investment quickly. If you don't like pins, then don't do drugs, its that simple, so figure it out or FO becasue your clearly not a serious cheat, which is fine, good on ya!
You should not use more than 150 per week tops - 100 is perfect every week and shoot subq. YES SUBQ through a slin pin 4 times per week at 25units per (assuming your Test P is 100 per 100ml). Run this all season if you like and or cherry pick for your peaks. If your hitting the spring season kick in mid Jan and run till late March and so on. 10-12 weeks is fine, shorter and or longer is fine also. With this sides will be basically nonexistent and water and estro, very low if at all. You'll train and sleep better, thus hit it harder. You'll need all 4-5 of your PCT supplies on hand. Do your research on this, however you really won't need much if anything. Liquid Ardex is a good "just in case" to have on hand as well as your clomid, nova, letro, Hcg, etc. If you want to do more than 100 per week, you really need to understand your estro and PCT options well in advance cuz water will hinder you and you'll be better off without your AS if you don't get how to cycle off or get into a pinch and need to deal with an estro issue.
Clen/Albut/Salbut/Ventolin: great stuff use for 2 weeks at a time then break for 2 weeks then continue, this will help you train (breath and lose fat, as well as muscle so be careful and do your reading). Don't race on this stuff unless your experienced, use coffee if you need a boost race day. If tested your out for 2 years unless you have a script. Clen will raise BP, so be sure you have a home BP monitor. Check every other day while on cycle. If your over 144/68 or so, your done taking these.
If you want to run orals on this you can, however light, 10-20mg of Var, or you could use Primo or Winny too, one pill morning, one evening. You should not feel your joints or your cramping at this dose, if you do, stop.
Master, good also. However you'll test positive so stay away as this stays in your system way too long. With Test P and orals you can stop your shots/pills 3-4 days prior and piss clean. If you can afford Adrioli or test gels, go for it. Rub the gels on your feet or nuts. Gels are good, but hide from your trainning mates as they want some too.
HGH: take this all year if you can afford and or during the holiday season to control fat and weight gain. At 2-3iu per day you will stay very close to your race weight and thus kick start your early season and as a result have more power to weight ratio's than your fatter trainning buddies. If you can afford more, go for it. Take a 2-3iu shot 1 time per day then 4-6 weeks from a race up your dose to 2.5 per shot twice a day and if your really going for it, up to 8iu per day shot at 4iu twice or even better 3 times. Do your reading on this, but it works however you got to be on top of it and stick with the program.
Now, for the kicker: EPO. EPO is not dangerous if you understand how to take it. You will need a home Hgb tester and a good one, spend at least $1000. Prior to starting get your Hgb tested from a lab. For most healthy people, runnning the average Hgb of around 144-148 you can take no more than 40,000 iu over 6 weeks then stop. Shoot subq at 2-3000iu per injection, that will send your crit to around the 50-51 level so high 167-173Hgb range. This is plenty for racing and will give you a 5-11% gain on the wheel beside you.
Run this for 6 weeks, stop taking 1 week prior to your event to leave your system. Stay away from super EPO like CERA, stays in your system forever (well upto 6 weeks). Everyone is different however this is a good safe base for a healthy person eating well and trainning 12 hours plus per week, if less, use less. Use your Hgb tester every other day and stop when you get two readings of over 170 Hgb. At this point your system is ready to train hard and race. Remember, the most important factor of taking PEDs. It is better to train on them, then to race on them.
EQ, all good but you will want to eat everything in the fridge and get fat, this is bad, remember every 10lbs is an extra 15 watts per second you need to generate. If your doing an all out sprint, there is your win and or could be yards on a long climb or gettting dropped in a break.
As for vits and other supplements, go for it. However a good multivitamin with 15mg of iron is usually good. Take with food and twice a day if you feel you need it mentally. Take your liver support with your orals other than Andrioli, regardless Milk T. is fine anytime although a bit expensive. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck with the season.
I have been a pro-semi pro and now a national level coach since the 80's. I still compete in 30 odd races a year, all year in cycling upto and incuding MTB, Road, Track and Cross. I'll do tri's and some shorter runs for the fun of it locally.
For your best bang for the buck and to prevent testing positive, your bag should contain the following: Clen/Albuterol, Test P, EPO and if you can afford HGH.
For endurance Test P cycles, why??? Short ester that leaves your system fast and gives you a return on your investment quickly. If you don't like pins, then don't do drugs, its that simple, so figure it out or FO becasue your clearly not a serious cheat, which is fine, good on ya!
You should not use more than 150 per week tops - 100 is perfect every week and shoot subq. YES SUBQ through a slin pin 4 times per week at 25units per (assuming your Test P is 100 per 100ml). Run this all season if you like and or cherry pick for your peaks. If your hitting the spring season kick in mid Jan and run till late March and so on. 10-12 weeks is fine, shorter and or longer is fine also. With this sides will be basically nonexistent and water and estro, very low if at all. You'll train and sleep better, thus hit it harder. You'll need all 4-5 of your PCT supplies on hand. Do your research on this, however you really won't need much if anything. Liquid Ardex is a good "just in case" to have on hand as well as your clomid, nova, letro, Hcg, etc. If you want to do more than 100 per week, you really need to understand your estro and PCT options well in advance cuz water will hinder you and you'll be better off without your AS if you don't get how to cycle off or get into a pinch and need to deal with an estro issue.
Clen/Albut/Salbut/Ventolin: great stuff use for 2 weeks at a time then break for 2 weeks then continue, this will help you train (breath and lose fat, as well as muscle so be careful and do your reading). Don't race on this stuff unless your experienced, use coffee if you need a boost race day. If tested your out for 2 years unless you have a script. Clen will raise BP, so be sure you have a home BP monitor. Check every other day while on cycle. If your over 144/68 or so, your done taking these.
If you want to run orals on this you can, however light, 10-20mg of Var, or you could use Primo or Winny too, one pill morning, one evening. You should not feel your joints or your cramping at this dose, if you do, stop.
Master, good also. However you'll test positive so stay away as this stays in your system way too long. With Test P and orals you can stop your shots/pills 3-4 days prior and piss clean. If you can afford Adrioli or test gels, go for it. Rub the gels on your feet or nuts. Gels are good, but hide from your trainning mates as they want some too.
HGH: take this all year if you can afford and or during the holiday season to control fat and weight gain. At 2-3iu per day you will stay very close to your race weight and thus kick start your early season and as a result have more power to weight ratio's than your fatter trainning buddies. If you can afford more, go for it. Take a 2-3iu shot 1 time per day then 4-6 weeks from a race up your dose to 2.5 per shot twice a day and if your really going for it, up to 8iu per day shot at 4iu twice or even better 3 times. Do your reading on this, but it works however you got to be on top of it and stick with the program.
Now, for the kicker: EPO. EPO is not dangerous if you understand how to take it. You will need a home Hgb tester and a good one, spend at least $1000. Prior to starting get your Hgb tested from a lab. For most healthy people, runnning the average Hgb of around 144-148 you can take no more than 40,000 iu over 6 weeks then stop. Shoot subq at 2-3000iu per injection, that will send your crit to around the 50-51 level so high 167-173Hgb range. This is plenty for racing and will give you a 5-11% gain on the wheel beside you.
Run this for 6 weeks, stop taking 1 week prior to your event to leave your system. Stay away from super EPO like CERA, stays in your system forever (well upto 6 weeks). Everyone is different however this is a good safe base for a healthy person eating well and trainning 12 hours plus per week, if less, use less. Use your Hgb tester every other day and stop when you get two readings of over 170 Hgb. At this point your system is ready to train hard and race. Remember, the most important factor of taking PEDs. It is better to train on them, then to race on them.
EQ, all good but you will want to eat everything in the fridge and get fat, this is bad, remember every 10lbs is an extra 15 watts per second you need to generate. If your doing an all out sprint, there is your win and or could be yards on a long climb or gettting dropped in a break.
As for vits and other supplements, go for it. However a good multivitamin with 15mg of iron is usually good. Take with food and twice a day if you feel you need it mentally. Take your liver support with your orals other than Andrioli, regardless Milk T. is fine anytime although a bit expensive. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck with the season.
downey
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AICAR, is fine if you don't have the time to train for longer events say 70-90 + miles. However it is very, very, very expensive from the sources I have seen. You would need to shoot 350-550 mg for 3-4 weeks or longer before an event. All other SARMS, I have very little experience with however they are all clasified as banned. If your carrying a UCI/State racing license and are tested your busted for 2 seasons, plus all your buddies will laugh and snicker at you. What was your dose of GW and Osta looking like? and how did you take it? Where you taking this for a race or an event you wanted to compete in? This would be very interesting for some of the older racers that we coach, many of which have scripts for HRT and or are doctors themselves so can write up exemptions for non UCI events.
Wow - this is a badass post.
This may be (and probably is) a stupid question, but is it safe to assume this same advice would apply to runners?
downey
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This will work for runners too, however stay away from the winny and or use very low dosages. The GH will be your fist to run and recover also with joint and little muscle tears/ light injuries. I find GH to really help runners with their constant aches and pains and recovery. I have read on here and elsewhere that GH is tuf on the joints and causes cramping/ T syndrome, however none of my clients have ever reported it. Look into a Tens/EMS machine if you already don't have one. This are okay and convenient if you dont get a rub down a couple of times a week during season.
downey
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You need to do your research, however yes a dose of 2iu to start per day 5 X per week will help although at this rate you'll be on a 50 day course and you'll need 2 kits to really feel the difference. If you get injured, you'll need to up your dose to 3-5iu per day till recovery. If money is an option your best bet is still taking 100-150mg of Test P per day as it is very inexpensive compared to the other compounds and will do you much better than a kit or two of Growth Hormone powder. I have rested runners that at this dose shave as much as 90 seconds of their 3.1 mile run. Not bad for 4-6 weeks of Prop. I have also seen altheletes lose iron man qualifiers for less than this too. It is my experience that all PEDs should be taken after you have had at least 3 years experience racing at your highest level. However I would need all your stats to understand what may even be a good program. If money is an issue then eat right, stretch 2-3 times per day, train with your HR monitor and stop watch and sleep.
dwkestrel1
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At any tested NRC event, you would light up like a Xmas tree! If you are pack fill on the other hand or want to crush your Cat 3 race, why bother? If you have these kind of resources I would stick to blood bags in season and Test in the off-season only unless you are on the year-long testing list.
I'm not planning on competing on that level, at least not yet. It is something I'm doing hand in hand with my LGN (Look Good Naked) plan and have developed an interest in. I am about to start a SARMs cycle this weekend and after that and the subsequent mini-PCT am already planning ot run a TestP/MastP/Var cycle. Goal is to continue cutting bodyfat and adding small amounts of lean muscle while continuing to train for running.
downey
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LOL dwestral1. Your obviously a CAT 1 or higher I assume. Nothing wrong with pack fill or blood bags, however not sure what kind of a boost you'd get at the local Wednesday crit with an extra pint of blood in you. Then again if your going to crash in crits anyway the extra pint of blood would be helpful prior to getting to the hospital. Again for testing with these PEDs short ester, GH, and 3-4 days of no juice prior your good to go and will pass all your piss tests. If your poping clen - make sure you run your rest of the two week cycles prior to your event. I have had riders in my program who have claimed no clen for 7 days and pissed positive, then again they where all full of it.
If your looking to LGN, go the T3 and Clen route with your dope or skip the mast and var and hit the growth hormone powder. At 2-3iu per day, Clen and T3, I have seen user lose upto 1-2lbs per day with a moderate diet and a winter trainning program (1-2 hours 5 times per week). I once had a client burn 17lbs in two weeks on this, his buddies did not recognize him. I do not recommend this however LMFAO as your burning into your muscle with the T3 and not really doing much for your BP.
If your looking to LGN, go the T3 and Clen route with your dope or skip the mast and var and hit the growth hormone powder. At 2-3iu per day, Clen and T3, I have seen user lose upto 1-2lbs per day with a moderate diet and a winter trainning program (1-2 hours 5 times per week). I once had a client burn 17lbs in two weeks on this, his buddies did not recognize him. I do not recommend this however LMFAO as your burning into your muscle with the T3 and not really doing much for your BP.
I don't want to mess with Clen - too many fucked up side effects. I'm adding Albuterol to the SARMs stack - that combination has quite a few fans here who have had great success maintaining or even adding lean mass while continuing to burn fat. Excited to start it this Sunday.
Don't want T3 as I don't want to lose any lean mass. I'm never going to (or want to) have the build of a typical endurance runner as I don't think I've seen many "runners" with 17.5+" arms. But I don't want to be a true mass monster either. Lean and muscular. I'm 6', 190-195 and about 11-12% bodyfat (as measured by BodPod). Goal is to get to 195-200 and 8% over the course of the next 6-12 months while continuing to get into the trail running.
Definitely interested in the HGH and may look to go that route depending on finances. Something like 2-3/day sounds like it would be pretty much ideal for all of my goals. Assuming I can work it out financially, would that work in conjunction with the Test/Mast/Var? Or would it be better to start after that cycle?
Don't want T3 as I don't want to lose any lean mass. I'm never going to (or want to) have the build of a typical endurance runner as I don't think I've seen many "runners" with 17.5+" arms. But I don't want to be a true mass monster either. Lean and muscular. I'm 6', 190-195 and about 11-12% bodyfat (as measured by BodPod). Goal is to get to 195-200 and 8% over the course of the next 6-12 months while continuing to get into the trail running.
Definitely interested in the HGH and may look to go that route depending on finances. Something like 2-3/day sounds like it would be pretty much ideal for all of my goals. Assuming I can work it out financially, would that work in conjunction with the Test/Mast/Var? Or would it be better to start after that cycle?
elite7777
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notjake, what does your SARMs stack look like? Are you running GW501516 with it. I have had good increased endurance and faster recovery results with GW and have run it for 3 months starting from 5mg PD and upping to 15mg PD. I also add in some Test gel (Androgel) for the really hard training blocks. I will be starting a 2 month long GW and Osta stack in a few weeks. I will also be adding some Albut before longer endurance workouts.
I'm doing the full triple stack per Dylan's recommendation (Osta 25, S4 50 and GW 20), with the S4 and GW both split into two doses. Started the Osta during PCT from my var/prov cycle and have been on it almost four weeks now (PCT ends Saturday and Sarms start Sunday). Dylan recommended holding off on adding Albuterol until week 3 of the 8 week SARMs cycle and running that through the last six weeks.
The SARMs stack is a bridge between cycles, so I can't/won't run any test or other AAS during it - saving that for afterwards.
The SARMs stack is a bridge between cycles, so I can't/won't run any test or other AAS during it - saving that for afterwards.
I love the triple stack - looking forward to running my Sarmssearch triple stack again soon
keep us updated! try to run a log or something .
It's up in Bodybuilding Supplements as a Test Infusion log.
downey
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Fellow endurance racers. Just wanted to check in and see how everyone's pre season trainning was coming along. Doing my first FTP in a while tomorrow outside while on the following pre season cycle:
100-150mg of Test P/ about 30mg shot every other day.
Total 25,000 IU of EPO/ HgB at around 16.0 - up from 14.4 in late January, feeling much strong in late Feb and March on this stack and doing some real damage to trainning buddies that started the winter season much fitter than I.
Doing some Clen/Albuterol - nothing really for me I take a pill and half per day - about 30mg per day for 3-5 days and I lose about 2-3lbs in fat.
How the tables turn on them lol. So now the outdoor miles begin and logging the adventure starts. The Test Prop and EPO make me feel so good I am not looking forward to my PCT, however all good things come to an end.
Let me know how your cycles are coming, I know alot of you are doing some of the new age products and peps on the market and on these boards so I am very interested in learning more.
100-150mg of Test P/ about 30mg shot every other day.
Total 25,000 IU of EPO/ HgB at around 16.0 - up from 14.4 in late January, feeling much strong in late Feb and March on this stack and doing some real damage to trainning buddies that started the winter season much fitter than I.
Doing some Clen/Albuterol - nothing really for me I take a pill and half per day - about 30mg per day for 3-5 days and I lose about 2-3lbs in fat.
How the tables turn on them lol. So now the outdoor miles begin and logging the adventure starts. The Test Prop and EPO make me feel so good I am not looking forward to my PCT, however all good things come to an end.
Let me know how your cycles are coming, I know alot of you are doing some of the new age products and peps on the market and on these boards so I am very interested in learning more.
rustilldown
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I don't think we openly talk about EPO on here as it's quite dangerous but I could be wrong. As for something to consider, look into some tb500 as a peptide for endurance that stuff has really done wonders for my entire body from aches and pains/ joint healing and cardiovascular health.
Awesome info Downey!
I race XC in an open singlespeed class.
Right now i'm in the offseason. I have a few endurace races scheduled, but our xc season starts in September. I'm training 13-15 hours a week with around 8 hours of that commuting to work on a fixed gear road bike. I'd love to read more of your PED advice, so keep posting!
I race XC in an open singlespeed class.
Right now i'm in the offseason. I have a few endurace races scheduled, but our xc season starts in September. I'm training 13-15 hours a week with around 8 hours of that commuting to work on a fixed gear road bike. I'd love to read more of your PED advice, so keep posting!
downey
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Actually EPO is not dangerous if you have the correct tools to monitor and you use this in moderation. I really think it has a bad rap, however if you drink to much vodka you could die too. Should we not talk about booze on this board also? Again, you use this PED as you would anything other and only as a tool to improve your trainning and your overall performance. I would never recommend anyone take more than 40,000 iu in any given 6 week span at a max of 2-3 peaks per season. That alone will give the average joe a huge boost to performance.
Okay so the last FTP for my age was in the 4.0 watts per Kilo and this time around I am at 4.1 watts per kilo - same weight but with half the volume. That's good improvement, not great but very good nonetheless. The only difference between the 2 tests in terms of PEDS was dropping the GH and adding the Test Prop as my Hgb was lower this test than last by almost .10 g/dl so from about 16.0 down from 16.8. Although not a conclusive test, I can assume based on my experience that Test is a much more active agent for improving performance that GH is. Keep in mind this is my personal experience. Anyone else have anything else to share? Also adding the Test Prop from the GH I was able to add 1 more hard trainning effort per week and hit the objectives about 90% of the time. More good news for Test.
Okay so the last FTP for my age was in the 4.0 watts per Kilo and this time around I am at 4.1 watts per kilo - same weight but with half the volume. That's good improvement, not great but very good nonetheless. The only difference between the 2 tests in terms of PEDS was dropping the GH and adding the Test Prop as my Hgb was lower this test than last by almost .10 g/dl so from about 16.0 down from 16.8. Although not a conclusive test, I can assume based on my experience that Test is a much more active agent for improving performance that GH is. Keep in mind this is my personal experience. Anyone else have anything else to share? Also adding the Test Prop from the GH I was able to add 1 more hard trainning effort per week and hit the objectives about 90% of the time. More good news for Test.
wreckncrew
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Hey Downey, I am 4th week into my GW, osta,S4 and Albuterol and still have 4 more week to go, the result on my performance so far are very small and still have 4 more weeks to go. My question is after my Cycle I'm going to take a month of and when do you think I can start test pro, EQ and winny tabs? Or you think I should wait until the off season.
MrMotivate
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Lets get this post going again... its awesome!
Downey are you still around?? Or for anyone who knows, i am about to start this cycle:
Ok heres my 6 wk cycle breakdown I am about to begin in 2 weeks
Wk 1-6
Helladrol l 50/75/75/100/100/125
Katana 2 maybe 3 caps daily as recommended on package (will take Helladrol solo for first 2 wks and then begin to add in Katana at beginning of wk 3)
HCGenerate 5 caps daily as recommended on package
N2guard 7 caps daily as recommended on package
Liv52
PCT wk 7-10
test Infusion 3 caps 2X per day
Forged methyl EAA
Unleashed
Formastanozol Yep. 5 pumps am and 5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 3 pumps am and 3 pumps pm for 2 weeks.
Maybe…. OSTA (recommended)
Wk 11-16
Bridge
D spark
GW-50 stacked w/ Albuterol (EF people say they love this stack for endurance)
Now I know this is all legal stuff but concerning your standard urine military test.. would I come up clean at any time in this cycle since its all legal? or how long until all this is out of my system and I completely piss clean? I need to know for a military urine test... the more specific info the better.
Downey are you still around?? Or for anyone who knows, i am about to start this cycle:
Ok heres my 6 wk cycle breakdown I am about to begin in 2 weeks
Wk 1-6
Helladrol l 50/75/75/100/100/125
Katana 2 maybe 3 caps daily as recommended on package (will take Helladrol solo for first 2 wks and then begin to add in Katana at beginning of wk 3)
HCGenerate 5 caps daily as recommended on package
N2guard 7 caps daily as recommended on package
Liv52
PCT wk 7-10
test Infusion 3 caps 2X per day
Forged methyl EAA
Unleashed
Formastanozol Yep. 5 pumps am and 5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 3 pumps am and 3 pumps pm for 2 weeks.
Maybe…. OSTA (recommended)
Wk 11-16
Bridge
D spark
GW-50 stacked w/ Albuterol (EF people say they love this stack for endurance)
Now I know this is all legal stuff but concerning your standard urine military test.. would I come up clean at any time in this cycle since its all legal? or how long until all this is out of my system and I completely piss clean? I need to know for a military urine test... the more specific info the better.
There is a test for almost all types of SARMs now but they are very specific and most tests do not pick them up. Generally reserved for Olympic athletes and such.
Don't quote me, but I haven't heard that military tests test for it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's the only one that would cause any concern and since it isn't illegal I think youll be okay
I don't know what your age is, but if your only hitting 4.1 and you are on all that juice you might want to spend more time thinking about your actual bike workouts than peds.
Very interesting discussion in this thread.
Peparing for IM triathlons
I have some technical question the insulin pin what kind of gouge size do you use 25 29 or 30
Winni to be used in addition to Test P or seperate i.e. 12 w test p 3 w winni then PCT
Clen the 2 weeks on off cycle right up to the A event. Can I substitute Clen with Epfhe i.e. 2 w Clen 2w off 2w Ephe etc...
What is the best time to taper off with all the staff before my A event
Epo the whole year or only a specific period and if the later timing.
thanks for sharing your knowledge
Marco
Winny and clen for endurance? Not everyone has joint problems with winny, but a lot of people do. Not really something you'd want as a tri-athlete but that's your choice. The worst advice was clen. Clen is a horrible idea for someone who is keeping their heart rate up for that long
I'd opt for a sarms stack. You can greatly increase your endurance and fat loss with GW-50156 and build a few pounds of lean muscle with S4 and Ostarine. This is a perfect stack for endurance athletes. Check out Sarms1
Agreed completely. GW is incredible for endurance, and mixed with some Ostarine you get a very nice anabolic effect
winni for cycling is bad (for most) as your hips, knees, and ankles will actually feel like they are on fire (and you are doing damage)
everything listed is detectable so if you are subject to off-season testing better see a doc that specializes in these issues--you should be able to find one as anyone from Cat 2 on up and any Master's will know.
If you have a biocard and do not live and train at altitude the test prop (or any androgen) alone will put you over 50 haematocrit and thus DQ you from the start and probably trigger a full blown investigation.
The only trick you can use is an alter with multiple licenses (for off season/non team events/out of your geo area)--and if you end up high profile that goes out the window also. If you do, don't pay with the same credit card as someone I know did (idiot).
everything listed is detectable so if you are subject to off-season testing better see a doc that specializes in these issues--you should be able to find one as anyone from Cat 2 on up and any Master's will know.
If you have a biocard and do not live and train at altitude the test prop (or any androgen) alone will put you over 50 haematocrit and thus DQ you from the start and probably trigger a full blown investigation.
The only trick you can use is an alter with multiple licenses (for off season/non team events/out of your geo area)--and if you end up high profile that goes out the window also. If you do, don't pay with the same credit card as someone I know did (idiot).
MMAjake
New member
Don't use any pro hormone as no one really knows the detection time. Test suspension will cripple you with pain and therefore negatively effect performance. Would say eq but the detection time is 5 months. Ideal cycle would be test prop at 200 mg per week (eod injections) and as many others said EPO ! Make sure your monitoring you crit levels though. HGH is also good at 2ius a day, don't go above that. Anavar could be used at low doses for the recovery benefits, with good quality var I'd say go as low as 20-30 mg a day. Anavar will clear in 3 weeks.
Good luck bro
Good luck bro
Yea whoever told you to take winny and clen should be beaten. Winny will most likely be hard on your joints and clen is just a terrible compound to begin with. If you want an endurance chemical look into Albuterol instead - same style of effects but no enlarging of the cardiac muscles.
Like these guys said too, Sarms1 GW-50 is really all you'll need. Very potent and amazing for endurance. Literally built for endurance and anti-catabolism
srfskr
Good Broly
OP - please be aware that you are giving too much personal info onto a public forum. You are talking about substances that are banned by WTC and all sporting bodies affiliated to WADA. Please realise that doping authorities definitely follow these websites aiming to identify dopers. I suggest you'd register ASAP and post under a pseudonym.
