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Nelson Montana

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I wanted to address a few comments that are often mentioned but never debated.

Something that is often asked when someone is concocting a cycle is ; "What are your goals?" I never got this. The goal is to build muscle!!! What do you think he's going to say? If they have something specific like "I want 22" arms", what does it matter? People will get the result they get. The training and diet will do the most. There are no magical gear combinations that create different results. They're just different levels of results.

Of course, one may say, "well, there are bulking cycles and there are cutting cycles. "

NO THERE AREN'T.


Muscle growth is muscle growth. Bulking or cutting comes from calories ingested minus calories expended. Unless you're talking about water gain. Which leads us to the next stereotype...

Using drugs to lose water.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Jeezuschriss folks how hard is it to sweat and pee? Wear a sweat belt when you train. Drink lots of water. Use DEFINITION, the herbal diuretic. That's all you need to lose excess water within a day or two. But no, you'll still see guys recommneding nolvadexx which hinders gains, increases LDL and kills libido. That's like using a guillotine to cure a headache.

Here's another one -- what's the best stimulent?

Read the ingredients. They all contain similar stuff, usually caffeine. It isn't like any company has their own special form of caffeine. Go with the cheapest, or with one that's a sponser to support the site. When someone says they got jacked off of this and that it's all perception. Caffeine is caffeine. That's why ZIP is caffeine free. You can add it to anything.


And I would like this to be the last time it's mentioned but I'm sure it won't be. People MUST learn what drugs aromatize and which don't. An anti e is counterproductive to use with a drug that doesn't aromatize -- that includes Primmo, Winnee, E..Q. Anavarr and Proviron.

Also... DECCA SIDES ARE NOT ESTROGEN RELATED! You'd think after 20 years of repeating this it'd get through.

And one more thing. I know anti prolactins are all the rage but they are not safe and it's irresponsible to recommened them to somebody when you don;t even know if that's their problem. Besides, plain old ginsing is very good at combating prolactin.

We should all be a little more cautious and at least preface some suggestions with "MAYBE..."

That's it for now. I'm sure I'll think of more.
 
Fantastic post.

I am really as fond of the terms 'bulkers' and 'cutters' as much as I am fond of the word 'tone'.
 
Nelson......Can I marry you you would be great for my bodybuilding needs.......But thtas about it!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!! Good post Bro you out do yourself everytime. Thanks for being here and being solid!!!
 
Nelson! Quit pussy footing around, and candy coating your advice.....
give it to us straight! :lmao: Good stuff right there.
 
GUESS said:
Nelson......Can I marry you you would be great for my bodybuilding needs.......But thtas about it!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!! Good post Bro you out do yourself everytime. Thanks for being here and being solid!!!


Back off poptart, I saw him first! :chomp:

As for the needs thing........................as my bodybuilding needs have been provided for already
:qt:

LOL, couldn't resist
 
. That's like using a guillotine to cure a headache.
^^^^ hahah thats a classic line right there .. gotta love it
 
Nelson Montana said:
Something that is often asked when someone is concocting a cycle is ; "What are your goals?" I never got this. The goal is to build muscle!!! What do you think he's going to say?QUOTE]

Nelson knows way more than I in regards to performance enhancement issues however there are people who have different main goals.

Some want to increase endurance or speed(runner)or to gain lots of water for immediate benifit(lineman).
Anothers goal may be to not APPEAR to be On for work reasons thus less water retention.

In any case good post.

Sartan
 
Sartan said:
Nelson Montana said:
Something that is often asked when someone is concocting a cycle is ; "What are your goals?" I never got this. The goal is to build muscle!!! What do you think he's going to say?QUOTE]

Nelson knows way more than I in regards to performance enhancement issues however there are people who have different main goals.

Some want to increase endurance or speed(runner)or to gain lots of water for immediate benifit(lineman).
Anothers goal may be to not APPEAR to be On for work reasons thus less water retention.

In any case good post.

Sartan
Yes that was the only part I would have called into question. I feel that there
are types of aas for gaols. Lets say you are into a sport where you need good lungs. Well stay the hell away from tren then and eq might help with that. Maybe you are a fighter. You want to be as strong as you can be with as little added weight as you can get away with. Well maybe some var or some primo. Hell you just one to be one big strong ass mother fucker. Test/deca/dbol my friend. Other then that good thread as always bro.
 
im still kinda new here Nelson but i've read alot of your post and anything you say is gospel in my book. good info for those of us who are still learning.
 
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As far as the "cutting cycles" vs "bulking cycles" thing goes, I think the reason people divide the two is because some steroids are more prone to fat loss where as others aren't. Does this mean that you can't "cut" on dbol and deca? No. But, due to the water retention and appetite increase one gets from "bulking" drugs, its harder to cut on them.

Yes, you can "cut" on all steroids, but some are easier to cut on then others. That is why we refer to certain drugs as "cutters" and others "bulkers".

What this means is that if you apply equal effort in training, diet, and rest, on "bulking" drugs vs. "cutting" drugs, the cutting drugs will prove greater "cutting" results.
 
thnx Nelson....very well put!
 
Nelson Montana said:
I wanted to address a few comments that are often mentioned but never debated.

Something that is often asked when someone is concocting a cycle is ; "What are your goals?" I never got this. The goal is to build muscle!!! What do you think he's going to say? If they have something specific like "I want 22" arms", what does it matter? People will get the result they get. The training and diet will do the most. There are no magical gear combinations that create different results. They're just different levels of results.

Of course, one may say, "well, there are bulking cycles and there are cutting cycles. "

NO THERE AREN'T.


Muscle growth is muscle growth. Bulking or cutting comes from calories ingested minus calories expended. Unless you're talking about water gain. Which leads us to the next stereotype...

Using drugs to lose water.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Jeezuschriss folks how hard is it to sweat and pee? Wear a sweat belt when you train. Drink lots of water. Use DEFINITION, the herbal diuretic. That's all you need to lose excess water within a day or two. But no, you'll still see guys recommneding nolvadexx which hinders gains, increases LDL and kills libido. That's like using a guillotine to cure a headache.

Here's another one -- what's the best stimulent?

Read the ingredients. They all contain similar stuff, usually caffeine. It isn't like any company has their own special form of caffeine. Go with the cheapest, or with one that's a sponser to support the site. When someone says they got jacked off of this and that it's all perception. Caffeine is caffeine. That's why ZIP is caffeine free. You can add it to anything.


And I would like this to be the last time it's mentioned but I'm sure it won't be. People MUST learn what drugs aromatize and which don't. An anti e is counterproductive to use with a drug that doesn't aromatize -- that includes Primmo, Winnee, E..Q. Anavarr and Proviron.

Also... DECCA SIDES ARE NOT ESTROGEN RELATED! You'd think after 20 years of repeating this it'd get through.

And one more thing. I know anti prolactins are all the rage but they are not safe and it's irresponsible to recommened them to somebody when you don;t even know if that's their problem. Besides, plain old ginsing is very good at combating prolactin.

We should all be a little more cautious and at least preface some suggestions with "MAYBE..."

That's it for now. I'm sure I'll think of more.
goddamn that was awesome
 
Nelson Montana said:
I wanted to address a few comments that are often mentioned but never debated.

Something that is often asked when someone is concocting a cycle is ; "What are your goals?" I never got this. The goal is to build muscle!!! What do you think he's going to say? If they have something specific like "I want 22" arms", what does it matter? People will get the result they get. The training and diet will do the most. There are no magical gear combinations that create different results. They're just different levels of results.

Of course, one may say, "well, there are bulking cycles and there are cutting cycles. "

NO THERE AREN'T.


Muscle growth is muscle growth. Bulking or cutting comes from calories ingested minus calories expended. Unless you're talking about water gain. Which leads us to the next stereotype...

Using drugs to lose water.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Jeezuschriss folks how hard is it to sweat and pee? Wear a sweat belt when you train. Drink lots of water. Use DEFINITION, the herbal diuretic. That's all you need to lose excess water within a day or two. But no, you'll still see guys recommneding nolvadexx which hinders gains, increases LDL and kills libido. That's like using a guillotine to cure a headache.

Here's another one -- what's the best stimulent?

Read the ingredients. They all contain similar stuff, usually caffeine. It isn't like any company has their own special form of caffeine. Go with the cheapest, or with one that's a sponser to support the site. When someone says they got jacked off of this and that it's all perception. Caffeine is caffeine. That's why ZIP is caffeine free. You can add it to anything.


And I would like this to be the last time it's mentioned but I'm sure it won't be. People MUST learn what drugs aromatize and which don't. An anti e is counterproductive to use with a drug that doesn't aromatize -- that includes Primmo, Winnee, E..Q. Anavarr and Proviron.

Also... DECCA SIDES ARE NOT ESTROGEN RELATED! You'd think after 20 years of repeating this it'd get through.

And one more thing. I know anti prolactins are all the rage but they are not safe and it's irresponsible to recommened them to somebody when you don;t even know if that's their problem. Besides, plain old ginsing is very good at combating prolactin.

We should all be a little more cautious and at least preface some suggestions with "MAYBE..."

That's it for now. I'm sure I'll think of more.


Can we make this a sticky!!!! Seriously great post!
 
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