Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Has anyone done a big cycle, gotten HUGE and then stayed big years after the cycles end? I dont know many juice heads but out of the ones I do know theres two in particular that stayed jacked years after their cycles. Both of them used Trenbolone, also one of them used a shitload of Test, EQ, and Arimidex during. But both of them stay big..... no matter what!!!! Even if they dont eat great they just lose bodyfat.... Muscle memory? Did they change their genetics? I am very interested to know...
Stay Jacked After Cycles
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well, after my first cycle I got to 248 after pct.
4+ years later I am at 250. Probably a little more fat, but still pretty close. I was away from the gym for a good year, year and a half. Muscle memory def helps.
My diet hasn't been the best either because I havn't worked much since last novemeber (just part time now) and I can't collect unemployment for some reason??? I have to move out of my apt soon cuz i can;t afford it, lol. So everyonce in a while I have to find change to go to wendy's or mcd's.
I feel if you have consistant training and diet, you should be able to retain most of your gains. Can't wait for my next cycle!
4+ years later I am at 250. Probably a little more fat, but still pretty close. I was away from the gym for a good year, year and a half. Muscle memory def helps.
My diet hasn't been the best either because I havn't worked much since last novemeber (just part time now) and I can't collect unemployment for some reason??? I have to move out of my apt soon cuz i can;t afford it, lol. So everyonce in a while I have to find change to go to wendy's or mcd's.
I feel if you have consistant training and diet, you should be able to retain most of your gains. Can't wait for my next cycle!
wolfman87
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if you keep your calorie intake at the right level and train as hard as you would while on cycle then you're not gonna lose a whole lot besides water weight. it seems like most of the younger guys in my gym (i'm young myself, but i'm not stupid 
) only workout when they are on something like steroids, prohormones, creatine/NO2, etc... and then you don't ever see them between these times 
it just takes more mental determination and A LOT more heart to keep it up through the "lows" of not being on anything.
personally i feel like if i go longer than 2 days without the gym i get anxious or feel like i'm missing something. idk it just makes me feel good.
) only workout when they are on something like steroids, prohormones, creatine/NO2, etc... and then you don't ever see them between these times it just takes more mental determination and A LOT more heart to keep it up through the "lows" of not being on anything. personally i feel like if i go longer than 2 days without the gym i get anxious or feel like i'm missing something. idk it just makes me feel good.
aquatic_glories
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Even if I didnt eat enough and lost visible mass after a cycle , I regained them naturally with much lower protein intake. It took a while but yes it did happen.
I remember creating a thread about this. You just have to dig it.
I remember creating a thread about this. You just have to dig it.
sonicwaste
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I think there is a conception that muscle gained from AAS is somehow different than muscle gained by natural means. I've seen many people say this time and time again, and honestly I don't get it... Doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Muscle is muscle is muscle is muscle is muscle...
However there are a few side notes, foot notes, asterisks...
-If you hold water on cycle, you are going to lose the water after the cycle. Water definitely gives you the appearance of being bigger. Not my idea of a good appearance, however... This, in my opinion, accounts for a large amount of the Post Cycle Size loss.
-The faster you get your body back to homeostasis after your cycle the less likely you are to lose LBM. If you allow catabolism to set in at any point, you are going to lose LBM... Regardless if you have done AAS or not.
-If you continue to train hard and eat properly you will maintain your LBM. Let's be for real. The more muscle mass/LBM you have the harder it is to maintain. It's harder to maintain because your body becomes use to being fueled properly and trained hard.
Countless times have I seen people throw proper dieting and training principles out the door when they are in maintenance mode. If you want to maintain you still have to do the following: eat at least at your TDEE, not BMR. If your TDEE stipulates that you need 3500 calories, then you best eat 3500 calories. Keep your preworkout and postworkout nutrition as if you were on cycle. Get a constant flow of protein throughout the day. If you ate 350g of protein per day on cycle, eat 350g+ while you are maintaining. Keep the diet going.
Being healthy, muscular, big... Is a life long choice... You either stick with it or you don't. If you don't kiss it goodbye.
For instance, take me for an example. I took 6-7 years off from the gym completely. Threw my diet and health out the window. From the time I was 16 to 22-23 I kept in the gym consistently. Yeah I started juicing young, 18 years old... Didn't know any better... But I was constantly training hard, constantly eating properly. I trained just as hard off cycle as I did on cycle and I maintained my mass without any issues.
So, like I said I stopped AAS and soon after I stopped working out in order to pursue my music career. 6 years on the road pretty much tore me to shreds. It was not pretty. The state of my body and health was actually quite bad. I was consistently run down, pummeled, sleep deprived, and the list goes on. There's a point to this story.
After the damaged levied to my body from life on the road... Not to mention the stress and all things that come with that lifestyle. I pretty much made a decision to leave that behind and start fresh... Get back in shape. Move my life forward.
Anyways after 6+ years not working out. I definitely lost some LBM and gained some fat. But I didn't shrivel to nothing. I still had size and strength... But as soon as I came back to the gym my body snapped back into the groove for the most part. There were challenges, especially on the fat burning front... Fat has taken longer than anticipated to leave, but I'm down in the neighborhood of 9% body fat. Much of my mass has come back. January 1 of this year is when I got back in to the gym full time. I'm in the best shape of my life now and I am feeling damn great. So over the span of 8 months or so, some natural time and some AAS time... I've made a total body recomp... Size came back much faster than the fat left.
Moral of my little story is even though I lost some lBM and gained some fat in my time away from the gym... I didn't lose anywhere near all the muscle I gained over my original AAS use. And most of it has come back fairly quickly.
Second moral of the story is train hard and eat right regardless of whether or not you are on cycle.
Third moral of the story is music is not a good career
Fourth moral of the story is, don't ever let yourself get out of shape once you are in good shape... Not worth it... It is however worth eating properly year round in order to avoid the frustration of heavy cutting.
However there are a few side notes, foot notes, asterisks...
-If you hold water on cycle, you are going to lose the water after the cycle. Water definitely gives you the appearance of being bigger. Not my idea of a good appearance, however... This, in my opinion, accounts for a large amount of the Post Cycle Size loss.
-The faster you get your body back to homeostasis after your cycle the less likely you are to lose LBM. If you allow catabolism to set in at any point, you are going to lose LBM... Regardless if you have done AAS or not.
-If you continue to train hard and eat properly you will maintain your LBM. Let's be for real. The more muscle mass/LBM you have the harder it is to maintain. It's harder to maintain because your body becomes use to being fueled properly and trained hard.
Countless times have I seen people throw proper dieting and training principles out the door when they are in maintenance mode. If you want to maintain you still have to do the following: eat at least at your TDEE, not BMR. If your TDEE stipulates that you need 3500 calories, then you best eat 3500 calories. Keep your preworkout and postworkout nutrition as if you were on cycle. Get a constant flow of protein throughout the day. If you ate 350g of protein per day on cycle, eat 350g+ while you are maintaining. Keep the diet going.
Being healthy, muscular, big... Is a life long choice... You either stick with it or you don't. If you don't kiss it goodbye.
For instance, take me for an example. I took 6-7 years off from the gym completely. Threw my diet and health out the window. From the time I was 16 to 22-23 I kept in the gym consistently. Yeah I started juicing young, 18 years old... Didn't know any better... But I was constantly training hard, constantly eating properly. I trained just as hard off cycle as I did on cycle and I maintained my mass without any issues.
So, like I said I stopped AAS and soon after I stopped working out in order to pursue my music career. 6 years on the road pretty much tore me to shreds. It was not pretty. The state of my body and health was actually quite bad. I was consistently run down, pummeled, sleep deprived, and the list goes on. There's a point to this story.
After the damaged levied to my body from life on the road... Not to mention the stress and all things that come with that lifestyle. I pretty much made a decision to leave that behind and start fresh... Get back in shape. Move my life forward.
Anyways after 6+ years not working out. I definitely lost some LBM and gained some fat. But I didn't shrivel to nothing. I still had size and strength... But as soon as I came back to the gym my body snapped back into the groove for the most part. There were challenges, especially on the fat burning front... Fat has taken longer than anticipated to leave, but I'm down in the neighborhood of 9% body fat. Much of my mass has come back. January 1 of this year is when I got back in to the gym full time. I'm in the best shape of my life now and I am feeling damn great. So over the span of 8 months or so, some natural time and some AAS time... I've made a total body recomp... Size came back much faster than the fat left.
Moral of my little story is even though I lost some lBM and gained some fat in my time away from the gym... I didn't lose anywhere near all the muscle I gained over my original AAS use. And most of it has come back fairly quickly.
Second moral of the story is train hard and eat right regardless of whether or not you are on cycle.
Third moral of the story is music is not a good career
Fourth moral of the story is, don't ever let yourself get out of shape once you are in good shape... Not worth it... It is however worth eating properly year round in order to avoid the frustration of heavy cutting.
REFORMATA
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+1 I'm the same way.
The way I've found to best keep my gains is to keep my cals high thru pct...MAKE myself eat 3000 cals a day.
Also, I keep lifting HEAVY.
This way, my lifts stay close to what they became on cycle.
I just cannot work out as long, or as intensly, or as frequently until my natty gets back up again.
For me, keeping my strength is really all I care about. Size/weight=bleh, whatever.
That ish just comes with the territory I suppose.
The way I've found to best keep my gains is to keep my cals high thru pct...MAKE myself eat 3000 cals a day.
Also, I keep lifting HEAVY.
This way, my lifts stay close to what they became on cycle.
I just cannot work out as long, or as intensly, or as frequently until my natty gets back up again.
For me, keeping my strength is really all I care about. Size/weight=bleh, whatever.
That ish just comes with the territory I suppose.
if you keep your calorie intake at the right level and train as hard as you would while on cycle then you're not gonna lose a whole lot besides water weight. it seems like most of the younger guys in my gym (i'm young myself, but i'm not stupid
personally i feel like if i go longer than 2 days without the gym i get anxious or feel like i'm missing something. idk it just makes me feel good.
perryscoon
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Can you stay big, veiny, and ripped off cycle? no Absolutely, not. Can you keep a "big" frame? yes, if you still eat a lot and take sups, keep training, etc.
sonicwaste
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Sure you can stay big, veiny, and ripped.
not compared to someone who is on. no way. the look is completely different. can you look great without aas. DEFINATELY. can you look as good as when on aas. NO WAY.
Fatboy1984
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wouldnt you lose your gains faster if you were somone with low test. I mean wouldnt somone with 250 natural test have a harder time keeping the pounds on than somone with 6-700?
Isnt there alot of factors that come into play in order to keep your muscle on after a cycle? im sure some people are just lucky and have better genetics to keep the muscle they gained on cycle. And some of us less fortunate people have to work harder and eat more and take supps to maintain.
Isnt there alot of factors that come into play in order to keep your muscle on after a cycle? im sure some people are just lucky and have better genetics to keep the muscle they gained on cycle. And some of us less fortunate people have to work harder and eat more and take supps to maintain.
