So you wanna get controversial? lets do it intelligently.

[spongebob]

So what I'm seeing is this:

(I'm assuming these are being argued isometric:
*blacks are superior to whites in sports*
*blacks are dominant in sports over whites*)

*blacks are dominant in sports over whites*
*blacks are not dominant over whites in hocky, soccer, baseball, etc.*
*hocky, soccer, baseball, etc. are sports*

Therefore, assuming the latter two premises valid, we can infer the following conclusions:

1) The first premise, *blacks are dominant in sports over whites*, is incorrect, also meaning, equivilantly, *blacks are not dominant in sports over whites*,

or

2) Alter the first premist of the argument to something along the lines of
*blacks are dominant in some sports over whites*
*blacks are dominant in many sports over whites*
*blacks are largely dominant in sports over whites*

and try to infer something that doesn't matter, since it's being assumed that the first premise is correct.

And being that we're arguing something as grandiloquent as genetic superiority, any alteration of the first premise would only be begging the question.


XOXO

HTH

well were gonna have to alter something.

your analysis should only include sports that blacks participate in equally.

you need to illiminate hocky, soccer, maybe even baseball and also etc. im taking etc means bowling right?

 

[samoth]

That I completely understand. Yes, the U.S. is an international community. How come people fail to understand this?

Judging by the science and engineering programs, graduate programs and multi-wing 13-story grad housing unit I live in, I was under the impression that we were an asian community.

I've found it's somewhat awkward to butt into a conversation friendly-like when everyone's always talking some other language. Eh, it's a toss up. The general behavior and demeanor exhibitied by asians I'm quite fond of, rather than the prude assholish behavior of glutton americans.



Man, this thread's going in twenty different directions. And I completely skipped over the jew part, as I didn't think the jews were a race, and didn't see how religion fit into the thread topic. FYI, Richard Feynman was jewish and born into a jewish family... although he never held the beliefs at all, he was still "jewish". This was back in the 1930's/40's. He was only allowed to join one of the two jewish fraternities on campus (MIT), because no other fraternity would have anything to do with a jew. BUT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN IT AT ALL! Or practice, or go to jewish church or whatever, NOTHING. But he was still branded? I'm not a history buff, and I'm sure there's reasons for all that stuff back then, but it's still amazing to think. Today he coulda sued the frats and school and been a billionare.

 

[BrothaBill]

Damn Golden, you're the only one in 100 posts who has chosen to look at the original question and not just try to bash ''generalizations.''

Bravo and well stated.

You and redguru are the only two people who have chosen to adress hammy's questions and not just ignore them, citing intellectual superiority.

Yes, so you are saying that generalizations shouldnt be bashed?? That judging ethnic groups and assigning general traits is a good thing? The question is MOOT! As Jesse Jackson would say on SNL.
Look, try being a cognitive researcher, its far too easy to logical rip apart corrupt mindless generalizations when you study the most indepth of the cognitive pathways. Generalizations are for the weak and uneducated

 

[nycgirl]

lol, or sip coffee in a south american cafe and talk about a communist revolution ala, I forget her name lol
No, you should leave, I am going to move as well here in short order as soon as I can arrange it professionally with licensing.
The world is an oyster my dear and you are a pearl! Go out and live, its stagnant here, expose yourself to a whole new way of thinking, country and history. Leave these innane arguments and conversations behind, they are just a function of the US. You dont go to another country and hear them argue that slavery is why black athletes are so great. Theyd cringe at that type of moronicism. Think about, a whole new way of thinking, popular b/c you are something new and exciting and believe it or not. As much as the world likes to put down the US, they are deep down envious and ever curious to it. You'll be a superstar, now get out of my country darkie lolol, jk!!!
Im with you, we'll have tea in China someday

Someday.

 

[samoth]

well were gonna have to alter something.

your analysis should only include sports that blacks participate in equally.

you need to illiminate hocky, soccer, maybe even baseball and also etc. im taking etc means bowling right?

I already addressed altering the first premise of the argument.

... Therefore, assuming the latter two premises valid, we can infer the following conclusions:

1) The first premise, *blacks are dominant in sports over whites*, is incorrect, also meaning, equivilantly, *blacks are not dominant in sports over whites*,

or

2) Alter the first premist of the argument to something along the lines of
*blacks are dominant in some sports over whites*
*blacks are dominant in many sports over whites*
*blacks are largely dominant in sports over whites*


and try to infer something that doesn't matter, since it's being assumed that the first premise is correct.

And being that we're arguing something as grandiloquent as genetic superiority, any alteration of the first premise would only be begging the question.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Yes, so you are saying that generalizations shouldnt be bashed?? That judging ethnic groups and assigning general traits is a good thing? The question is MOOT! As Jesse Jackson would say on SNL.
Look, try being a cognitive researcher, its far too easy to logical rip apart corrupt mindless generalizations when you study the most indepth of the cognitive pathways. Generalizations are for the weak and uneducated

I wasn't saying I'm in favor of generalizing everything. I was expressing disgust at the individuals who have not even attemped to address the original statement but headed off on tangents without adding to the argument. It seems similar to not arguing about a political issue with someone because you dont like their wording. It's the ''not attempting'' to understand where someone is coming from that seems a bit hypocritical when discussing ways of transcending the ethnic/gender/color barriers which we have all been bound by at some point.

 

[samoth]

you could focus on other angles as well - socioeconomics being important. to generalise (just to make a point, everyone get a grain of salt out please), wealthier parents generally push their children into study more than athletics, effectively hamstringing their children from an athletic viewpoint by diverting their time/interest. we could (if we wanted to) assert that black people a generation ago (whose children are only now coming to athletic fruition) were more likely to fall within a poorer socioeconomic class and thereby have this athletic advantage. then, coupled with americas taste in the sports in which these athletes are likely to excel, we have a situation in which our present "black sports domination" stereotype can come to light.

Aaaaaannnndd we have a winner, thanks to everyone else for playing.

TITCR

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Aaaaaannnndd we have a winner, thanks to everyone else for playing.

TITCR

Fuck you samote!

 

[hamstershaver]

after reading all these enlightening posts ive come to the conclusion that all of you are correct
the fact that the best sprinters in the world are black is because of their socioeconomic upbringing, whites were told at an early age to study and go to school and not to partake in silly sports such as sprinting
this also holds true in basketball where 90% of the nba is black, in reality its not that the blacks are better athletes and better bball players, its that the american culture wants to see black athletes compete in these sports not whites, the owners dont care if the best athletes (the whites) are not on the floor, they are there to appease the tastes of their fans who want to see blacks play hoops
football is another example where blacks make up at least 90% of the skilled positions such as rb and wr, but once again whites were told early on not to play with those black players or they may get hurt, instead study hard and become a doctor so that you can be rich and marry a nice white woman
when it comes to hockey there was a secret agreement between the black panthers and the kkk to let the whites play hockey since blacks dont like the cold, the fact that whites dominate hockey because blacks just dont play the sport has no bearing on this argument
in conclusion it has been decided beyond a shadow of a doubt that blacks arent better athletes when it comes to the best of the best, the statistics that show that the overwhelming majority of athletes in skilled sports are black is really just a smoke cloud, but instead blacks have been given a way out of the getto as compensation by the white man for having slaves a few hundred years ago

 

[samoth]

The quick growth and number of posts on threads with the word "intelligence" in them shows just how TTT everyone here is.

Especially engineering majors and juicypigentrails.