So about this cardiobreeze stuff....

[Ulter]

I can't explain the A02 killing cardio, it usually has a positive affect. Although it's formulated for lifting.

Yes you can get the same energy from CB as Thermorexin.

It's the same duration as Thermorexin. The biggest difference is in the appetite surpression. It's higher in Thermorexin.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Yes you can get the same energy from CB as Thermorexin.

It's the same duration as Thermorexin. The biggest difference is in the appetite surpression. It's higher in Thermorexin.

agree, though the yohimbine and synephrine in thermorexin may give a stronger short term CNS stimulus (varies). (when it comes to cardio performance, duration and energy they are very comparable)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[big e 75]

this is just incorrect. Repeating it, just gives credence to the false claims behind the banning of ephedrine/ephedra (which was overturned because the FDA was unable to provide ANY evidence to back up their actions).

Not exactly. The ban was temporarily lifted but will be back in place soon. The court temp lifted the injunction and put the burden of a perm lift on the makers of EPH to come forward to "prove" that their product was safe. Needless to say, none of the manufacturers have come forward. Notice that no companies have started making the stuff again...trust me, without disclosing my profession, I know what I am talking about. As for the FDA ban, it was most certainly due to a few "unexplained" deaths in young males due to unexplained cardiac arrest. Unfortunatly for everyone, the FDA is driven by public policy especially when it comes to so-called herbal remedies. They just don't know what to do with them. If you remember (don't know how old you are), a product called Hot Stuff was banned a few years back for the same reason. The problem with people is that they think if one works, ten works much better...more is not better. The ban on Hot Stuff and EPH was mostly due to the unexplained deaths and the media attention that came from it. Now that Baseball has managed to get the full attention of the media, AAS are next...it sucks but it's true.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Notice that no companies have started making the stuff again...

this is also not accurate, a number of companies have started making ephedra based products. Though many of the larger ones have not because of insurance issues (and the potential that it could go the other way again).

having actually read the ruling the finding was that the FDA had the burden of proof, which was not met, with respect to the 10mg dosage spec.

Hot stuff was not banned it was pulled temporarily because it was spiked with dianabol.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[stimilus]

Awesome shit!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen

 

[macrophage69alpha]

updates?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

huh do you guys think this would help with wrestling...where it is short burst of energy...followed by a little rest then more short bursts.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

huh do you guys think this would help with wrestling...where it is short burst of energy...followed by a little rest then more short bursts.

yes. a lot of guys use it for MMA (which is mostly grappling).